PAINESVILLE CITY BOARD OF EDUCATION
I guess I owe them an apology for as one person stated the "Rumor" that they would be asking for a Levy this fall. The board stated they had NO intention of asking for one. After listening to the Amdinistrations Treasurer express the financial conditions they were facing I really did not think it was a stretch to come to that conclusion."Sorry". I only hope that sometime in December they don't realize they need one and we end up paying around $9,000 for a special election in February.
They also should be congratulated for reinstating "The Pledge Of Allegiance" at Harvey THANK-YOU
posted by terminator1 @ 7:54 PM
37 Comments
37 Comments:
You owe them an apology for the RPCarbone statement also. They did everything above board. The new schools are beautiful.
Well Term, you earned a bit of respect. For once there was an accusation portrayed on this board and when it was found to be untrue there was a retraction. I congratulate you. This is a big step in turning this site into a place where people can truly find out about the local community in a manner in which they can become better informed about the reality of our community. I do still see a bit of skepticism on your part by saying it would be awful if they tried to pass a levy to raise our taxes and then when they don't then they aren't exercising good judgment because they may need to in the future. Still it is only skepticism which is ok and can even be good to keep the local governments in check. Just hope this post equalizes the damage done by the initial accusation. I hope this is a continuing trend toward a portrayal of reality and not assumptions of wrongdoing. Excellent post, sir. Even ending on a postive compliment to the board.
I would like to say that I agree with the above poster. Well said. I would also like to say that a positive angle to this board would get more done in the long run. The people in City Hall would be more receptive to good discussion and ideas to improve an existing problem, rather than being scolded. How well do we take criticism anyways and do we change when told we are wrong, not usually. Congrats TERM this is a positive step in the right direction.
The Pledge is a wonderful thing and should be back, I agree, smart move, a little pride goes a long way. My friend and I drove by the schools and commented at how nice they were. I believe that in the long run, the nicer schools, housing and some business will bring this City to the front of things. If we all help out a bit, this could be the start of a big thing. I had every intention of starting my own blog through this site called "Positively Painesville", but, it seems that this one might turn the negative corner onto positive lane. If so, no need for another blog cluttering up the internet. I will be glad to come here and discuss this City with all of you folks. Heck I know half of you already. JT
People in public positions or offices should be open to other points of view. As stated above, the tax levy is something that needs to be discussed in depth. The Pledge of Allegiance was a good example of listening to someone else's point of view and making a positive decision. Everyone has a right to complain or disagree. If you want to exercise that right, then you must also give credit where credit is due. The Pledge is one of those that deserve credit.
The problem is no matter what, Term. can't let it go,
he is the one that started the the crap about the so called tax levy, it was in his own mind, I would have belived him, if he had not put the remark in there "I hope they don't"
You are absolutely right, I agree that they should be open to other points of view. i guess my take on things is that if someone comes at me with an idea in a FRIENDLY manner I am more willing to listen to them and hear what they are saying. People are all alike, they do not like to be told what to do. If the ideas that were present here were put forward in a different style maybe others would be more apt to listening and changing something. It is good to be a voice, but when my kids start to scream and whine and moan, I tune them out and wait until they act civil again.
Now something weird from me, I defend TERM...to a degree. He does care about his community, but as someone that has to deal with people all day, every day, my above comments come into effect here. He admits to making a mistake in jumping to the conclusion that there was going to be a levy and that is a start of change. Levy's have happened in his lifetime and I am sure that he saw the writing on the wall. Maybe better handled to write it like he suspected that it may happen and start discussion, but it is in the past now. Regardless of what happened I can agree with many of you here and lets pick one thing you want to change and try to make it happen, see what happens, I will be willing to help.
something I want to see change..........
a community to show up and vote in November......
that will be the first step to next year when we vote in new council members.
I told you that I would help and I will, I will be at the polls. See all, its not to hard to help.
I agree with jt. That is half of the solution. The elected officials and the administration also need to give a reasonable answer. Silence, rolling your eyes, or just saying my hands are tied makes it look like there is something you are trying to hide. Some people might even feel it is condescending. People will accept something like, let me look into that and I will get back to you. Then follow through on the answer.
IT'S ABOUT COMMUNICATION PEOPLE.
I just had a conversation with someone I love and respect about what to do to diffuse a situation when there is tension, yelling and arm waving.......... I said Please imprint this on your brain as it will get you out of many many "situations".......
Take a breath and say.........
"I know you are upset what can I do to make it better?"
I got call this morning............ MOM it worked......
try it, you'll like it.
MP
Term, and alot of others has seen enough of what goes on around here to know all the negative news from the school board finances were not done by accident, a special election in the middle of winter would have alot fewer ballots than one in November in a Presidental election year. Remember the Charter change in August of 2006?
Mary Poppins
I am surprised by how much negativity some of our residents have towards our school system. My children went through this system and as I follow them and their friends through life and what they are accomplishing I have to say they came out of this school system well equiped to handle whatever this world throws at them.
Sure, we have a certain percentage of drop outs, troubled kids, etc.,...but, we are the county seat and we get all the troubled families needing government assistance because of that. All across this country county seat cities that have the assistance program headquarters have the same problems.
The one thing I can be sure of that I gave my children by having them in Harvey instead of a 99% white suburban schoole was that they learned to judge people by who they were, not by race, ethnic, or handicap. In todays world that's a pretty powerful tool that we are giving our children!
Now if we could just get some of the adults in this city to learn the same thing.
BATMAN
Godzuks Batman
Our family is like yours.
Thanks for telling it like it is, the truth.
The board has chimed in, now go back and check your records on not how many Harvey Grads,go to college,but Graduate from one. The percentage is dismal. 40% of the elementary students do not speak English when they start school here, I wouldn't send a child here to learn what? We will slow you down so maybe some can catch up? Thank God for open enrollment. Your own superintendent will not send his chidren here,WHY?
KAREN
Karen, everyone knows you hate everything about this city, and most likely your life also therefore your opinion no longer carries much weight , at least with me.
Have you ever considered counseling?
BATMAN
Language will get a comment removed. Yes Karen has one and so does everyone else.
TERM>>
You got that wrong term, Karen is one and everyone else has one.
“all the negative news from the school board finances were not done by accident” Regardless of whether it was an accident, was it the truth? Because as long as they aren’t lying to me I will consider what they have to say when determining whether to vote for anything. I refuse to be close minded. There is an assumption here that they are doing something devious to bring up a levy. The negative assumptions on this blog perturb me.
Being bilingual is one of the greatest assets in the job market these days. Our kids should be begging for that exposure. I know I wish I was bilingual. Karen you discredited yourself with me long long ago, and I don’t even know the superintendent that well, but does he even live in the city? Maybe his kids developed friendships with kids and relationships with teachers at their old school. I know I would not want to be ripped away from my friends because dad got a job somewhere else even if the other school was better.
Maybe its not so much Term but some of the posters that turn this blog so negative.
I can tell you that I am with you about the negative reactions. By the way, I tried the Pizza Burger at The Pizza Parlor today, WOW, fantastic. Thanks for the hint TERM! Told you that I would follow through on my attempts to prove that listening to people in a friendly manner could make a positive change. I listened to you because it was a friendly comment. And now I have tried a very good food product made here in the City. If someone was being bossy and telling me that it was the best and I don't know what I am talking about any other burger, I would not have tried it at all, and who else would have. Is this the story or the lesson??? My guess is that it is the lesson.
Term. opened up the food ideal, someone else gave you there report on the Pizza Burger.
Glad you liked it, now you should try there meatballs.
They also should be congratulated for reinstating "The Pledge Of Allegiance" at Harvey THANK-YOU>>
Question: Will the "The Pledge Of Allegiance" at Harvey, contain the words "under God"? If so, then, I would say the pledge is a form of brainwashing!
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csper, This might be a bad time to take God out of anything,but you can be silent for those two words,Its your life. Boy, and they say I start stuff.
Please Bloggers remember
This is "Whats Happening Painesville"
NOT
"Whats Happening Jerusalem"
csper behave!
Term, check this site out. It seems were not the only ones with an educational problem
http://remove-our-pastor.blogspot.com/
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August 15, 2008 1:54 PM
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Goodbye, I don't believe in cencorship, either!
Whats going to happen if the Hispanic children refuse to do the Pledge? Why force children to do something an old American wants done. I will inform my children to ignore the request, and yes I am a citizen and my children were all born here.
Selma
They will have to stand during the pledge, they do not have to say the pledge, but they must stand and respect the flag and the United States of America.
Selma, no one will be forced to say the Pledge. A moment of silence is not to much to ask. It's just common courtesy, just as observing Martin Luther King Day, Memorial Day, Veterans Day, Presidents Day. We also have Mother's Day, Father's Day, Grandparent's Day and Valentine's Day. There are Saint Patrick's Day parades just as there are Cinco de Mayo celebrations.
This is what being an American is all about. Why people came here in the first place. The Pledge is part of America just like baseball and apple pie.
You can choose to be an American and enjoy all of the above and more or you can just live in your own little world and complain about being asked to show a little respect for about a minute. Unless you can respect others, don't expect any respect from me.
As long as someone brought up "under God"
It is suppose to be
"One nation under God"
not
"One nation. Under God" or "One nation, under God"
It also doesn't say "One nation under the one true God". It also doesn't mention any certain religion either. God can take many forms and is in all religions. He can be called many names. This country was formed in part to offer freedom of religion or lack of religion if you so choose. I can respect your right not to recite the Pledge or as said above, not to say "under God" if you choose, but respect my right to recite it and have at least a moment of silence while doing so. It's only once a week for about a minute. Maybe it's time we all stop and think about what the Pledge is really saying.
That our Flag stands for Freedom.
when when when do we start to teach our kids tolerance and what hope does a culture have with when parents teach there kids intolerance.
I am a firm believer of not mixing church and state or school and church..... period. My kids stayed for MLK day at Harvey year after year....... and then the Prayer Warriors were invited in for MLK day. MLK Day is not about praying or God even though MLK was a Rev'd. My kids got the tolerance lesson from the time they were little. I carted them to the Jewish Temple, the Buddist Temple, Medicine Wheels, Quaker Churches, Catholic Churches, Latter Day Saints, Methodists and Baptist Churches, on and on.......... Yup even made a VooDoo ceremony in New Orleans. The lesson....... everybody believes different and mankind gets caught up in the dogma of it all and BOOM you get a war or maybe a little ethnic cleansing.
I cringe when we pray at the soup kitchens. Believe me if you are hungry you will pray to a golden baboon if somebody is going to give you something for your empty belly. But for Pete Sake bow you head and be thankful for the food on your plate.
Once my kids got out of this country and saw third world countries or were stranded in some tiny little country with no english speaking inhabitants the American Embassy is a like seeing a piece of Heaven. I know because my kid who was embarrassed to be be from America when she left called home last year in tears saying I get it! America is GREAT and WONDERFUL and when I get home I am getting a flag tatoo-ed on my other ankle.
Selma........ please take you kids to Mexico for a couple years and maybe they will come back to America and teach you the Pledge of Allegiance.
MP.
MP, that is the best post I have ever read on this blog or the old one.
Some people in this country are so spoiled I just want to grab them and slap them silly to make them wake up and see the reality of how people in other countries are forced to live. We have to continue every day the struggle to make sure America remains America and we don't let some of these idiot do-gooder politicians ruin it.
One of my children lived in Europe and spent time in many countries, the reaction was the same, USA may not be perfect but it is something we should all be proud of.
BATMAN
Now that this topic has come up maybe we should know how much Adminstrators and Dept. Heads and their Asst. make.
Ask for salaries from 2005 and what the same position make in 2008. I really dont want names just positions. Would the City be obligated to let us know? Arlene, Hal, Andy Joe,Paul, Bob, Abbey, let us know.
It is all public record, you can find it on line.
Or you can go to city hall and ask for it.
Where have you been ?
It is all public record, you can find it on line.
Or you can go to city hall and ask for it.
Where have you been ?
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Link?
watch oot for a special LEVY ELECTION. after the nov election. SCHOOL'S LOOK FOR LOW VOTER TURNOUT WHICH PASSES LEVIES. keep alert painesville resident's taxes will be going up... KEEP TUNED TO THE BLOG... school watch/dog...
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