"DO THE HUSTLE" van mccoy
I (along with four other Painesville residents) attended the work session for 'Revenue Enhancement for Capital Improvements' at City Hall .
It should have been called "Nightmare on Elm Street". How do we get money to pay for all of the city's infrastructure problems?
First off... although some members of council want a shared cost on a waterline problem they just can't wrap their minds around a solution. End result: at present the $10.00 fee is alive and well. Some members of council don't want this fee to affect business, but at the same time, see no problem in raising some residents' rate 100%. I guess it's who you know. Me, if you're going to charge me more then the county or Aqua Ohio why should you be in the water business?
Somehow this administration believes there happens to be only a little over 7 miles of "BAD" roads in the 3 or 4 classification worse of the worse. Personally I thought it was the other way around; there was only 7 miles of good roads in Painesville. A solution: a 4 mill levy costing the average homeowner of a $100,000 $11.57 a month $138.84 a year. Also mentioned was the fact that we like 6 million dollars for two new fire stations fully equiped. That for some reason went nowhere.
The Nightmare? One word "Reciprocity". What that simply means is that presently Painesville gives you 100% reciprocity [credit] on income taxes paid to another city. What if we only gave 50% reciprocity to residents? 2% income tax where you worked and an added 1% for Painesville because you live here. If you live in Painesville and make $40,000 at your job in Mentor you pay $800.00 in income tax to Mentor. With this 50% proposal you would pay $800.00 to Mentor and $400.00 to Painesville... I guess for the privelege of living here?
Here's one I would propose: Pensions should pay 2% to city income tax until that person reached the age of 65.... how fair would that be Mr. Hada, Mr. Fodor? Fair share?
On another note Mr. Fodor and Mr. Fountain did not attend the work session.
Comical moment? When Mr. Flock asked what kind of savings could we see if all employees took a 10% pay cut? After the initial shock wore off and at least two false numbers were given, $400,000 seemed to be the final number. So am I to believe Painesville City has a 4 million dollar yearly payroll and another 3 million in benefits and we wonder where the money went?
Mrs. DiNallo made a statement and an analogy: large water users don't cost the system more money, percentage rates are not fair. Then she mentioned expecting clean water when she goes to eat at Taco Bell. Well, should everyone that orders food at Taco Bell pay the same price if they order 1 taco or 10? The building's there, the employees are there, the ingredients are all there. Is it fair Mrs. DiNallo that if you order 1 taco you should pay the same as someone who asks for ten?
As far as stormwater funds; I don't believe anyone understood the numbers and where and how it was spent.
It struck me that this administration could never run a business where performance decided success or failure.
posted by terminator1 @ 7:49 AM
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18 Comments:
I was getting ready to ask about this meeting - I was unable attend because I was sick. Was anything resolved? Do they at least put minutes from these meetings up on the website?
I agree that there is another way to raise revenue for the water lines, but the sad thing is that a % increase just does not work. There needs to be a tangible amount - maybe based on previous years' water usage?
And a loss of reciprocity? I thought that if I work in another city, my taxes still went to the city I live in? Is that not correct?
5:56 Your income tax goes to the city you make your income in,not the city you live in that is unless you work and live in the same city.
Also if you say work in Perry Township which has no income tax then you have to pay Painesville City income tax.
Like a child when Flock asked about the 10% pay cut. The first response out of the CM mouth was including council? How petty can Ms. McMahon get?
I was just wondering, when billions of dollars in Federal earmarks were being given out to states and cities, why didn't the city leaders and Congressman LaTourette get some of that money, for Painesville's infrastructure?
On this 50% Reciprocity, again they come to the residents for council failing to keep a thriving business community. Once again they will balance the budget on the backs of residents for a job they failed to do. Is no one on council or in the administration accountable for any of this?
Will the residents ever wake up and figure this out? Disgusted!
11:20 Council just reviewed this idea. No plans presently that I know of to make it happen. Just another "tool" in their basket.
8:36 Grants like "Downtown Master Plan" "Streetscape". New water line on Jackson St. Again what this administration needs is a professional grant writer then we may get some serious money. Streetscape, really?
Oh, I see if we get grants (for what ever purpose) it comes from the sky and not OUR federal taxes WE pay, is that correct. Local taxes or federal taxes guys it is still our money. Forget the grant stuff, let's do it with our own resourses guys. As for the water line fee, what is done is done whether or not it should have been done with funds from before or not. The cost of the piping infrastructure has nothing to do with the volume used. I am infavor of a $10/property residential or business and in that way the $10 will go away once the water lines have been replaced. I you do a percentage it could be on forever. Yes we should see a plan on what streets and when this will occur.
Our problem is we have to many non contributing members of this community that pay no taxes what so ever and many may never have paid taxes property or otherwise. We need more not less businessess in this community and people that they can hire without drug and alcohol probems because they cannot pass any tests.
Gary Fisher
I am sure many of you know me.
Gary nice to hear from you. Although I may disagree with your comment that water lines have nothing to do with volume.
You also believe this $10.00 will go away? over 90 miles of pipe in Painesville do the math.
Why should Painesville residents pay $60.00 for water and a township resident [served by the county] $45.00.
How do you feel about paying the $10.00 fee and knowing the Argonne Arms is paying the same $10.00 fee for the whole place?
You are correct about grants it tax money plain and simple. Painesville should be a grant writers dream, old,poor, many minorities. The holy grail of grant writing.
Mr. Fisher whats done is done? Problem with that is the same people who did the done whats done, are still doing whats doing? Only a fools would give Rita and her crew another million dollars to blow!
Coming to the residents because council failed? Council isn't the only one that may have failed. I believe the residents failed too.
They are quick to want things fixed and they want it done now, but any levys put up FAIL. How does one fix things that are broke without money? And I'm not speaking of the current tanked economy, look back.
Ages ago, yes but since Term became the city's negative mouthpiece, nothing will ever change and this city will go down the tubes even faster.
poppycock with all the problems the last couple of days I know for sure your comment got lost. I will try to retreive it but it might be easier if you put it on the site again.
TERM>>
Coming to the residents because council failed?
Council isn't the only one that may have failed. I believe the residents failed too.
They are quick to want things fixed and they want it done now, but any levy's put upm FAIL. How does one fix things that are broke without money? And I'm not speaking of the current economy look back. Ages ago, yes put since Term has become the city's negative mouthpiece nothing will ever change and this city will go down the tubes even faster.
Hopes it right TERM>>
I'm not against levys or other means to increase revenue just how it's proposed. Charter change for a Safety levy? I don't think so. Revenue for infrastructor? Same fee for all, raising our prices for residents higher then surrounding communities and let big commercial users skate? Not a good idea. Investing in coal energy plants for 50 years?
How about a few good ideas.
Negative how about someone start using some common sense?
Another opening on the School Board. Will the last Board Member to bail, please turn out the lights in the Dr Hanlon Board Room.
Sorry, you have said more than once you would not support another levy until the poeple in charge are responsible with the money.
Who do you think voted for those people? Residents. You won't be happy until the rest of your friends are on council and then heaven help us all if that happens.
9:38am, who voted these people in? Well, a lot of renters who have no financial stake vote them in. They want the best and think more money will give them the best and since it's not their money, sure, they vote the same people in. They vote for all levies. Good grief. Us taxpayers don't stand a chance.
Who is leaving the school board?
'Cuse me 4:29 ...but renters pay indirectly (or directly, depending on how you look at it). I happen to have a great landlord...have lived here 5 years. When his costs go up...my rent goes up. He is probably one of the few landlords that actually shows me the bills...his increases and my share of those increased costs. So when his taxes go up as a result of a levy passing...my rent goes up as well. What I will agree on is that not enough INFORMED voters (tenants OR homeowners) get out and do their homework before pulling the lever. And just so you know...I have grandchildren that live here and are just beginning their education. I have a vested interest in the local schools. And I DID NOT vote for the last levy nor will I vote for the next one just based on the last ten years' worth of state scores.
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