Wednesday, May 4, 2016


Save the night time for your weeping

Sometimes it appears Painesville can't even get out it's own way?

Seems like everyday brings a new issue to the surface.

If killing a puppy isn't bad enough now we are going to fight over the dead at Riverside Cemetery?

Without getting into names let's just cut to the chase. A 60 year-old Viet Nam vet passed away two years ago and had his picture and dates engraved on his headstone. The city including our law director approved the headstone? Learned something new today. Our law director gets involved with headstones? Well according to the city the monument company at the request of the family had his 'colors' engraved on the back of the headstone, without approval from the city. As you might expect surrounding grave site visitors find the drawing of a skull and more, unsettling so close to their love ones. To mention here the grave site is not that close or near the family grave I have seen it and well thought "each to his own". That being said the cemetery has rules to be followed and I am more concerned with people just by passing the rules to get their way. Any veteran can get a plaque from the U.S. military to honor dead servicemen name rank as well as theater. That is what is on the back of most Veterans headstones.

Now I see everyone's side in this the dead man's family, people with loved ones buried near this grave site as well as Painesville's position.

The city has given the monument company 60 days to remove the inscription on the back of the headstone, or the city will do this  and charge the monument company.

How will it end? Probably in court along with everyone from the ACLU to church groups chiming in.

Just maybe if the family had made it's intention's known and the city refused they could have had the burial at a more accommodating cemetery?  Also let's hope the city is on the level about the monument company not asking for this request. As well as families understanding we all don't think the same way as well as beliving they are all in a better place?

Then again if the goal is to move up the # on that worse city, we are kinda on track.

Ignoring the facts, does not change the facts.


At May 4, 2016 at 6:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why is the city even in the cemetery business? This definitely seems like something that should be handled by the private sector.

At May 4, 2016 at 8:18 PM , Blogger Jim said...

Like you, I see both sides on this.
Did the family change the design after it was approved?
Who even knew there is an approval process?
If there is such a process, who gets the final say?
The LD has nothing better to do than worry about head stone designs? Well, that keeps him from negotiating any more bad contracts.
Does anyone near his gravesite care about the design?
Why do people who visit their loved ones care what is on someone else's stone?
Can this possibly end well for anyone?
Only in the 'ville!!!

At May 5, 2016 at 8:21 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Rules should be enforced. If they are on the books, they should be enforced. Period. Grave site or not.

Referencing the chatter about vacant homes being registered and all that: I closed on selling my home in Painesville recently and saw a $400 dollar charge from city of Painesville. A phone call was made and they found my paperwork after a couple minutes of looking. If you move out of your home, the drop off in your water meter reading starts this procedure moving. Get your paperwork in.

At May 5, 2016 at 9:50 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Sorry not each to his wn! This display offends me when I visit a loved one at Riverside.
Thank him for his service to this country, but really is that all it takes to ignore the law?

At May 5, 2016 at 2:10 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

As per 8:21's post: This city is sick. Just stupid and sick. Okay, we need a f'ing mayor. Now. Someone the people can vote in and out. Who in the hell would run this city and let this kind of crap happen...except for our last city manager also?

At May 5, 2016 at 3:42 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

So you are "offended"??
Have you even seen the stone?
I would suspect that the answer is that you have not actually seen it. If that is the case, how are YOU offended?
If you have seen it (in person), please tell us how it changed your life?

If the family changed the way the stone was to look from what was approved, that might be an issue.
However, realistically, stop looking for reasons to complain.
Life can be better if you don't let stupid stuff bother you.

My Brother is buried in that cemetery and this could not bother me less. I go there to visit his grave site, not to worry about stuff that is none of my business.

At May 5, 2016 at 3:50 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

2:10 What's sick about all this it is just the new ways cities use to generate revenue for a city. As little as 15 years ago communities never charged you for emergency services. One started it and all followed suit. Same with this vacant property ordinances many towns are climbing on board.
What we would need is a good mayor not just any f'ing mayor.
My biggest fear is soon we will see the end of reciprocity for city income taxes. Meaning the chance of being charged city income tax where you live along with where you work.

At May 5, 2016 at 4:18 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

3:42 I guess it comes down to did the stone change from what the city approved? Should that be a reason? We should never speak for others. It didn't offend me or you but I do understand it could offend someone else. Also with the cemetery having certain rules people expected they will be followed by all?

At May 5, 2016 at 4:44 PM , Blogger Jim said...

The loss of reciprocity should be a real concern for everyone.
IMO, this amounts to double taxation (taxed twice on the same money) and taxation without representation.
We fought the Revolutionary War over much the same.

In the end, it never really matters.
No matter how much money you give to politicians and beuracrats it is never enough. They will always over-spend and yet tell you it is because of inflation.

At May 5, 2016 at 5:11 PM , Anonymous TERM>?> said...

4:44 I do fear this is coming down the pike here as many other places. With a new levy or a renewal a promise should have to be made that this will stay in place while levies are in place.

On another note expect to pay $73.02 a quarter with WM getting the contract, Enjoy!

At May 6, 2016 at 12:28 PM , Anonymous Senor Painesville said...

WM did not get the contract. I have this on very good authority. Expect an announcement in June.

And as one of the people involved with the petition to save the tombstone, I'd like to thank the community for its support and council for taking up the cause.

At May 7, 2016 at 6:58 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

Senor Painesville nothing could be sweeter to my ears! Only one question why on the city website does it tell resident's to pay in June WM for the third-quarter? Getting that back would be a hoot.
I see no reason if the city has accepted a contract not to inform the resident's?

At May 7, 2016 at 12:25 PM , Anonymous Senor Painesville said...

Probably trying to collect what's owed on the accounts before the new company takes over.

At May 7, 2016 at 7:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wonder if there's any kickbacks written into the new contract, if there is we should all revolt


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