"YOU NEVER GIVE ME YOUR MONEY"
A very interesting thought crossed my mind the other day. Along with Cobblestone, Heisley Park, ect. I heard an appeal by a Painesville resident a James Dorsey wanting to make green space out of the State St. School property along with the Huntington, and Lathrop School property. I believe Mr. Dorsey is sincere in bringing this in front of not only the city council but also the school board.
Where do we get the money?
Well Mr Dorsey at a recent council meeting the law director explained an agreement had been reached in court with Willoughby Hills on the Roemisch estate.
Let me explain this to you, Mrs. Roemisch was a very wealthy lady that lived most of her life in Willoughby Hills, she moved to Painesville for the last five years to be cared for by her daughter Elaine Crane who is also a former Judge and present owner of Rider's Inn. When she died the city was sent a check for $452,000.00 of her estate tax. Willoughby Hills thought they were entitled to it. Through the courts Painesville received a settlement of $203,000.00 not bad work for someone who only lived in your community for less than five years. That $203,000 dollars was never figured into th 2009 budget because its almost like the city won a lottery. Where should that money be spent in the general budget? I believe money like this should be used to purchase things to benefit the city. State St. Park could be called Roemisch Park to benefit the citizens of Painesville and make it easier to purchase the other two properties for the people of Painesville.
I will be attending the 2010 budget meeting tomorrow in the Coe Room at Lake Erie College just to see if the leadership of Painesville sees this the same way?
*************************************************************************************Yes I got up 6:15a.m. to be at Lake Erie College to listen to the presentation of the citys 2010 budget. To start with it 10 million dollars smaller then 2009 budget.
I learned what the term "micro-management" meant today, why is the city manager afraid to let department heads speak for themselves? They seem like a bright bunch. Oh and to the council president I don't really concern myself with the response times of other communities either should you. Please worry about Painesville's response times. If its going to cost the city $100,000 dollars a year for Cobblestone, just a thought, but you might have given that some thought before you voted for the complex.
To some of you who may care, the $203,000.00 went into the general fund maybe they can fix a road or two.
It was an open public meeting, I went to the Circus I didn't participate.
posted by terminator1 @ 11:22 AM
37 Comments
37 Comments:
Green spaces/parks are an excellent idea for those old school sites. Maybe someone could come up with creative designs totally different than anything Painesville now has to offer, perhaps even finding a way to pay homage to those wonderful schools that stood there for generations by incorporating a salvaged remnant of the buildings (if that's even possible at this point!). (ps. my older brother went to school with a James Dorsey--apparently a brilliant young man who was class valedictorian at Harvey way back when. I wonder if he's the same one)
Now your drinking the Kool-Aid Term, Rita's got that money spent before that lady was in the ground. Look at out fine Community Center, Our state-of-the art Senior Center. The Municipal pools we have all over town. Thank Judge Chic he lets us use his courtroom or we would have the meetings in Veterans Park. You, Dorsey, and even God will never see that money. I think you know that already.
That moneys earmarked for them.
I would like to see more flowers....real ones in the summer and plastic one in the winter... Flowers make people smile!! :)
Thats what needs to be done with the money
Flower Power..
Peace and LOVE.... :)
Just a guess but I think you have had enough "plants" in your life, could be wrong.
The city does not need to buy the old school prop. we have parks that need work, if you turn them in to parks just one more place for the wineos and
I-ims to hang out.
Put it to a vote, the people would like better roads then more parks.
I've been wondering why my comment hasn't posted.
Answer:I will be attending the 2010 budget meeting tomorrow in the Coe Room at Lake Erie College just to see if the leadership of Painesville sees this the same way?
I'll have to check back this afternoon, when the meeting is over. After your nose is out of business that doesn't belong to you at this time. Isn't turning council meetings into a circus enough for you? Ya gotta make this circus act II?
Hate to be the party pooper but...
It's not really that much money.
Yes I checked thats the same James Dorsey that was class Valedictorian for the class of 1969.
Did anyone think to outsource? I don't believe the city couldn't find someone to maintain the cemeterys cheaper then the cost now. Do we really need 370 employees?
Mr. Rellik
If this meeting would have taken place at my job, we would have been home by 8:30. Government has no clue how to save money for they have no need to show a profit.
Term, What happened to KAREN? Where she been?
I have received two comments from her since the election, neither fit to be printed. When she finally comes down from the ceiling maybe she can post a comment I can print.
This just in from the Parks Division;
There will be no Nativity Scene at Veterans Park this Christmas.
This is not because of any religious reason.
The city cannot find Three Wise Men.
The search for a Virgin continues.
On a positive note we have no problem finding enough Asses to fill the stable.
With all the excess money in taxes we have received from annexing that land $100,000 seems more then reasonable to insure those peoples safety. We are making big bucks there right?
Read David Jones article in todays News_Herald. You just might be on to something?
I read it, I have been telling everyone on this blog. the same thing for the last six months. We in Painesville have at least three Republicans sitting on council. Hal Werner, Bob Fountain, and now Lori DiNallo. all with help from the Lake County Republican Party. I see nothing wrong with this, but as Mr. Jones stated what is the purpose? Remember these were all non-partisan positions on council. My only point is just maybe the
Lake County Democratic Party should get off their rear-ends and help some of the registered Democrats in these races.
Poll workers, phone banks, and probably the most important organization skills.
I'm sorry to hear that the funds received from the estate of Mrs. Roemisch has been lumped in with the general fund. Seems to me that gives them a short breathing space with a nice shot of income to boost the budget. Are they going to spend it and then next fiscal year cry 'shortfall'...and in the meantime we have nothing substantial to show for it. I really like the idea of more green-space for the neighborhoods. Don't worry about the winos, they never travel far from the social services downtown.
Term the last time I checked you build a house from the foundation, or basement not the second floor or the roof. This is what they are doing building there base from the grassroots. That is the proper way to find the next group of leaders. It is a very intelligent, and inexpensive way to build a base. The Democrats will start to figure this out when some of these people get elected into higher office. I agree its a non-partisan race but its still a race. This is happening all over the country not just in Painesville or Lake County.
I see a new Painesville councilwoman being groomed for county commissioner.
Mr.Rellik
Its not the people of Painesvilles money! It belongs to Rita and her cohorts under the Gold Dome.
some of you are slowly starting to see whats going on around here. For example I have heard many speak out against the Amp-Ohio deal where are the people and the facts that believe this is a wonderful opportunity? Come to council in support, 50 years who's making out on this deal?
You want to talk corruption?
KAREN
KAREN
How much could have been saved if the city had frozen wages this year and next? $17,000 every two weeks? $270,000 a year? The 372 must make a better living then 90% of the people in Painesville. Time for a "tea party" in Painesville. They are like the federal and state never have enough money and whine all the time about how overworked they are. Most couldn't last a day in the real world without there union. Is there a way the Township could annex us?
Let me get this straight. You want poll workers to get involved in the elections.
How do you propose they do this? Do we need Acorn to replace every worker at the Board of Elections? Maybe you should stand behind every voter and vote the way you want them.
You are so far off base on this that you are proposing election fraud. The workers at the Board of Elections and everyone who works the polls can not even discuss politics while doing their job.
Again you bring political parties into this. The last election, two Democrats and one Republican were elected. One D and one R will not return to council. Why bring past elections into this. Two R's and how many D's? What's your point? Seems to me that the people complaining the most about council being non-partisan are the ones that lose. Yes, Bob Fountain is an R. He votes the way he is told by WHO????? He needs to step down for not being able to do his job, but not just because he is an R.
To recap. One new Republican and one new Democrat and the person we all know you love, another Democrat were elected. Do you want all the R's thrown off and replaced with Hada cronies? More bobbleheads?
Exactly what do you want here. Who should be removed and who shouldn't be allowed to run for office in your opinion and why? I am for as many choices as possible and not to be stuck with the lesser of two evils.
I would like to see you post proof of all the help you seem to know that EACH political party gives to any candidate running for council. Both Parties. You know that all monies must be reported including those from the TWP. and fundraisers. Let's see the PROOF.
Painesville has almost 4 times the registered Democrats as they have Republicans. Maybe the problem this year was the difference in turn out. Most people didn't care.
If you eliminate candidates because of where they work, what party they belong to, their race, and even their sex, what do you have left? We need more people involved, not less. We need more informed voters, not less. We need to stop blaming people and start holding them responsible. It doesn't stop with this election or with the council or the school board races. There are the midterms next year.
If you think the Republicans are doing something wrong, then why is it OK for the Democrats. Just why are you afraid that one Republican got elected.
Mr Rellik
Commissioner???? A County office????
Little bit of a stretch, don't you think. You should talk to Murphy about that.
Well every person that got a raise in Painesville is added to the jobs saved or created by the stimulus package.
How many feel stimulated.
Badger, I was wrong. When I mentioned Poll workers I meant the people that work the polls. Holding signs, handing out rulers and so forth. I never meant the people who work the election machines or check names. I am at fault for not making that clear. My statement wasn't about candidates it was about what the two parties were doing to get people elected. Please don't try to tell me that no help was given to anyone.
Three out of seven on council are Republicans and by your own numbers the city is 80% Democratic? four times as many.
I say cheers for the Lake County Republican Party for a job well done. Now what?
Sorry the above comment was mine hit the wrong key. TERM>>
Badger did you even read Jones column in the News-Herald today? I understand after reading it what the point was did you?
R's, D's doesn't matter the two newbees elected will bobble better than the ones they replaced and Painesville will be stuck for another four years.
These two were hand picked by the council president. Ask either about Amp-Ohio and you will get this stange blank stare.
Help by a political party is a relative term. You can receive actual money, have other members of your party walk or pass out literature and or make phone calls. They can deliver signs, pass the word and as you say stand outside the 100 ft limit at the polls. You can also get positive or negative opinions or impressions, just for the party you belong to. You seem to imply a negative impression by your post about Dinallo and Fountain.
I believe most candidates start at school board or city council first is because it concerns people most likely to know that person. Hence, a cheaper election to run in. You have to start somewhere. I think you and others read to much into these races with involvement be either party. It's the money and name recognition. It is simply cheaper and easier to run for these local races.
They say money wins the race. Well, also hard work. No one worked harder or probably spent as much as John Murphy. Did he win. No. Fodor won how, maybe name only, who knows. Mr. R said Lori is being groomed for Commissioner. Who knows her outside of Painesville. Same with Fodor. How many come to council?The larger your number of constituents, the more it costs and the more people you need to know and meet. If you were to check the contributions to the various elections and candidates, I think you would find this to be the fact.
Let's face it, most people of one party believes the people in the other party are evil. People here have called me a hypocrite for trying to stop negative campaigning or wanting more people to run for any office. The more the better. I vote for the person I think is most qualified. I enjoy listening to people here who think they know how I vote. To me, that is personal. To others, it is being right or wrong. Am i always right, no. I also don't know everything. I do know that my vote is worth exactly the same as everyone else's.
I still fail to see how much either party had to do with Hada, Fodor or Dinallo getting elected. The only two who got over 1600 votes were Hada and Dinallo. Hada got in for name and Dinallo got in for name and hard work. Fodor who knows why? Name?
I will say again. Stop blaming one or the other party for our problems. We all elected them. You keep including Fountain only because he is a registered R. He's the biggest bobblehead there. He needs to resign now. We don't need to spend $6000 for a bobblehead. Of course WHO would name his replacement? I still say forget the party or blaming a party. We need to hold each council person responsible for their actions regardless of party.
I read with interest the discussion to purchase the land left vacant from the schools.
Seems people would like the ciy to purchase the land but the city does not have the funds.
I have a great idea. Why not ask the schools to donate the property to the city? Think back to when the new schools were being built and the school administration asked the city for reductions in fees and even freebies. This city waived ALOT of fees and GAVE the schools ALOT because they said they did not have enough money. I whish I knew the exact amount they conned the city and the residents out of.
Now is the time for the schools to pay it forward.
Badger, please introduce yourself to me at the next council or school board meeting you attend.
You do involve yourself don't you?
Is it true the city will not plow the sidewalks this winter?
I would like to know what Painesville has in savings, investments, and also in debt.
Thank-you
Term, I have stated before, the times of these meetings conflict with my job. I am forced to view the video tape. Sometimes I wonder if it is live or Memorex but in these times, I must protect my job. That being said, doesn't mean I don't read, listen or do a little research to what is going on in Painesville. I will say that I didn't attend council meetings while I was running for the position. ?????
I disagree with the article and you on the amount of support the candidates get from the political parties. I'm talking the about the money. This is a matter of public record and election rules state that this must all be reported. Do fellow Republicans or Democrats help, advise or encourage a candidate or friend with their race. Sure. Have you ever said "you should run for office"? Encouragement or advice here. But for the local races, I believe it is mostly friends and family. If you doubt this, check the people who attend the fundraisers and get a list of donations to the candidate. This is some of the proof I talked about in earlier posts.
I also happen to believe that someone isn't the best person for the job just because they are a Democrat or a Republican. If we want change then we need more choices. I have always said that.
Term, you are a D. You also helped John Murphy in his bid for election. Was this just because he was a Democrat like you. Maybe, but he was a friend and you believe in what he stood for. You could call him or stop at his house to talk to him. You might even walk door to door with him. You might donate a little money but probably helped with signs and endorsing him when you talk to other people around town. Maybe you stood outside at a voting place. This is the family/friends support I am talking about. I'm sure all the candidates had people like this. I see nothing wrong in this and have done the same for friends I know.
Now, how about Steve LaTourette or Sharodd Brown. I mention these two because you have talked about them here. Can, or do you call these officials at home? How about stop by to chat? Probably not. To support someone like this you/anyone usually must make a donation to his party. This is the money part of the support.
Do some candidates move just to run for an office somewhere. Probably. Would a Republican move to Cuyahoga County just to run for office? Doesn't make sense to me. Same as a Democrat coming to Lake County just to run for Sheriff. How about a Republican running against Judge Cicconetti? These elections would just be to hard to win. Both have done a good job and have the name recognition so they need very little to run for office. I also believe party shouldn't matter here either. I'm not saying this is right, just the facts of politics.
Maybe this is the grassroots effort the article talked about. Grassroots sounded like an evil thing in the article. "How many candidates are coincidentally registered Democrats or Republicans in Lake, Geauga and eastern Cuyahoga counties?" Is Jones surprised that people who run for office are politically active? Do we want people who have little knowledge as to what is happening in the city, county, state, country or world. In a perfect world, parties could be kept out or politics. We, as voters, need to get away from the political party, race, religion and cronyism and get to work to make Painesville a better place to live.
Sorry to hog the soap box today and you and we means anyone reading this.
I belive that the monies should be put into a Seniors Centre that they could call there own. The city now spends on another Park come people look out for the elderly. They are a forgotten bunch. Unless its something they need for the city. Or a community centre,to benefit all here. Get your act together..
Term, you ask if I am involved. If we are alive, aren't we all involved? There are all kind of ways to get involved in the community. Anywhere from the local level to the federal level. One can attend meetings, attend rallies, support charities, mentor youth, join a neighborhood block watch or the many other way to be a good neighbor. You know, the ones we grew up with.
As for politically, I vote every time, call to thank or to criticize members of both parties for the things I disagree with them on. Yes both parties at all levels get criticized by me. I will also write letters to all the above. I encourage people to vote and to voice their opinion by getting involved. Is that enough or the same as someone else? Yes and/or No.
Its really a shame that a town with our history and age lacks in so many things other communities take for granted. Just maybe our purpose is the welfare of 372 people, and to run three utilities?
It looks more and more like that everyday. Whats to attract new people to Painesville?
This town should be the envy of the whole county.
Dear Term,
3:16
I agree. My husband and I were born and raised (and married) in Painesville and I am saddened to see the state of the city at the present time. I too have blamed others for the Painesville problems at hand. I love and cherish my memories of growing up in the 70's in Painesville. It truly was "the best of times" for me. (The Rollerena, Angelas's Pizza, Lake Theater, Kresgees (SP?), Newberry's, Carlisle's, etc.) I no longer live in Painesville, (not because of the problems - my husband wanted L-A-N-D to accommodate his T-O-Y-S and his "Sanford and Son" junkyard fetish) but I do still CARE. Painesville is after all, the county seat of Lake County. I would like to see that "seat" reclaimed and looked at respectfully. I hope your new "people" can put their heads together with the residents and find a kick _ _ _! solution. I WISH I was some kind of political mastermind that could give a magical solution, but that's not my forte. (darn intellect!) :( I am concerned for the city even more now that the hospital is gone...Please know that there ARE people out there that support your causes. I wish the BEST of LUCK to all of you for the future. If "outsiders" can help, let me know...I'll spread the word.
Badger, Well said. I agree with the fact that there are many ways to be involved in your community and you said it best. We need all of the different groups of people in this town, the complainers, the quiet ones, the mild ones and everyone in between and out on the fringes. They all make the good balance that makes a town.
As far as your post TERM, I think that Painesville is what you make it. No, it may not be the envy of the County, but I am proud to tell people that I live here. I have made my own image for this City based on the things that I like to do. I support those things and hope that others do as well. I saw this years Party in the Park seemed to be one of the biggest yet. It takes time to make things great, as long as they keep going, so will I.
I focus on the good, as many well know. I boast about the towns history and am trying to learn more when I can. I loke knowing things about the town I live in and that makes this place, the envy of the County to me. It is what you make it. JT
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