"QUESTION" moody blues
The new year is not even a week old and I have read four stories in the News-Herald that concerns Painesville.
One a story about Painesville forming the first downtown park and recreation area in the state.
Then there are the other three.
1. Man handcuffed tries to escape police while handcuffed on a court warrant.
2. Two men stabbed at Shamrock Apartments are treated at Tri-Point.
3. 19 year old man shot twice by 18 year old Painesville man at a party on Meriden
Ave.
PERCEPTION per-sep-shun noun. The act or faculty of apprehending by means of the senses of mind; cognition; understanding. In other words what your mind believes something is like.
What is the perception of Painesville to people in surrounding communities? If you read the comments on the News-Heralds web site not very positive [sorry JT.]
The shooting story even carried comments about section 8 housing and the schools 50% grading policy? The most disturbing to me were that people said they didn't come to Painesville because they didn't feel safe here?
Painesville ranked last out of 76 communities in Cleveland Magazine in the category of safety? Not because we don't have a great police or fire departments. It's Perception.
If you were reading the paper since the New Year would you think Painesvilles a safe place to move your family?
Is this an honest perception for people to believe, or how do we change it? No, we can't hide or lie about it either.
Resolutions?
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After reading page 3 of Sundays News-Herald you have to start to wonder who doesn't care a gun in town? Next time try the door bell.
posted by terminator1 @ 4:13 PM
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64 Comments:
It is what it is.
What other community has become the armpit of Lake County? Don't look everyone is laughing people. We all know why.
Both the men in the stabbing and the men in the shoting knew each other, it was not random.
Still better then Mentor or Cleveland
I think the safety issue is overblown. I lived in the north end for five years, and during that time, I never felt unsafe. Yes, there is a lot of crime, and a lot of bad people just loitering around, but for the most part, it is thug on thug crime. Anytime you see something like a stabbing or shooting, it is between either two druggies, or two thugs arguing over something.
If you go looking for trouble in Painesville, you can find it. However, if you are just living your life as a law abiding citizen, I don't think there is much to fear. I've walked down the street in the dead of night and never felt unsafe.
I know a lot of these thugs and used to deal with them on a daily basis. They are not out looking to cause problems for the everyday citizen. For the most part, they just mess with each other.
Having said that, anytime something like drugs and violence are occurring, there is a chance you get caught in the crossfire, so it is not good. I just think it is really exaggerated in Painesville.
But, that is the perception, so it is what most people think of when you say Painesville.
I would have no problem walking around town at 2am by myself. Yes, you want to stay out of Argonne and Shamrock, but most people have no reason to get there anyway.
I no longer live in Painesville. I live in the immediate area and have business interests in Painesville. I am in Painesville 3-5 days a week. The main reason I left was for a bigger house, a bigger yard, and to get away from my constantly complaining neighbor and the code enforcement division and their EXTREMELY SELECTIVE enforcement. Anyone that saw my property when I lived in Painesville or see my property now would agree that it is exteremely well kept. I lived next door to a property with clear code violations, but nothing was ever done about it. But yet everytime my neighbor called to complain, Noelle would be at my doorstep.
I didn't leave because of the crime or Painesville being a bad place to live. I left because of a City employee and a miserable neighbor, may he NOT rest in peace.
To read the articles you often get mis-led. I would be willing to bet that the details of the cases are much different than that which were reported. I have been party to some News Heraldd stories and felt I was never there after reading the article that covered the event. I am not sure if it is bad reporting or embelishment.
The "Perception" of Painesville is sometimes bad, no doubt. But what about Mentor, much better??? Mentor high school teacher sex scandals and their fair share of issues with bad apartments. mentor maan just in the paper yesterday going away for 12 years. Ask the Mentor Narcotics guys how good things are there, no lack of work folks, work = drugs and crime.
Maybe the police should have been at the party and frisked all of the people before they entered the party in the first place. I am sure such backwards logic will surface here soon enough.
But for now, I know that crime is everywhere that there are humans. Since Painesville has humans, we have crime, fact of life. Are we perfect, not by far, but based on the size of the town and the population here, crime is inevitable. Until people learn to live with each other crime will follow every generation to the end of time. JT
Does it really matter why someone leaves? That fact is Painesville cant keep people and thats a problem. If I can live where there is not a gun fight or stabbing, I think most would pick that and those that can afford to leave have. To 5:56 really you left cause of Noelle and neighbor. What happens when your new next door neighbor complains ect oh yes and that bigger yard -really? You still have business in Painesville thats really big of you, so your business must not be in Noelle section correct?
12:17 You are not saying the only people here, are the ones that can't go anywhere else?
The question is do you know people who are fearful of coming to our town? To shop, live, play For what reason.
I talked to a woman who left Painesville and says she won't even come back here to do business, etc. because of all the illegal Mexicans. She was so disgusted with Painesville, that she acted like she could hardly say the name.
I asked her if she participated in any of the rallies or was trying to help with that problem in any way. She said no, she just moved a few towns away.
I told her that if nothing is done in our town, then the problem would be in her town soon enough.
At any rate, that's why SHE left Painesville.
Another stabbing last night.
Hey 12:17, let's lighten up on 5:56. Term asked why people don't want to live here, or have moved out, and 5:56 told us why SHE moved out. Sounds like a valid reason to me.
Question: Is this the same lady (the Noelle you two are talking about), that has done this job for years? I am asking because for years I have been hearing huge complaints about a woman in the code enforcement division who is horrible. I have heard she DOES selectively enforce the codes and harasses some people beyond belief.
Maybe we should be looking into this complaint instead of attacking 5:56. Sounds to me like 5:56 has had enough trauma from Painesville people.
What do you think? Should we give 5:56 a break?
Its simple, most people with wealth and education have left the city because they seen it heading downhill. Show me the money? Show me the Degrees?
I finally cheked the News-Herald web site and the comments are disturbing. A lot of people including ones living here paint a weird picture.
Hey 12:17, where I live now, my closest neighbor is 600 feet away and partially blocked by woods. My neighbor can barely see my house. Plus it is in a township, so I don't have all stupid codes that I can be cited for. And yes, I went from a 0.20 acre lot to a 4 acre lot. If you want to come out and measure in case I'm wrong, I can give you my address.
As for my business interests, am I supposed to just give up the way I make a living? It's one thing to buy a new house, it's another to close a business. You just have to grin and bear the code enforcers. Plus, the same neighbor does not live in two places, so he is not right next to the business.
There were multiple reasons I left. My point was that it wasn't because of crime, it was mainly for a bigger yard and to get away from the constant harassment by my neighbor and his personal enforcer in city hall.
The reasons are relevant why people are leaving. Some reasons can't be addressed by City policy. They can't expand properties. They can't change the weather to stop people from moving south. They can't make the City closer to jobs in Cleveland (not that there are many these days).
Reasons that people leave are VERY IMPORTANT. If people are leaving because of crime, taxes, City policy, those things can be addressed. Reasons such as lot size and weather can't be addressed.
Dear 11:27 no I dont think we should give 5:56 a break. Further I dont think 5:56 ever stated if they were female or male, therefor you are either 5:56 or a friend of 5:56. Again you go after Noelle she is not the reason that Painesville has stabbings or gun fights is she that not her job is it? Maybe she is doing the bidding of what upper managment is telling her and she is just doing her job, but then who really knows or she could be doing as you say. However to use that as the reason for leaving really this city has bigger issues then Noelle thats all I'm saying. As for the women who left and you feel it will be moving to her neck of the woods. Take note people if there is no section 8 and the rent is not subsidized that issue will not be moving to that neck of the woods. this city needs to enforce rules or create them.
1:08 - you are right. The illegal alien problem in Painesville has already spread into the surrounding communities. With Painesville being listed as a sanctuary city it has become a magnet for these illegal aliens. And the fact that the County Commissioners passed a resolution endorsing the Matricula Card has only increased the influx of these illegal aliens! It's not too late to take our cities, states and country back. Call, fax and e-mail these Politicians and demand that our immigration laws be enforced and there will be NO passage of an Amnesty Bill!
An interesting question would be how many homes are in forclosed on in Painesville presently. Plus what percentage of property taxes are late?
Just a side note here. None of the stories mentioned had anything to do with Painesvilles illegal population.
Hey 5:30 AM glad your gone you must have had A lot of code problems, You must like it out there where you can put your junk in the yard and no cares, you do have something to do with junk right ?
Hey 6:54, I don't know anyone on this blog other than Term. I should say that I may know who they are, but I don't communicate with anyone. It was probably just a mistake in assuming that I was a female. Maybe I am, maybe I'm not, but I'm not conspiring with anyone to state why I moved out of Painesville.
Anyway, how can someone attack me for the reasons I left Painesville? I gave my reasons. I don't get why those aren't good enough. Term asked why people leave, and I gave reasons. They shouldn't be attacked. Some of you people on here sometimes make no sense at all.
For someone who is trying to get all cryptic with people's post, you misread mine. I never said that Noelle was the reasons for the shootings and stabbings. I said that the shootings and stabbings didn't really bother me. I said what bothered me was Noelle and the ridiculous subjectivity of the code enforcement.
The City may have bigger issues than this rogue code enforcement agent (wasn't BTK also a code enforcer?), but I said that some of them didn't bother me, and I said why I left.
I can use whatever reason I want to leave. If I don't like the color of the house across the street I can leave. Last time I checked, we had the freedom to move where we wanted in the United States. I didn't know I had to put my reasons up for a vote with you or a government panel in order to move.
I don't need a break for anything. My reasons are my reasons.
If people think that this website is hard on Painesville and Term is a trouble maker go to the News Hearold and read the comments that people posted there regarding the figth and stabbing. Whats on here is mild compaired to that site. Bottom line Painesville is like the New Cleveland and the issues it faces will not be fixed for years to come by that time what will be left? Tobe honest I think its way too late for this city you cant fix what it has taken years to become. This did not happen overnight. Thank your leadership for the last 20yrs. Colleges will not even look at graduates from PCS because of the grading policy. Crime is up, gangsters in the street. Yes if I were family Painesville would be were I would want to send my kids to school and play and grow-up. Its just sad.
I think the main reasons that our city has such a bad reputation is because of the illegals and the crime.
I don't know if our crime here IS actually worse than the surrounding areas, but I live here and it certainly seems that way to me, too.
I attended some of the anti-illegal immigration rallies, and I talked to a lot of people. When I mentioned that I lived in Painesville, people were very sympathetic. Some asked if I owned a home here. When I told them yes, some understood why I was staying and fighting, but most said they would not live here because of the illegals.
Add Veronica Dahlberg on top of the mess - always exaggerating what they police are doing and always trying to take our law enforcement agencies to task for doing their jobs, and we look like -- and probably are -- the armpit of Lake County.
10:43 let me see if I understand you, you didnt leave because there was crime your ok with the stabbing and the shooting not a big deal. On the other hand your neighbor and Noelle drove you out of the town and that should be more of concern then shooting and stabbing? I think your being way too defensive if its no big deal why keep defending yourself. IF this was how you treated the next door neighbor then maybe they are just as happy to be rid of you? You come across as angry sorry. I dont know about anyone else but, I'm somewhat dumbfounded that this person is ok with crime and thats not reason to move, but the neighbor and Noelle are. I think you have too much time on your hands
I've had many comments on this blog regarding the violations and the City. They were minor things like brush, grass, and gravel. It had nothing to do with junk. I don't know who you think I am, but I have nothing to do with junk. If you also want to come by, you can join the other person when he/she comes to measure my yard, and you can see that I have no junk in my yard.
As a matter of fact, I complained to Noelle about the junk in my neighbor's yard, but apparently she was blind to anything that went on there, as nothing was ever done.
Can't wait until the gringos and grassroters, find out who the new CEO of the News Herald is?
Its not going to get easier for them.
F.V.D.
F.V.D.
Yes it will be interesting, I only can hope that there will be "fair and balanced"
If he brings an agenda to the News- Herald that has no room for disagreement, good luck.
If The News-Herald becomes any more difficult to work with or to get activities published, especially (but not exclusively) as it concerns The Grassroots Rally Team, then it will end up being useless as a public service.
If that is the case, then they might as well go out of business. This paper, in my opinion, aligns themselves with certain agendas, people and entities and then acts accordingly. I find it pretty shocking really.
12:37 tell the truth you were upset when code enforcment came down on you for all of the things wrong with your house, and I have to go along with 10:17am and say it had a lot to do with your junk.
know you
I am cancelling my subscription to the News Herald tomorrow. There's only one way this will turn out.
I said I wasn't too concerned with the crime because for the most part it was criminal v. criminal, not criminal v. law abiding citizen. If there ever was a threat, I have my CCW permit, so I'm ready. I'm not angry, I just stated why I left Painesville, and apparently I'm not allowed to leave for those reasons. I guess I'll put my house up for sale and move back.
I stopped speaking to my neighbor after the harassment. I tried to ignore him to no avail.
I keep defending myself because people keep attacking my reasons for leaving. It looks like I'm the only person who has even answered Term's original question.
The only person on here who might even know my name is Term. Sorry Term, but I'm done with this blog. Some of these people on here are unbelievable. They defend Painesville blindly and attack people for no reason. I give a fact about why I left, and I'm called a junk collector. I don't know who you are insinuating I am, but I guarantee you, you don't even know me. I probably had one of the best kept yards on the street. But assume on people.
BTK, AKA/ Dennis Rader was a census field operations supervisor for the Wichita area in 1989, prior to the 1990 federal census.[5]
In 1991 Rader was hired to be supervisor of the Compliance Department at Park City, a two-employee, multi-functional department in charge of "animal control, housing problems, zoning, general permit enforcement and a variety of nuisance cases." In this position, neighbors recalled him as sometimes overzealous and extremely strict; one neighbor complained that he euthanized her dog for no reason. On March 2, 2005, the Park City council terminated Rader's employment for failure to report to work or to call in; he had been arrested for the murders five days earlier.
I love fact, noot fiction. JT
5:39 I would be wildly guessing who you are. I have been following this and I don't have a clue about junk, neighbors, crime, ect. and have many friends that have moved out of town. Please don't let people get to you, thats there way of getting you to be quiet.
JT. Thanks for the information but I don't believe Painesvilles code enforcers are anywhere closer then a million miles from Dennis Radar?
Where are you people going with this question?
THe person had his reason to leave, thats what you asked? I left because of all the low-lifes that were moving in. Plus the fact that it seemed my community was more interested in people who weren't legally here then thew ones that were. The schools are a mess!
Anyone with half a brain has left, what are you doing still here?
everyone can't live in painesville and moving for more space and privacy is not evil or bad. city living is not for everyone.
i have had some pretty bad neighbors in my life and glad i moved. some i am glad their kids grew up and moved out of my neighborhood.
i had a paineville code enforcer try to harass me once. she accused me of something i did not do. i went straight downtown and set her straight and talked to her boss. she was supposed to be across the street but did not pay attention to detail or the address.
i walk around painesville alot, some folks try to cause trouble, they don't like the outcome. i like the people with the ccw permits. i feel like they are on my side. the ccw guys dont start trouble but they can end it real quick. teach you children this. it might just save their life.
maddog
What is a ccw permit
conceal and carry weapon licence?
maddog you brought it up.
carrying concealed weapon permit.
Who Can obtain an Ohio Handgun Concealed Carry Permit (CCW) ?
· Any law abiding resident of the State of Ohio, at least 21 years of age, and a resident for at least 30 days.
· You must pass a criminal background check. Certain violent crimes, drug offenses, etc. will disqualify an applicant.
· You must obtain certified training from a training facility.
...and parents dont forget to teach your children about the castle law. it might just save their life as well.
maddog
Term, The only reason that I posted the clip from the article is that a poster posed the question if BTK was a code enforcement person. I merely posted it to answer the question.
Plus, I don't think that all of the attacks on the guy that moved out of Pianesville are warranted at all. Regardless of what they did, they did it to better their life and family so leave them alone. I did not live here forever and may not have until the past few years to be honest. My life changed and I had to bend with it. I lived 20 minutes away on a bigger lot facing a revene with a creek and trees. And "maddog" is right "City livin is not for everyone."
To that poster, worry not about the abuse that is spued here, it come often and hard. JT
Thanks for clearing that up JT.
Yes its a good enough reason, I just wish I could stop some of the exodus. Reading the paper yesterday, right or wrong I believe Mr. Graham and his family maybe thinking about leaving.
I see both sides of this and I just hate to have another professional leave over a bussing issue.
2:49 Do something positive, call some of the councilmen to get on board. Explain to them how important it is to you.
Speaking of the newspaper. People on this blog are talking about the newspaper blog and what people are saying on there. I checked it out, and I don't see anything like that. I must not be going to the right place on the newspaper's website? Help, someone?
To 11:47:
This is 2:49 from the "Happy New Year 2010" section. Is your question directed at me? If so -
I have lived here almost 20 years. Have tried for all those years to work with this city. It is a nightmare, and they do what they want to do, and it is mostly not what the citizens want them to do.
As soon as I moved here, I realized that the city manager and the council had an "us against them" attitude. It exists to this day. They are shady, untrustworthy people as I see it. And believe me, I have been out there to see it.
They continue to ruin this city in almost every way possible. It's time for the citizens to organize and take back control of our city. The only way we can do that now is to watch every step they take and monitor everything. And when McMahon starts her evasive answers and behaviors, we cannot settle for that.
This is 2:49 again.
The only other thing that can be done is to get these people out of office. Since they keep stealing elections by telling lies about their opponents, this has proven a very difficult thing to do.
By the way, is there any further talk of recall out there?
I don't think we can have a conversation about people not wanting to live here without talking about the grading system in our schools. I don't know exactly how it works, so someone who knows should fill in all the details. What I do know is that it was implemented for all the Mexicans, and it is hurting our kids.
Who in their right minds would move to a school system that has such a bazaar grading system?
The people who are running our town and our schools are simply out of control.
Hello 12:16...I had the same problem trying to find certain things on the NH website...try this:
-go to the home page
-in the "search for" box type in Painesville.
-it takes a couple of seconds for everything to load
-scroll down the page until you find the article you want to follow up on.
-if it was an older news item you may have to go to the next page (that link should be on the very bottom of the page)
-when you find the article you want to read or comment on...just click on the title.
I hope this helps...I had a heck of a time too ...
1:56 You just haven't been "enlightened" the 50% is to help ALL students, not just Mexicans. We have the Newest building of all districts in this part of the state. We also have the lowest test scores in the county.The people who run this system Dr. Hanlon and in the past Mr. Fodor did not and do not send there children to this failed system.
At the same time we as a community keep reelecting the same people that put us in this position.
Dr. Hanlon has tried to apply for as numerous new school openings as he can send resumes to.[Most boards are smarter then ours, hes not going anywhere]
Yet we lavious him with praise and wealth at the same time hes trying to leave us.
The 50% policy is a scam anyone who respects an education knows it.
Wonder if any board member will send their grandchildren to be educated here?
No one with any money or sense will move into Painesville until we improve the system, and that AIN'T happenin soon!
KAREN
Hey 5:52 -- Thanks.
I have to wonder when I went to church today why I passed a large tri-axle dump truck with the city of Painesville water pollution dept. on the side door, carrying a full load of rock salt yet it didn't have a plow or a salt spreader?
Another shooting incident and looks like it was done by someone who has been charged with illegally carrying a concealed weapon three times in the past. Yes, three times and only got a slap on the wrist. People talk about perceptions about Painesville. Well, if our courts appear to overlook crime and our city officials overlook the overcrowding of all the rentals/flophouses, then what kind of message are we sending out to people. No wonder we rated so low in safety and the perception of Painesville is so bad.
How will we ever attract any businesses or people to our so called downtown revitalization. All we will get is more of the above. People want a safe place to live, work and shop. No wonder the city closes up shop at 2PM. The county workers can't wait to get out of town. Any new business will take a good look and see that after the county offices close there is virtually no one left to patronize their business.
Badger, you must be reading my mind. Seems most people figure people are only shooting "friends" its O.K. They don't see the perception I guess.
Downtown rolls up the sidewalks at 5:00PM.
Yes, perception. It starts with perception which soon becomes belief and how long does it take to become fact.
Painesville schools 50% policy give the perception that a student doesn't have to study to get at least a 50% grade. How long before or how many students will start to use this as an excuse not to study or work hard for their grades.
People perceive that Painesville is crime ridden and soon believe it. Home owners are afraid and move out and neighborhood become full of rentals. This only creates a downward spiral that turns it into a fact that more crime and drugs come to the city.
Illegal immigration and overcrowded/flophouses give the perception that we are overlooking our housing ordinances and allowing this to go on unchecked. Between the high number of rentals and the fact that we allow such things to go on only attracts more of the same.
We have a new year ahead of us and some very important problems that must be solved. We need to get more people involved and hold our politicians to a higher standard and remind them they work for us and not their political party. We need to get back to what made America great. The PEOPLE. It's not the government that makes a county great, it's the PEOPLE. We need to stop expecting the government to solve all our problems and take care of us. It's up to each and everyone of us to step up to the plate and do what needs to be done. Let's get back to the ideals that made this country great in the first place. Stop looking for the free ride and get to work.
New shooting in Painesville over the weekend. The person that said the streets where safe and they felt safe cause crimes being committed where people whom new each other. Well what do you have to say now this guy got into fight at bar followed this person home tried to break in and then shot the place up with around of bullets. But hey it who care right cause its safe to walk down the streets at night.
Look at the bright side we can't get any lower in that survey, right?
Great job everyone my investment here just keeps losing value.
2nd poster from 5:11 said it right - the people in both incidents probably knew each. That's how most of the violent crime in Painesville (and Cleveland, and probably everywhere) is.
Two unrelated incidents don't make me feel any less safe, and if people actually knew how great our police and fire departments are, they'd see it my way too.
By the way, the Painesville-area bar mentioned in the 2nd shooting was not in the city, it was in the township.
Thank you Adam, you got it right, I feel safe here too.
Agree most of the violent crime is probably in the "family". However that "family" stuff makes the paper and airwaves leaving all residents holding the bag in terms of property de-valuation and public perception. If anyone owning property has a prayer of selling, the perception of this city needs to make a turn around!
Adam you are young and you must be planning to grow old here or take one big bath in the real estate market. As much as I agree with your saying, there is a great deal of fallout from your thinking.
People who live in Painesville already know about the safety and where not to go. The whole perception subject is all about bringing new businesses and new people to town who will invest their money. This is the only way this new plan for downtown can work. New Market sure didn't. It's not what we perceive but what new investors perceive.
To 10:14am, yes I am younger than most of the folks here, and possibly a minority as far as city homeowners go. I was born and raised here, then went away to college and got a degree. Unlike many who flee the area, I decided to come back. I bought a house in the city at age 25. 4 years later, I'm still here because I believe in the city.
However, I don't see how a positive attitude about the city I love could cause a 'great deal of fallout'. Look at the folks who are trying to turn the city around - what is their perception about (and attitude toward) the city?
Adam, The citys future depends on you and people your age believe in Painesville's future.
Badger, JT. myself and many others in our own way want to leave you with something worthwile to have and raise a family in Painesville.
I believe in one true fact, the people that come to this site care deeply about Painesville and together we can make this once proud city something to be proud of again.Hang in there Adam its coming.
Hey Badger, I think if a city is so bad that one of the residents says that the locals know where the bad parts are and know to stay away from there, then a city is pretty bad.
Also, someone was saying that the recent crimes were among people who knew each other. That really doesn't make it much better. People get caught in the crossfire, both literally and figuratively. Who would purposefully move to a town with known crimes like shootings and killings, especially if they have kids?
Really, if you have to try to guess where the good parts of town are, you're probably only going to move here if circumstances dictate it, and then with reluctance.
If you are a criminal, of course, then you would want to be in a town with this reputation. Illegal aliens are also quite fond of our town, thanks to our city leaders, as everyone knows. Other than that, though, who would want to come HERE?
Probably the only thing to do is to get the people who are running our city out of office, so it can be cleaned up of both the criminal and illegal elements, and also to see what we can do about the outrageous grading system at our schools.
Hey Badger,
What is you a fraddy cat, you big baby, there is no where in this city, I would not go, any time, any day.
Then theres more then Badger thats a fraddy cat. Maybe common sense would be a better word? I for one don't go any time, any day. Chances are sooner or later we will read about your misfortune.
If something happens what do you tell the police why you we're there?
I can take care of myself, thank you very much. On the other hand, I think twice about where I go with my wife, children or grandchildren.
I'm sure the first place, say a realtor would show a prospective buyer, is Kennsington, Shamrock, Argonne Arms, Tony's Subway Inn at night, under the Main Street bridge and the other more desirable places in our city. Yes, crime happens everywhere, but these places seem to get more of their fair share.
Add to that, the ratings our schools get year after year, our high tax rate, our empty downtown business district and the condition of some of our streets. Now, take that same buyer and drive down any street and point out all the rentals. Seven hundred different landlords in a town our size isn't a great selling point either. How about all the houses with several families living there with yards full of cars? People sleeping in vans in the back yard.
If the new downtown district becomes a success story, like say Lake Erie College, then we are headed in the right direction. If it becomes another urban renewal project like the New Market Mall that tied more rental units to the federal or state tax money we received, then we are headed in the wrong direction.
Painesville does have some good things going for it. Until we deal with the schools, rentals, overcrowded housing, slum landlords, empty business district downtown then we are just putting a fresh paint job on an old problem. We need an administration that will go out of it's way to attract businesses and work with them once they come here. We need to do a better job of selling Painesville. Until we do this, the perception of Painesville will continue to be all the negative stories in the news.
Funny you mentioned the schools Badger, never has so much, helped so little.
I have neighbors that think the schools here are top notch?
Finally one said "its what we got,it got to do."
Hanlon, the board, the rest of the administration are all frauds.
We have a husband and wife team in Painesville that think they are doing an outstanding service to Painesville. To be honest there act is getting quite stale.
KAREN
If they don't have guns.they roam around town with broomsticks.
You posted a very timely question.
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