"ROCKIN' AROUND THE CHRISTMAS TREE...."
Have been wondering what "present" Santa Claus will be bringing to our fair city this year?
Have we been naughty or nice?
Any ideas?
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BULLETIN JUST IN
John Murphy hearing in front of the Ohio Election Commission, on the allegations brought forth on this past election day.
William Horvath had brought the charges up was at the hearing along with his sidekick Joe Hada.
After reviewing the charges and asking their questions the commission found;
"No probable Cause"
The case was dismissed.
When I asked John if he felt vindicated, he stated he knew along the case had no merit. and was only brought up on election day to put doubt in voters minds.
He personally is looking forward for a apology from Mr. Horvath and Mr. Hada that be believes he has coming to him.[John don't hold your breath]
This is Painesville politics at it usual self. I am only glad the candidates I believe in have class.
posted by terminator1 @ 3:32 AM
69 Comments
69 Comments:
I have to say, I was at Jalepeno Loco on Saturday, and I really enjoyed it. The workers were very friendly and very quick. I'll definitely be back. I think it is a good Christmas present for the City.
Here's a list of those that you might want to thank or yell at...depending on what was in your stocking:
jhada@painesville.com
440.352.1461
allucy.1@sbcglobal.net
440.358.9955
adelamotte@painesville.com
440.354.8211
aflock@oh.rr.com
440.354.6041
hwerner@painesvillle.com
440.634.1518
phach@painesville.com
440.350.0157
I'm working on a Christmas fairy tale that will make a lot of these phones ring,and ring.
No onthing that I know of for KAREN.
How about a Christmas story about The Queen, Santa Claus and the Jack-in-the-box?
see you Friday.
Last Monday I went to a great Choir Concert. On Thursday I attended a fantastic Winter Band Concert. On Saturday morning I witnessed the Ribbon cutting and on Saturday night I cheered the Red Raiders basketball team onto victory over the Riverside Beavers. All this took place at the brand new Harvey High School. For me Christmasa came early!
General Paine
Wonder if Santa will bring Jalepeno Loco a licence for Christmas? How long can they operate illegally? Oh, I forgot who we're dealing with.
Just wondering what the outcome of the felony charges against the owners of the Mentor Jalepeno Loco and if this has any effect on a liquor license in Painesville? Are they the same owners?
Or did they get one already?
You must remember charges are not convictions, its an alleged crime. Odd wonder when they will have a hearing?
You must remember charges are not convictions, its an alleged crime. Odd wonder when they will have a hearing?
I would think that they probably bought the license from the owner's of the Storm Cellar.
Transfer of a Liquor Licence still needs State approval. and Painesville did ask for a transfer meeting.
I highly doubt they are operating without a at least a temporary license. The state would shut them down, and the suppliers would be breaking the law by selling beer to them.
Ahh, since they are hispanic, we MUST ASSUME they are operating illegally.
Ahh, What other business in Lake County. Has been charged with human trafficing?
I would love to be filled in on the human trafficing details. Anyone?
"ALLEGED" Is the key word.
People allegedly were brought up here and worked at the resturant to pay off the cost of being brought here.
THIS IS FOR MR,S HADA AND HORAVATH, HOW DO YOU EVEN SLEEP AT NITE? I WOULD THINK, MR. HADA, THAT IF YOU HAD A BEEF WITH JOHN MURPHY, YOU WOULD HAVE DONE IT IN A MORE GENTLEMENLY WAY. YOU DON,T WANT HIM ON COUNCIL, WHY? WHY IS HE SUCH A THREAT TO YOU, OR ARE YOU AFRAID HE WILL SHOW YOU WHAT YOU HAVEN,T BEEN DOING FOR THE LAST , HOW MANY YEARS,? OH YES, 28 YEARS.HE SHOULD SUE THE PANTS OFF FROM YOU AND HORVATH, AND STOP YOU FROM DOING IT TO SOME OTHER PERSON WHO THINKS LIKE JOHN, WHO WANTS TO HELP THE CITIZENS OF PAINESVILLE.PEOPLE OF PAINESVILLE, WAKE-UP, THIS COULD HAPPEN TO SOMEONE YOU LOVE OR KNOW.THESE 2 PEOPLE THINK THEY CAN DO ANYTHING THEY WANT TO , TO ANYON THEY WANT TOO. WATCH OUT NEW CITY COUNCIL MEMBERS, YOU AHD BETTER WATCH YOUR BACKS.
This is the second election that Hada and his gang lost for Murphy because of their lies. What happens to them now? Nothing? This is horrifying behavior with a serious, serious outcome. The News-Herald better print this in bold letters on the front page, since they participated in this madness. This city needed John desperately to be on council. The people who are running this city are despicable, and they just keep getting away with it and sitting up there like they are honorable people. I am sickened by this. John, you need to be loud about this and so do the rest of us. Can anything be done about the election, or do they just get away with this again?
John Murphy. Talk about classless. Answer me these question and when you do I might give you some respect:
The news herald printed that you had two degrees based on the information YOU gave them. How come you waited until just before the elections commission to retract it? How come you allowed the residents to be lied to about your education? Is it because it helped your campaign?
Who really is the bad guy here? The news paper for printing it wrong? or You for not correcting them and using it for your political benefit?
Did they print it wrong or did you write you had DEGREES?
Answer those questions or there is no sense in talking about this further. Consider yourself lucky.
John get over it, you lost
John didn't lose,Painesville lost. as far as the News-Herald John gave them the correct information and within 6 hours reported the mistake to the News-Herald. Check his campaign literature.
Only hope the two new council members know who there dealing with. Joe Hada never even bothered to sign in at the hearing,why? Maybe so his fingerprints weren't on this garbage?
If your Christmas Story has any merit. John Murphy should head on down to the election department and get some recall petitions started on the three still on council that thought this was a great idea! Over 3 million dollars and not even an ever-ready battery to show us. I'll sign it.
in answer to the 610 post, it should be public record, to get a copy of the questionare, which is mailed to all candiates. which will answer any questions you amy have about murphy.he completed the form, in 2007 and 2009 the very same way. he is a stand-up guy and will be good for painesvilles residents.
CAN there be recalls??? If so, this is the time. Hada, Horvath, an the rest of that group have stolen an election from Murphy for the second time. Murphy would never have gotten us into this AMP deal, and I don't think the hospital would be gone had they not lied to keep him off of council two years ago. If there was ever a time to recall these horrible people and get them off of council finally, then this is the time.
Thank goodness Horvath is finally out, but he's still doing slimy things behind the scenes.
If that is true -- that the News-Herald was given the correct info, but printed the wrong info and never made a retraction, then doesn't it look like The News-Herald IS in on it? It wouldn't be the first time I have known them to do horrible, underhanded things. I'm not saying everyone over there is untrustworthy, but it's not looking good for someone over there. I mean really, did they print an untruth on purpose so it could be exposed right before the election. They did endorse the other guys, you know.
And maybe it's time to really talk about some of the allegations they made against Murphy two years ago. You know, the one that Rita said she knew something happened -- that there was an incident -- but she just couldn't remember what the incident was?!!!
I think they owe Murphy his campaign expenses for two elections and a seat on council. Really, can something be done about these creepy people now?
I was sure they were going to use the "Rita lie" against Murphy for this past election. I was sure that is why they did it, but Murphy brought it up in public at council meetings numerous times and exposed them for who they are. I thought he should have sue them then, but at least he must have exposed them well enough over that issue that they were afraid to bring up those lies at the last minute before the latest election. Therefore, they needed new lies this time.
So, they told lies DURING the election two years ago, after the election two years ago, and right before the election again this time. Despicable. But they just keep saying those prayers before the council meetings.
A have to wonder where Mr.Robert Schiebi the president of the Lake County AFL-CIO and Lake Health board member was? I guess he was only there for the headline?
I ask John who said only Bill and Joe showed up?
To some of you that might think this type of politics doesn't work, I stood with John at one of the polls and almost every comment by a voter was about the article in the paper that morning. That said it worked.
Mr. Fountains charges in the last election,. the statement made by Joe Hada about John grabbing the city manager arm, that was never brought up to John, and then "Lets drop this its a lot about nothing"
Its a lot about a mans reputation people.
Between you and me if the city somehows now does owes AMP over 3 million dollars, I believe recall petition will be taken out in the near future.
I'm glad you brought up Fountain. Let's not forget his part in all of this. And don't forget McMahon has been a big part of this, too. (Rita McMahon, City Manager)
And lest we forget about good ol' Abby. I was told two years ago that she was one of the ones going door to door for THAT election telling Fountain's lies about John for him. Was Hach in on that, too? I think I remember that, but I'm not 100% sure.
This city has needed to be "cleaned up" for a lot of years, an I'm not talking about the sidewalks.
JOHN GET OVER IT YOU LOST......
That does not mean what John said about himself was all true, he still lied about most of it.
not Bill or Joe
I don't believe Mr. Murphy is stewing over the lost election at all...he doesn't have anything to 'get over'. He has the strength of his convictions and the peace of mind that goes along with being a decent person. If more people were like John by putting their money where their mouth is and kept trying to do the right thing, then Painesville wouldn't have the problems that it does. It's true that all politics are local and that the citizens get what they vote for; all one can hope for at this point is that John Murphy and others of his ilk do not give up. And it makes me wonder what the elitists on council are afraid of that they have to resort to underhanded methods to win at all costs. Where's the recall petition...I'll sign it.
Just because the Ohio Election Commission found no probable cause, that does not mean it was not true, only that they don't think it should go any farther, the little story in the news hearld, did not hurt John Murphy any.
Does it seem that Painesville is heading down the wrong path? Murphy would have surely taken this city and made it only worse? We would probably be ranked lower by Cleveland Magazine? What we are last? Cobblestone is a fine example of that. What kind of money do we we spend on our fire department? Then the chief says we do a "fair" job?
We elect someone to city council who should have to explain why we are third from the bottom in education in this part of Ohio? So we reward him?
Pipedreams of downtown? Everyone in the county is laughing at us.
Thank God they railroaded John Murphy who knows how bad thing could get?
If Dinallo and Fodor are just there to go along with Hada, well thats not a solution to anything. John Murphy wouldn't kiss Hada's ring. What a surprise.
Mary Poppins
A News-Herald questionnaire is not public record. Why would something that a private company receives from a citizen be public record?
I don't believe John Murphy lost the election because of True or False campaign charges. John lost the election when he openly recieved Mr. Gibbs support. What were you thinking John?
Murphy did not lose the election. It was stolen from him. There's a big difference there. He lost by under 200 votes, and those votes were stolen from him. We need a recall in this city so we can have honest elections, for one thing. The "dirty politics" that Hada and his gang play should have no part in this city or its elections. There is just really no excuse for that behavior, and there is no excuse for having people like that running this city.
Where are the recall papers. I'll sign. Does anyone know what all is involved in that and how many signatures are needed, etc.? Enough is enough. And what do we need to do to get rid of Horvath? We finally voted him out, and he is still crapping up the joint two years later.
I also hope that Murphy, Cimaglio, and the other handful of people that show up at every council meeting to watch over this city, the council and the council president, do not give up. I don't think they will. I hope they understand that now we need them even more than ever.
I can't even imagine what shape this city would be in if not for these dedicated citizens.
By the way, thanks Term for this well-run, important blog.
I think the world of John Murphy with that said what about all the concerns in Painesville we will be facing next year? Millstone, Cobblestone, Heisley Park,
developing the hospital site the right way, housing issues, gangs and a whole lot of other satety concerns. These are just for a starters. Now we might owe $3,000,000.00 dollars for what? Please don't expect 3 or 4 people to go to council meeting to carry the water for everyone. Believe me it makes them nervious to see others there.
The resident of Heisley Park send someone to every meeting, along with a State St. area resident that wanted to get the city to buy the school properties.
Let them know theres a new way of doing business in Dodge, and they will be held resposible, I like that word the CM will have to hold her administration to it.
This is for 11:53 a.m.: Why do you think the support of Mr. Gibbs would hurt John's election? I'm not informed enough on that to know what you meant. Can you tell me why that is your opinion?
Ok enough with all the rhetoric. Time to put up or shut up. Did the paper screw up or did John write that he had degrees from those places? Public record or not, this is a man's reputation on the line. John. Come on, put this to rest. Scan your questionaire from the NH and let Term post it here and all of us can be the judge.
No reason to speculate, if you feel you have been wronged then show us how horvath and hada were out to get you.
It's simple.
John, I'll let you decide what you want to do. I don't know what this will change but I will do it if you wish.
Funny how in Painesville you have to prove your not gulty, but no one has to prove you are?
John should putup or shutup. He made the accusations.
I think John just likes to whine about a reason he LOST!
Bill Horvath and Joe Hada saved Painesville from having that goof sitting on council. I don't really care how they did it only that he doesn't get to sit on council.
Recall petitions sorry I think you need more than a dozen signatures.
The claims against John have been dismissed, that should be enough proof for all of us. He doesn't need to and should not post his News-Herald questionaire here for all of the haters to pick apart. If the State of Ohio dismissed the claims, so should we.
If you have questions about the claims, talk to John in person. Unlike some others out there, he will take the time to talk to you.
I got to know John during the months leading up to the election and found him to be a sincere and well-meaning person. I hope he runs again and I will do whatever I can to suppot him. Painesville could use many more like John.
For 2:51: You say you don't care HOW John was kept off of council by hada and horvath? Doesn't matter as long as he was kept off? Boy, if that doesn't sum up what's wrong in the world, nothing does.
John has given me the questionaire from the News-Herald along with other items . A card with the AFL-CIO emblem on it ect. I will do my best to post these items as they appear.
I just hope this puts an end to the questions. Someone should ask Bill Horvath for his proof. I will be more than glad to try to put it up here.
John said the claims were malicious. If you post his questionaire then we will see if anyone had a basis to believe he had those degrees.
But either way I'm sure Horvath went by what was in the paper which John admits was not the truth. The only question remaining was did he misrepresent it to the paper or did the paper screw it up and decieve the voters.
The AFLCIO stuff stuff is another story. You'd have to talk to the President of the AFLCIO for why he said John didn't work there.
I have a card with the whitehouse emblem on it with my name, anyone can have a card for enything.
Did John state in the questions to the paper he had a degree? I attended Kent State but never received a degree. I always tell people I attended Kent. If he didn't mention it Old Bill would have asked why he didn't mention it. John just can't win.
Did John state in the questions to the paper he had a degree?
We will see when Angelo posts it. I doubt he ever will.
Its not a matter of when but how, and no he never stated having any degrees.
Give me some time if you don't have time I'll show you in person if that works for you?
I don't care how John Murphy lost...I just glad he did.
He is a loose cannon and I hope he is so broke he won't be able to run again.
Stay out of politics.
Term says he has proof, and I believe him. Maybe we should go back to the whole Rita-knew-there-was-an-incident-but-she-can't-remember-what-the-incident-was deal. I believe she and others should should have been sued over that one -- not to mention other things.
12/22/09 6:35 The person with the White House Card.
I am still trying to scan the questionaires onto this blog. maybe I will have to setup another site to view them.
While you're waiting go to this site
www.ula-ohio.org
Interesting go to about us.
Board of Trustees
Now look who the business representative is.
Candy Cane to the first answer on the blog.
Of course this will mean nothing.
Your right it doesnt mean anything. Horvath fiiled the charges not him. As hard as Murphy wants to be on council thats as hard as most will oppose him. He couldnt even beast Fountain who didnt campaign.
What the hey! Your so right you can't make this stuff up.
Interesting go to about us.
Board of Trustees
Now look who the business representative is.
Candy Cane to the first answer on the blog.
Of course this will mean nothing.
What is your point? Of course it means nothing. If it means anything, it means that He is more in the know. It means he knows the difference between the AFLCIO and United Labor. So of anyone, he would know when someone works for AFLCIO or United Labor. Show me a website of the AFLCIO that has Murphy listed as an employee. The statement has been made that he never worked there. Now it is time to rebut it.
The AFL-CIO runs ULA.
Funny the election commission didn't see it like that.
Its like Ford running Mercury.
I think you might better spend your energy on how long you're going to wait for an ambulance, and how the city is going to pay back AMP-OHIO?
So Robert Schiebi is the business repersentative for ULA? Save the candy cane.
Wonder how the President of the Lake County AFLCIO would get that job?
Thanks Term I get it even if the Hadanuffs dont. I'm starting to see him in a different light.
Mr. Schiebi was so concerned that his organization was tainted by John Murphy you would have thought he would be at the hearing to explain the sins of John Murphy. Schiebi did it as a favor to Hada and then walked away. Damage done.
I agree about the damage that Schiebi did and then just walked away. Another sick play by Hada and his gang.
And for whoever made the remark earlier that the "little" News-Herald article did not hurt Murphy's chances of getting elected -- that is, of course, absolutely not true.
It did what it was supposed to do -- and that was to lose the election for him.
I was planning to vote for John Murphy, then at the Candidates Night he responded "no comment" to a question concerning AMP-OHIO. Later, he spoke favorably about giving raises and heathcare to councilmembers. What were you thinking John? Lori, Tony and Jim got my absentee votes sent in days before the NH article.
WAY BACK IN THE PAPER ON THE DAY OF ELECTION, IT DID NOT HURT HIM, NOT MANY SAW IT, I READ IT THE NEXT DAY.....
For 9:29p.m.:
1) It was NOT way back in the paper.
2) Yes, it was on election day when MOST people vote.
3) You cannot possibly have the knowledge to say that not many people saw it.
4) You cannot possibly have the knowledge to say it did not hurt him.
5) He lost by under 200 votes. I believe that article (and the people behind the article) lost him the election.
I understand that there were people who would not have voted for him regardless, just as there were people who would not have voted for one or more of the others. That's not the point.
Having been in Painesville less then ten years,could someone explain the magic in Joe Hada's name. People seem to believe he can do or say no wrong. Is he the hometown hero? I guess hes a nice person I have never met him, and I'm not that impressed on how he runs a council meeting on the television. It seems to be a sin in Painesville to disagree with him. Now it seems he will get even with anyone who challenges him.
I don't know whats in Joe Hada's mind but at the last two meetings he has made little sense? He truly has made the argument for councilman Flock.
It is the first time I have ever watched him just ramble.
19 minutes to Chestnut St. yes I believe we have a problem. If bringing help into the city for as little as $100,000 that seems like a good deal, really a great deal if you were the one waiting 19 minutes.
Joe Hada is a great guy. Sometimes he justs alittle hard headed. He believes hes right and good luck getting him to change his mind.
I think John Murphy just rubbed him the wrong way.
For 4:04 p.m.:
I agree with your statements about Joe Hada and then some. It is my opinion that Hada is a phony. From personal dealings with him, I do not believe him to be the nice person he pretends to be (when he's not walking all over people,that is).
It is also my opinion from watching him in action that he will do whatever is necessary to shut people up when they do not agree with him, and to step on people in every way necessary if they threaten his power or opinions.
I hope John continues to run and get on council. I am a ward 3 resident and it seems we have a councilman in exile serving us. Joe Hada my neighbors won't listen to your dribble next time. We believe the only reason Mr. Fountain is on council is for insurance reasons.
Mr. Fountain I know your very ill and there must be some way that you could get someone to preform your job for you. The city has a crisis about safety and you the head of the safety committee, say nothing. Either you can't or don't care.
Mary Poppins
Joe Hada has found himself in a very ackward position.
The "Emperor has no clothes"
You think he babbled about Flocks amemndment wait until you hear his case for Amp-Ohio.
This will only clarify the picture.
KAREN
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