DIVERSE KUTS
First Annual Children's Appreciation Day
Monday August 25th 9:00a.m.-4:00p.m.
Free Haircuts for kids ages 5-12
Free School Supplies
Free Food & Balloons
Free Children Finger-Printing 12:00p.m.-4:00p.m. Courtesy of:Rupert Agency
Tour a real Painesville Fire Dept. Fire Truck at 1:00p.m. {A week can't go by without a Fire Truck on this site.]
Special Apperiance By "LAKIA" Painesville Police K-9 Dog.
Thanks to all the Local Businesses, who made this possible. " SHOP LOCAL!!"
Especially Floyd at Diverse Cuts. Been getting a great cut there since November.
See you all on Main St.
jt. Something tells me your not going to like a few of the next couple posts. coming in the next few days. TERM's>> "Contrition" is over.
posted by terminator1 @ 1:19 PM
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80 Comments:
Term. man it sounded so good, until you put that crap remark about the Fire Truck in there.
crap remark. man some of you just want to complain. Fprget him Term he just dont get it. thanks for the info
TERM, don't misunderstand my dislkie for nasty and rude behavior for good informative banter. I have no problem with the type of blog you run here, just the way in which people react and "think" that they will accomplish something if they are mean and nasty. There will always be a place for informing people and letting them know where you stand, but, when it gets confrontational, I bow out. I am not afraid of confrontation, I just know it gets you nowhere. To be perfectly honest with you I bet 3/4 of the people that posted here and were nasty, may not identify themselves by screen name if found in a big room with the other bloggers here out of sheer embarasment.
Anyway, where is the apprecieation day located, maybe I missed it in the opening.
Sorry, just re-read it and saw "see you on Main St.", guess that pretty much says it, geeez, losing my faculties here.
I would like to welcome Painesville's new female firefighter. I think she might be the first one.
Welcome to Painesville. I wish I could remember you name now. Maybe someone can post it here.
Read the paper (Tribuine) nice story about the new female Firefighter, and I agree with the first post there was no reason to add anything about the fire truck.
I promised myself I would not mention anything about a Fire Truck on the Blog. at least until the new one arrivied or E2333 was sold . The story about Diverse Kuts mentioned a Fire Truck and I just was thinking out loud.
A few of you get really upset about little things. I can't wait to see what I start without even trying. Hope you don't cancel your subscribtion.
TERM>>
Term. Read your own lips "the little things"
Your the one upset? what the point?This City spends money like theres no end to funds? Thats his point the lowest income in Lake County, and we act like were Gates Mills.
Wait until the Hospital leaves who will pay off the "NOTES"
Mary Poppins
"This City spends money like theres no end to funds?" Where did that come from? This city runs a balanced budget every year, in fact they get awards for how accurate and above board the budgeting practices are.
When I constantly read in the papers about all the cities and school systems in NE Ohio that are in money crunches I am very thankful that we have an Administration and School board that actually knows how to operate within their means.
BATMAN
They get awards for stateing where the money is spent, not how it is spent. The key word is "NOTES". notes means loans, and we keep rolling them over. Argonne Dr. resurfacing done over 2 years isnt payed off yet. What they do is payoff one credit card with another.
Its like a drunk being audited and showing he spends 70% on booze, 20 % on smokes and the rest he uses to pay family bills. He comes out with a clean audit. You people are going to learn the hard way I gues. Like the 6 million dollars they blew away in the 90's.
Mary Poppins
Mary Poppins is living in the clouds, this is how you get things done, you have to run a city like a business, thank god they do a great job running this city I would hate to see how it would look if they ran it like Mary P. would want them to.
Look around do you really think things are being done properly? The city seems to be run for the bettermet of the people at the top, no way anyone can justify the salary of the city manager and her assistant receive period. Now I find out she even gets an annual annuity, we already pay into PRS retirement why this is done you wonder she doesnt pay city income tax on an annuity. You people are goinging to wakeup broke one day because of these practices.Why did they hid it? I'll leave room for you in the clouds after she runs it like some business into the ground. She is the Ken Lay of City Government.
7 councilmen =app. $43,000
Manager and sidekick= app.$215,000
Mary Poppins
Apples to Oranges
Please add Mary Poppins to the list.
What is Mary Poppins talking about what 6 Million Dollars? Did the city really lose that much money ?How? Who? or is Mary Poppins taking Mr. Rellik place
KAREN
You can for sure add Mary Poppins to the list of people who don't have a clue.
Make a list of the duties and responsibilities handled by "Manager and sidekick" and take that list out into the private business world and see how much those skills would cost you. I think they are fairly paid.
My take is Mary Poppins has never been in a manager level type position and thinks it is something simple to perform.
Why bring up the 6 million?, your posts are like Terms', you put crap in there that has nothing to do with todays reality just to stir up trouble. The 6 million was a bad investment loss 15-20 years ago when Lester Nero was city manager, why and what would possess you to compare todays administration to that?
The next question for you is why you believe it is all the city managers fault? Do you realize things like the argonne repaving is all voted on by council? If you think that was a wrong decision why aren't you hammering council?
BATMAN
BATMAN, The reason I bring up the 6 million dollars is alot of the same people are still in power here in town. Now last year the City Manager gave the Human Resourse Director Robert C Baetzel a pay increase of over $14,000 a year that council approved would you have approved that large an increase? Maybe you Did.
Mary Poppins
Lets play Batmans ideas out;
City Manager and Sidekick $215,000
CEO of a large business.
City Council [7] people $43,000
Board of Directors of a Corporation making less than minimum wage.
Theres your apples to oranges!
Council doesnt have a clue half the time whats going on because the Manager only gives them information she wants them to have.
The biggest mistake was bringing her back to town.
She only needs 4 votes to keep her job and thats her only concern.
Mary Poppins
Mary Poppins
thank god we only have 16 months left of this administration and then we can start to really do some good in this city.if you are going to clean house it's, like trimming s xmas tree, you start at the top.!!!!!!!!!!!!. after the election, you won't be seeing people getting $14'000 raises. ( you have 16 months to enjoy.) BUFORD
But, we all have to admit, the Painesville Party in the Park was a smashing success. I enjoyed it more then the Lake County Fair.
When I win my race for council I will not vote out Rita, so I don't know what Buford is talking about.
John
When I win my race for council I will not vote out Rita either.
BATMAN
How do you like them apples?
All kinds of people want to run
TERM>>
Let me understand this Mr. Fountain in his campaign literature claimed John Murphy wanted to raise Council's pay $14,000 yet he voted a $14,000 raise to a city employee? Please explain this to us.
TERM>>
Party In The Park is run by PCIC, not the City.
Term.
Full time city employee's raise was to bring it to were it needed to be.
Part, part time council person and you would not complain about them makeing $ 21,000 @ year. Mr. Fountain voted down a raise for himself also.
Please I work full time and just make that.
When I win my seat, I will not ask to change it.
John
6 Million may have been lost at one point but it was a long time ago. Some people are still in power but not the people responsible for losing it. There was some wrongdoing involved but it was not on the part of city officials except possible the finance director who IS gone. If you really want to talk about that money you should probably note that it was recovered by the city when they sued for it. Some people were willing to just lose it and let it go but others wanted to fight to get it back and they did. We should thank them. Bottom line: this is really in the past and it really shows you are low on ammunition when you reach for this one.
John and Batman - Are you two starting your campaigns? I am excited to hear about those who may be running, can't wait to get to the polls. You can maintain your anonymity for now if you would like but I would like to hear more. What do you want to do if elected.
"Let me understand this Mr. Fountain in his campaign literature claimed John Murphy wanted to raise Council's pay $14,000 yet he voted a $14,000 raise to a city employee? Please explain this to us.
TERM>>"
Raising 7 people's pay 14,000 = 98,000. Raising 1 person 14,000 = 14,000. Term please. You may be able to mislead some sheep but not the ones that can think for themselves. And as the other poster stated Fountain voted against a pay raise for council.
This topic started off wonderfully. I would love to return to the original topic. Please don't let the posters turn this into something it is not.
"jt. Something tells me your not going to like a few of the next couple posts. coming in the next few days." I have a feeling I will like it just as much as JT.
I myself am happy to see the police dog there. Have we always had our own dogs? Always a great PR tool and I here Lakia is real nice.
Anonymous said...
Party In The Park is run by PCIC, not the City.
August 18, 2008 5:51 AM
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I had a great time, regardless, there.
True, But the Human Resourse Director wasn't the only one who received a raise. Look into what the Law Department raises were.
Sorry I think the administration is overpayed when you have people making $75,000 a year to do a job private industry would pay alot less for doing the same jobs. The 6 million Dollars was recovered all of it ? how much of it really was recovered?
Running out of ammunition? Your kidding right? Its not ammunition its asking for responsibility. These raises were given after a "Must Have" Saftey Levy failed. Seems there must have been plenty of money.When the Hospital leaves we will hear about pay freezes. Some will have been well taken care of by then. But what about the guy who plows the snow in the winter, or the lady that sends out your utility bill?
TERM>>
I usually think Term is full of himself, but a $14,000 raise for one person.Thats like giving someone a $7.00 an hour raise. He bring up a good point we were told we didnt have money to pay our saftey forces. I think hes right about this one.
Again, TERM you need to do your homework before making statements.
$75,000 is not out of line for wages, from the State of Ohio employment statistics for 2006 for Lake County in the "Other Chemicals Production and Preparation" (this is a large employment sector in Lake County, that is why I chose it) the annual average wages in 2006 was $71,426.
I'm not so sure paying someone $75,000 in Lake County in 2008 is so out of line, maybe you should be looking for another job or some further education if you think $75,000 is such an astronomical figure.
BATMAN
No, what you should use is a comparison with other communities in Lake County. See what they pay there Human Resource Directors. I really think we over pay in Painesville and that means no disrespect to anyone. If you can make more money in Private Industry go ahead. I am going to leave that comment 2 posts up on the blog. It making someone happy. God Bless them.
It makes me happy too.
That post was going easy on you Term.
No, TERM/Anonymous if you want the salary compared to other cities then YOU should get the numbers from other cities and post them, as part of your statement. I have looked up the numbers I wanted to use and decided $75,000 is OK. If you actually go out and get the amounts from other cities I might believe you, but until you do your post is just another piece of BS stirring up trouble.
What does "Look into the law dept. raises mean"? Again, do you actually have numbers to back this up? If yes, post them, otherwise your just stirring up trouble with everyone who reads this and doesn't go look it up themselves.
Your "contrition" may be over but until you learn to do your homework I am going to challenge every post you make.
You love that feeling of power that the written word gives you to tear down other people so I have decided to also use the written word to show you what being on the other side is like. I am familiar with your kind and I will go head to head with total confidence that you will change your ways or quit!
BATMAN
What do we do if they are out of line? We already have paid the people.A $14,000 raise is excessive for that position or any position in the city. Be mad at the messinger but that will not change anything, how many of you even know whats going on? Batman you spend your money not mine. Your only mad because you have been found out. Cant wait to see Batman on my ballot.
I support batman on this one. Term you gave the impression the blog was going positive and then you throw out this crap. You had a chance to sway me there and you blew it. 14,000 may sound like alot but if their salary was too low by that much and it was only brought up to where it was supposed to be then by paying them too little we have been saving money and 14 doesn't hurt so bad.
I think readers can see you for what you are Term. I don't feel the need to tell them. They can figure it out for themselves.
"how many of you even know whats going on?" Seems like you guys only throw out bad questions and accuse council of wrongdoing where it doesn't exist. YOU don't know whats going on. I might even give you credit for asking questions but when you present in a manner in which you do I file you with the people who still think Obama is a muslim.
BATMAN, feel free to go head to head on every issue, but I am behind TERM on this one and you better have some facts yourself. You want a fight! Well bring it on!
You are asking him to bring it on but you are the one making factless accusations. Maybe you should bring something to the table first.
Batman,
I support you 100%
John
Term.
You had started a good thing here about the food in town, then you send in some rotted stuff to make it a bad thing.
You had me going there, to bad.
To the anonymous that says "bring it on";... I not only posted my facts, but where I got them, why I used what I did, and also what year they were from.
You say I better have some facts? Do you know how to read and comprehend what you are reading?
Well enjoy the Painesville Pride, sorry to see you go.
Mentor- Human Resource Director currently makes $70,000 a year
Eastlake- Payroll & controller combined $59,368
Willoughby- not utilized Dept. Heads handle H.R. function
Willowick-No Position Finance Dept. handles all .
Painesville Twp. No Position Ken Bodar Handles all H.R. Functions.
Willoughby again, Mayor, $85,000 no Asst.
Painesville City Manager $115,000 Asst. $84,500.
Painesville Asst. Was payed $52,000 a year in Conneaut. Left to come to Painesville $32,500 increase in salary. Its must be tough making end meet in Painesville. Now "Batman" give me some facts.
Also in closing Dept. Heads in all Painesville Departments must fill out a "Self Dealing policy" of Family dealing with the City, but not there employees.
TERM>>
Nice job TERM, you actually looked up facts!
So, Mentor at $70,000 with ~350 to 375 employees and Painesville at $75,000 with 321 employees. With the Painesville Electric/Water/Sewer ours probably deals with at least 3 more Unions than Mentor.
I would say that's pretty close, I might actually allow that we are overpaying ours by a few thousand but nothing more than that.
Not all cities employment numbers are available at this time of night but I would offer a guess that comparing Mentor and Painesville are comparing the two largest.
Continue to change your ways and blog true numbers and you can be credible with most of us!
BATMAN
You want to compare Mentor to Painesville? 60,000 people 17,000 people? income levels? Compare revenue? Services,Show me any Municipality that gave out $14,000 raises in 1 Year, Batman what about Willoughby, Ashtabula, Chardon. Show me a city Painesville's size paying administration cost equal to us. I have a feeling the posts in the next few days will have you clumbing the walls at the batcave. Hey are the stories about you and Robin true?
TERM>>
That going overboard ,I asked a question I never suggested anyone was gay, Believe me I know I'm not better than anyone. The question is why are you so upset? Oh Batman about the 3 extra unions, check at City Hall and you will find out we use an outside Law Firm to negotiate most union contracts.Please find out what an H.R. Director does as most towns do not us one,
TERM>>
Term, I take it you have no education in economics, sociology, etc.
We are not comparing population, we are comparing number of employees, unions, etc. that the HR person has to be held responsible for.
Yes, Mentor is larger population wise, but since Painesville owns and runs all our utilities (electric, water, sewer) we have almost as many employees. That fact is OK from a budgetary standpoint because those utilities provide a lower cost product to in city residents and businesses while covering the cost of themselves.
If you want to start playing in the economics ring you need to learn real quickly that you cannot just pull one fact out of an info sheet and treat it as a stand alone item. If we had a way to calculate just the savings on utilities the readers of this blog get in one year because we own our own electric the amount would probably be enough to pay that extra $14,000 that you are so worried about.
There is a certain group that posts on this blog that constantly complain about the quality of the city employees, yet at the same time you complain that we pay them too much. The first step in getting good employees is to make sure you can pay them on par with other businesses/cities that might want them as employees.
The complainers on this site have all the rights to complain, but you should decide to complain about money or employee quality, not both, because you can't have one without the other.
I can't wait for my campaign and have you and your group try these attack tactics in public, I will quickly nullify all your misled tactics and get your little whiner group to once think before you complain.
BATMAN
Batman, just a little advise, in your campaign tell people at the start you are in favor of $14,000 raises that way you can save alot of money on yard signs that you will not have to buy. I can't wait to watch this campaign. Oh, Good-Luck!
HR people manage employees not residents. Another example of you using distorted facts to ATTEMPT to prove a point. No need to try to mislead anyone.
"Hey are the stories about you and Robin true?
TERM>>
That going overboard ,I asked a question I never suggested anyone was gay"
Well if you say you never suggested anyone was gay then I guess I HAVE to take your word for it... So what stories are you referring to?
Readers can decide for themselves.
I also noticed that the post in between is gone entirely. Doesn't even say post deleted by administrator. Now we can't even see when you censor the board? What else have you deleted?
For the record-
- NOT batman OR robin
bat
BATMAN THE REASON THEY DONT HAMMER COUNCIL/PERSONS THEY KNOW THIER PAY IS 25.00 PER DAY NO RAISES SINCE 1995 HOW ABOUT THAT.... BUFORD
to mary poppins THE ANSWER TO BATMAN IDEAS were right on target ...THANKS BUFORD o
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THE RAISES FOR COUNCIL SHOULD BE RE-VIEWED. THEY NOW RECEIVE 25.00 a day NO CHANGE SINCE 1995 HOW ABOUT THAT..... BUFORD .
Don't really understand the last three posts. Can you expand a little? Maybe with a little less white space? Whose pay hasn't changed? Council get 25 per day? I didn't know it was based on a per day wage.
My post was deleted (censored) by Term.
He did not like what I said, I called him what someone called him before, but I added the word dumb before it, I also said I could not belive he made a remark about Batman & Robin being gay, if he thinks what he said was not a gay remark, then he must think we are all dumb ____.
This is not the first time he has deleted post's and not let us know he did.
It is awful that he said that and quite frankly, so what if they were gay. Those two helped to rid
Gotham of crime. There is nothing wrong with someone being gay. We should add homophobia to the list of issues the people on this site have along with common racism.
Who is this terminator person? The profile is blank,
I am going to stick to refuting what term and his posse posts by using facts. We do not need to argue with them about homophobia or racism, when they make those statements they are slowly establishing what their true character is.
Remeber the saying "Don't argue with an idiot, people watching may not be able to tell the difference".
What I would like to know is this; TERM was a campaign manager, If that person runs for office does his views reflect those of the candidate?
OOPS, sign previous post.
BATMAN
In what story line in Batman was it ever said that Batman and Robin were gay? Now who didn't have the facts and jumped to conclusions? Did a little more research for the blog. Batman does your theory also work with Councilmans salarys? Do you know how much Mentors councilpeople make? other City's? Painesvilles is way underpaid, WHY?
There are alot of great people
working for the City of
Painesville. Police Chief,
Department Head at the Waste Water Treatment Plant that I believe we are fortunate to have here, but that raise seems to be obscene. Wonder why council approved it?
Post are only removed for Language or personel attacks. On anyone!
I have full confidence in John Murphy as a councilman, If thats what your asking, Batman get busy on those facts or do I have to print them?
TERM>>
Great I'm happy to know John Murphy is running, this time the people will know the truth about him when he bought his house on Chestnut St. he was living out of state, but he said he was not, also some of his friends have told some great storys about him lately, he should watch who he keeps as friends.
So do your views reflect those of John Murphy?
John Murphy maybe he's an alien from Planet 9. Or maybe from North Dakota,his truck says Dakota on the side. I have no idea why this administration is so concerned about him running for office. Maybe he's not a bobblehead? As a ward 3 resident where is my councilman? Gossip theres a good way to pick a councilman.
Ok Term, here is your chance. What did you mean by the "stories about you and Robin"? Open question to you.
Who said the administration is concerned about Murphy running for office? Maybe he will read his packet and do the job well. They should be happy if he does that. This is why we have campaigns and elections - to find out the truth about the candidates.
I fully agree we should pay our council more. The reason we don't is when Becks tried to do it the "good ole boy club" voted it down. Why? Maybe they figure as long as they aren't paying much no one of high caliber will run against them? I don't know.
For the record, I believe for the most part are city employees are good at what they do, some bad apples in every barrel. I also believe this city could much better if we got rid of our whole council and replaced them with people actually willing to challenge things like:
1. We are the county seat so we have to put up with every low income housing program in the county.
2. We are the county seat so we have to be a haven for every piece of human trash that exists in Lake County.
3. How about a council person that is willing to stand up and say, "I'm proud of this city, I like where I live, and if you don't like it here,leave".
I could go on and on.
BATMAN
John Murphy,
If you have the same views as Term, I will not vote for you.
Your Neighbor
Batman for council
CITY COUNCIL IS SUPPOSED TO BE A PART-TIME JOB, PER JOE HADA.HOWEVER,IF HE HAD EACH WARD COUNCIL PERSON GIVING A REPORT ON THEIR AREA RESIDENTS OF THEIR CONCERNS. AND THE COUNCIL-AT-LARGE PERSONS, MAKING A REPORT ON THE ENTIRE CITY RESIDENTS CONCERNS. THIS WOULD SHOW THAT THEY ARE DOING THEIR JOB1! AND THIS WOULD MAKE FOR A MORE FRIENDLY CITY, BUFORD
OK, Miss M.
If you live in Ward 3 dont call Mr. Fountain its a waste of time, I understand hes sick but someone should at least return your call. He wasnt at te council meeting either. What do we have to do to get channel 12 to work? Its bag meeting after meeting.
Toby
I have had some problems in ward 3, I had never met Mr Fountain, I called him and left a mesg. he returned my call that night, and he helped me with my problems.
Thank you Mr. Fountain
I'm so sure!
MR. FOUNTAIN READS THE BLOG ... can tell by the last 2 post... SKILLET...
you don't find anyone else credible as a poster, why should we trust what you say.
Skillet,
Your last 3 posts show who you are.
I do not have to respond to your remarks, Mr. Fountain helped me in a big way, and that is a fact.
Skillet,
You said you can tell by the last 2 posts that Mr.Fountin reads this blog, well the post just before you was not one for Mr.Fountain.
YOU HAVE JUST BEEN ADDED TO THE LIST.
I don't think the administration is worred about John Murphy winning,
do to the fact he will not win.
time will tell!
What until the truth about him comes out.
Are you ready John ?
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