"BLAME GAME" young slim
"Success has a thousand fathers... failure is an orphan" JFK mentioned that after the Bay of Pigs invasion failed.
Well we in Painesville have a $2,000,000.00 failure that WE will end up paying for.
Someone mentioned to me "it might have been a good idea in the beginning." Yes when we went into Gorsuch and even Prairie States it might have seemed feasible. Meigs County was to much to late. No one reading this blog. would ever get involved with a "take or pay" finance offer with regards to their personal finances.
AMP-OHIO? Residents can't even understand their involvement with the Painesville City electric department.
A simple way to explain it is you don't have the time or resources to do all your grocery shopping, so you hire me to get you the items you need at the best possible prices. I shop Giant Eagle, Marc's Heinen's, Wal-Mart, K-Mart wherever I can find the best value for your dollar. Your happy with the job that I am providing you provide me a fee to do this for you. One day I wake up and decide maybe if I start my own grocery store my customers will pay me to establish it? You can guess what happens? All your shopping is done at my store and if I fail to make it you are held responsible for the cost of my grocery stores. PARTNER? AMPGS didn't even put a out-house in Meigs County and it cost Painesville 2 million big ones.
Blame? Do we blame the city manager who recommended this project to council? [remember you people tell me she is a trained professional] OR should Joe Hada, Paul Hach, and Robert Fountain fall on their swords?[time to go guys?]
The News-Herald for some reason or another can't seem to grasp what this will cost us here in town or maybe they just can't believe anything this stupid could happen? No story? Why?
I guess we will take out another note to pay for this.[ Maybe residents could donate another flat fee?]
Nothing will happen unless the residents of Painesville demand something be done and I don't believe this blog. is cutting it.
I guess along with the fact that some how we have to come up with 2 million bucks. I keep remembering how condescending the council and administration were to people who suggested this might be a big mistake. It got so bad as the final vote was taken councilman Hada "proudly" voted for this deal.
I really want someone to take responsibility for this screwup and I can't see how it won't happen again unless the people still around RESIGN.
posted by terminator1 @ 1:18 PM
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16 Comments:
First, a well written post. These issues need to be shown to ALL Painesville residents and their new water bill to match. Maybe just maybe the same old same old will finally come to an end.
For another blame game, events like the one in the link below sure makes me want to support SB 5 all the more. Makes me sad that first amendment rights allow things like this and the Kansas church protests. All I can say is VERY poor taste. Not in my day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dcuqM1LEi5c&feature=youtu.be
Term, someone asked you who, what or when did Painesville start going downhill. I'd like to hear yours and others opinions too.
Well we can start with after the second world war old neighborhoods started to change. People didn't want to live two doors down from every realative they had. Movin' out to the country?? Mentor? Concord, Perry.
People started shopping differently instead of spending an afternoon in downtown shopping let's go out to the Great Lakes Mall even the big box stores were coming vogue remember Giant Tiger, Spartans?
Painesvilles well educated started leaving. Doctors, attorneys, even teachers. Back in the 60's it was rare to find a teacher that didn't live in the city.
We cannot forget white flight fear of Painesville demographics changing. Public housing Argonne Arms, government sudsidized housing. Area Manufacturing leaving the area Diamond Alkali, Industrial Rayon Corp. least we forget what a travesty Urban Renewal was.
The beat goes on. Your biggest employer Lake East headed south how do you lose a hospital? Seemed full all the time? Expansion where was Painesvilles hand? Well it showed up after the die was cast.
Sometimes I view the citys administrator as believing Painesville as the Grande Dame of Lake County? You prove yourself to us we don't have to prove anything. Sorry it takes more then a beautiful downtown square
to make a community the place where people want to work,live, and play.
Now can Painesville turn it around? First embrace Lake Erie College. Get new leadership on council along with a new city administration get a qualified city manager do a search and find someone who is willing to do the job and surrounds themselves with people they trust without micro-managing everything. Tell me how many people does it take to show a councilmans graphs at a council meeting.
You want a strong growing community quit fooling yourself that our school system is doing a great job. That's where you start.
Its called tough love!
I remember well when they had this AMP 50-year coal plant deal in the works. I remember well McMahon's shifty, shady and evasive answers to concerned citizens. Come to find out she was leaving out the take or pay part of it! I remember citizens telling them how moronic it was to get into a 50-year coal deal in this day and age, with technology exploding all around us. I remember Hada's endless lectures to us poor, ill-informed residents who just didn't seem to get what they were saying. Well, we got it alright. We knew we were going to get screwed, and here we are. I also remember his I-know-what's-better-for-you-than-you-do attitude. And I remember his proud, defiant vote yes.
We also got into a deal with AMP for a landfill deal. I think it costs us $10,000.00 a year for enough power to keep one home going. I would have to go find my notes to see if that $10,000/year figure is correct, but I think it is. We did this they said so that it would look good for us as an alternative energy source should the government come looking. Well, in my book, an energy source should actually produce some energy. I specifically called DiNallo and Fodor before that vote to beg them not to go along with it, but they both did.
I think maybe we need to pitch in some money and maybe the POC can make a flyer introducing themselves to the citizens of Painesville, and then list things that have gone wrong/concerns that are ongoing, etc. I think most people do not know what the heck is going on here and where their money is going and going and going and going and going.
How does it all start? Well, Andy Flock complains about rusty water and we are stuck with a higher water bill.
Term, complains about messy recycling bins (Even takes pictures) and now, we all have to struggle and sort our garbage.
Keep complaining about that $2,000,000.00 failure and council will have us pay for that too.
Complaining sometimes has consequences.
Please don't tell us your solutions would be to keep your head in the sand? Rusty water, there was another plan then the flat rate plan. What would you have done if that water was coming to you? Do you believe what we are doing on Latimore St. is recycling? Your going to pay that 2 million I guess you just didn't want to know about it.
Complaining sometimes has consequences, so doesn't poor leadership in government.
When is the next POC meeting?
6:49 Tuesday June 14th 6:30PM at Chester's. Meeting will start ON TIME.
re: 12:33
"Struggle and sort" your recyclables at home? Really? I hate to break it to you, but if you took recyclables to Latimore Street, you had to "struggle and sort" for that, too. On the other hand, if you don't recycle at all, then why are you complaining? For the rest of us, curbside recycling will be a nice improvement, not only for the gas saved from not having to drive to Latimore, but also to no longer worry about driving over broken glass in the parking lot, encountering dumpster divers searching for scrap metal, and waking up the occasional homeless person sleeping in a dumpster.
Someone mentioned new recycling bins for residents. Have those been distributed? My street hasn't seen any.
6:49 sharp at the BAR
11:53 This stars in July expect your bin in the next week or two. It will be green with a yellow lid.
2:04 No in the room that is separate from the bar area and semi-private. see you at least payed attention to the time mentioned. I don't understand your concern it's not as if you were coming,right?
Rita has the News-Herald in her hip pocket. Wonder if a reporter will even show up at Mondays work session?
This woman has made Painesville the laughing stock of Northeastern Ohio.
Did we not recycle years ago....glass bottles returned to stores....paper bags re-used for garbage etc? Please...how lazy can today's world get? Walking a bin to the end of your driveway should not be such a challenge.
My condolences to the Cicconetti family on the passing of their father, Angelo.
ahhhhhh 2 cents for pop bottles and all the penny we could buy!
thanks 8:59 am.
we scouted for bottles everywhere and we thought we being paid big bucks for every pop bottle.
do you think it would work today? Just back from Maine and they gave us a nickle!
have to agree....... how lazy can you get.
Coming to Home Depot near you!
Solar panels and home energy installation!
NPR ran a great story on the "Smart Grid" anybody want to know about power and grids and what is coming in the very near future listen to Science Friday.
here is the link, click on the "listen" button in the upper left hand corner.
http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/201106105
Painesville needs to rethink the utility business, time to get out.
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