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I have lived in this city almost 40 years and I am at the point of saying the people of this city have gotten what they asked for by who they have voted onto council.
I have watched year after year when council members have been elected over better qualified people simply because of popularity, race, or gender.
The city needs some good business people on council to straighten out the way the city is run, but that will never happen because the city is 85% Democrat and most believe business is evil and always screws the little guy.
I truly believe a lot of Painesville voters are ignorant and will continue to vote for the "black guy, the "woman", or a person that treated me nice in school.
I'm sure this comment will get shot down by a whole lot of people. I expect it because that is what the residents of this city are good at, sticking their head in the sand and pretending all is OK.
Well does he/she have a point?
First off running for council has always been non-partisan position but numerous Republicans have served on council and still do. Lori DiNallo and Mike DeLeone are presently two examples.
Now let's pretend you knew nothing about Painesville. If you looked at the present council as well as the city administration would anyone think there was a substantial Black or Hispanic presence in town?
Interesting when you inquire an incumbent ask them what legislation they have proposed? Not what they voted on but what THEY proposed? Hate to say it but please ask for proof.
Next January looking at our School Board as well as our administration see anything other than white faces? Can't say it presently because Mr. Dillard will retire at the end of the year.
This city loves to praise it's 'Diversity', me I don't see it to much of that. Should 'Whitey' be the blamed?
No, not really until responsible Minorities come out and run for position this will remain the status quo in Painesville. And when they do take the time to listen to them and take them more then at just face value.
What I'm trying to say is there's no guarantee due to color of skin with anyone you vote for. Good or Bad.
I do agree with his comment about running for office just being a popularity contest. Brings back the days of High School elections, I amazed we presently don't have an adult prom queen and king pageant? We could give out a plaque!
And really does the above poster really believe Democrats reject and drive businesses out of town?
Most of the job creators are presently creating jobs in foreign countries and the sad fact is when businesses look at Painesville's demographics they figure there's more money to be made somewhere else.
I am surprised how many people were shocked with Kevin McCarthy gaffe that well Benghazi was just a ruse to bring down Hillary Clintons numbers? It's called turning a tragic event into a positive for your party. Along with a pretty good fundraiser!
posted by terminator1 @ 9:36 AM
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I have no idea who might have made that comment but, in my experience, the opposite is true.
While I can't comment on 85% of the City being Democrat (and I have to ask where that percentage came from), I can comment about chasing businesses out. IMO, it simply is not true. I am a little more on the "inside" than most of you (maybe all of you) so I see things that you might not.
BTW, I am not in the Administration.
One of the things I do see is a willingness to bend over backward to get businesses into the City. Actually to the point of ignoring rules and codes in order to entice them to come here. There are countless examples and I am sure there will be more in the future.
Being elected to Council is a popularity contest? Sure is but what election isn't?? From a National election to a local one, it is all about being the nice and popular candidate. Oh, maybe you were the best candidate too but that is not a sure thing.
Don't like the current Council members? The answer is to run against them OR help elect someone that you believe in. If you don't do something/anything, you are just bitching and nothing more.
Think about this each and every time you go to vote. Regardless of party, ask yourself, "Has this incumbent done anything to help me or anyone I know? Have they made something/anything better than it was when they were elected?"
If you can answer "yes", then by all means vote for them. If you can not think of something they have done in a positive manner, then simply vote for the other candidate.
After all, if they haven't done anything to merit your vote, why give it to them?
BTW, this is not meant to slam Term or anyone else. It is my thought as to why we get what we do in an election.
112:36 No slam but believe me I have talked with people who have tried to get a business going in this town. Good Luck with that proposition! Our reputation is viewed poorly.
Also presently I am so discussed with council.
The city is to get the best deal for residents on a simple thing like rubbish collections and what do they do? Like pigs they increase the pot for them by $96,000 to the city coffers? And what does council do? NOTHING they must be a lot more popular then I even thought?
AMP-OHIO just shut-up and pay your bill. We took a gamble and well we lost. No WE lost.
This is a do what we ask council, We being the city administration not the residents.
They couldn't solve a problem if they had an interest in it.
Presently This council just plain sucks!
I would like to see more issues come to the ballot. I have little faith in council to do the right thing for residents so let's make the decision at the voting booth. This stuff came up at the charter meetings and our former CM fought to have this part of the charter changed. It took too long to get to the ballot and was too expensive to put on the ballot. I disagree and believe it might get a few people to the polls to vote if they had a vested interest. Maybe we would have a bit more transparency. Let's vote on our trash contract, there seem to be a few more informed residents than crucial members. Yup, council is impotent and even greedy.
I have been warned by several peers not to put my business in Painesville. I listened and moved elsewhere. Looking back it was the right move to make.
Like the person said and was said many times here - don't like it? Then run for council yourself. But you have already said you wouldn't. So keep up the constant griping, offering suggestions as to how it would be better/different if it was done your way and keep pounding away on your keyboard, bashing away.
The Painesville Pravda arrived yesterday. Seriously does Deleone really expect us to believe his column? First why wait to thank someone after four years? Along with that person being so irresponsible to keep his council seat and salary but not attending most meeting or even answering his phone? An honorable person would have resigned and let the ward be represented. Maybe then this was all about the garage door painted in his neighborhood that he attempted to cover-up? Sorry not buying. Now I expect in next month Pravda edition to have a column by Jenkins coming to your door right before election. Probably thanking residents? How much she honors doing her job. I guess some will buy this but really don't theses two think anyone still has a brain here?
4:49 Trust the people/
5:14 A first for the blog. If four people running in each ward would agree to work together it might make a difference. Presently council is dysfunctional and it now appears to look like herding cats?
How could any of these seven look you in the eye and tell you have a great garbage deal? I'll keep pounding away and I guess you will keep complaining about me doing it.
I used to think I wasn't qualified to run for council now I realize I just have a conscience?
9:16 Really? It's may be odd he waited four years, as well as I agree the Ward wasn't represented. You believe the garage door was the reason for the column? He told me he tried to contact church groups as well as the NAACP? Before the neighborhood residents there covered-up the
Graffiti on the garage. Which I think wasn't a cover-up but a great reply from the neighborhood.
I guess we will wait until next month to see if your right about who writes the column. Ask Councilman Flock why he doesn't ever write the column? It seemed in the past a former city manager wanted to censor his writing. Hey, You want to censor the column you write it.
Can't wait for Mike to see the billboard!
To 9:16. Get your facts straight! Councilman Deleone did NOT attempt to coverup anything regarding the writing on the garage door. The neighbors pulled together to clean and repaint the door. You are making things up and spreading false lies, in writing I believe that is called libel.
Mike who?
What billboard?
10:45 Although like you I didn't see this as a "cover-up" you would be amazed at the number of people around town that agree with 9:16?
As I have conversations with people I am constantly reminded of: "Well, did there ever catch who did it, some assistant county prosecutor?"
What do I tell them? The case ended the same way as the Harvey bomb threat?
One older lady mentioned the gambling machines in stores in Ward III that even let children play? She also mentioned machines now being played in the back room? She asked me if I ever asked the councilman about that situation? I said I had and he asked that his answer be left confidential?
McCarthy did not say that about Clinton and Benghazi. That was not his meaning, and not what he was trying to say. He is being misquoted by the media and the Democrats and now by you. His words were twisted. Read his quote. And did you see Clinton during the last investigation into Benghazi? Sitting in the hot seat and flailing her arms and yelling repeatedly what does it matter what happened, it's too late now. She never did answer the questions, and I'll tell you why. Those poor people begged and begged for help for months before their murders, and it never came. And in the end, the people that tried to help them were not even actually in charge of helping them, but they were keeping an eye on them, because they knew they were in danger. I believe one of the men that came to try to save them was also killed.
McCarthy's words are being twisted, and you are repeating it, and Clinton got away with people being murdered on her watch; people who knew they were probably going to die without her help, and her help never came. I watched the previous hearing, and I couldn't believe how she refused to answer the questions, and how she got away with it. She needs to be help accountable for the terror or what happened there.
Gosh 9:16 you kind of sound like attorney...... Hmmmmm.......
And now can we get back to the discussion on arming teachers....... This country has lost its mind! And to quote Jeb Bush, "stuff happens everyday". Wow!
1:52 You got me started today.
First you have a right to your opinion but not the facts.
There was no misquote, I heard him answer the question asked of him and his reply. My answer to him would be not one Democrat step into that sham committee again. question asked and answered.
Benghazi, Not a State Department outpost but a C.I.A. outpost the question to ask was why was our ambassador there? Last I heard the State Department didn't run the CIA?
People begging? I don't think so, and haven't heard proof.
The question should be asked what those people in the twin towers were thinking on 9/11? What information did Condoleeza Rice not disclose to the President on the days leading up to 9/11? Wonder what those that died in the Pentagon attack thought when they learned that front line jet interceptors were not armed on that day at Andrews AFB? Who shared the blame there? Next the administration attacks Iraq on false information, who collected the information?
Who got Osama Bin Laden, and who said they don't think of him much anymore?
Some believe that Obama is a Moslem with no proof. and at the same time tell us he was born to an American mother in Kenya yet at the same time have a Presidential hopeful born in Canada to an American mother and a Communist Cuban father? (Cruz) Somehow that's OK?
And where did we borrow the money to fight this war? And at the same time gave us a tax cut for the wealthy?
Don't look now but your Party is about to implode.
The difference between the two Parties is simple. Democrats care about the American people and Republicans care about their Party. To finish
He said what he said!
You got ME started, so.
OH ….come ……on…. TERM!
Of the two parties, the democrats have always shown me that they care more about party unity the most, first and foremost. Absolute arm in arm lockstep, you will comply with headquarters. The senate and the house democrats dare not stray to far from the party line.
The republicans have always shown me that they fight too much on principal and need to learn from the democrats.
No party is imploding. One party's operative will put out talking points saying this party is imploding, to rally their troops. The other party will say that the other candidate is desperate, bla bla bla. What you said sounds just like what the republican say.
I see it in a four group thing here.
1. The RNC
2. The DNC
3. Conservative thinking
4. Liberal thinking.
Within 1 & 2, there are politicians. Politicians are a scourge. Amassing their power and personal fortunes is what drives them.
Within 3 & 4 there is the fringe and extreme addenda groups that overstep, over speak, lie cheat and steal to get THIER way. They appeal to whatever party will pay attention to them. The American people suffer these idiots constantly.
We all get our information through someone else's filter, agenda, manipulation etc. How can anyone make an intelligent decision? I vote for number 3 or 4, not 1 or two. The parties (and there are only two) try to out do eachother and try to get a killing blow. They make most Americans sick. A ripe situation for the communists aye TERM? Is anyone old enough to remember how communists, fascists and national socialists take over a country? Make any sense TERM? This isn't about TERM, so don't take it personal. But is about America.
Term,
I beg to differ.
One side doesn't care about people and the other side doesn't care about their party.
The ONLY thing either side cares about is being re-elected.
12:14 Point well taken, this is on any level of politics.
11:10 This all started over a stupid remark by a guy who want's to be speaker of the House. Let me explain why I believe I view myself as a Liberal or a Progressive.
When our founding fathers decided to form this country was that a Conservative or Liberal idea?
When this country finally decided to free the slaves was that a Liberal or Conservative idea?
By point being Conservatives like a comfort ideology with little change. Where Liberals right or wrong in my eyes seem to be always looking for a better way.
I guess I might understand the 4 groups in a different light.
Term 9:41, this is 1:52. First of all, I'm not a Democrat or a Republican. Secondly, you can dredge up as many things as you want to hide what the one issue is, and that is that McCarthy did not say that. Go back and read his quote, because that is not what he meant. Thirdly, she needs to answer the questions about why these people begged for help for months and she didn't help them. The Republicans want her to answer the questions that she refused to answer in the first inquiry, and so do I. You need to look up the facts before you just follow the media and shoot off your mouth. People died on her watch, and the American people deserve answers, and what we don't deserve is her throwing up her arms saying it doesn't matter because it's over with. She needs to answer the questions to see what happened, and to make sure it doesn't happen again. Go back and watch the first inquiry, and see how she behaved and how she refused to answer the questions.
1:39 Sorry, I watched him say what he said and there was no misquote.
In my eyes you have zero credibility even Republicans are quoted saying it was a stupid statement to make, and will only garner votes for Clinton.
This is 1:39 to 1:43. Just continue on with your knee-jerk, incorrect Democrat information, because I'm not arguing with such a know-it-all. Go back and watch the first inquiry, and watch her throw up her arms and refuse to answer the questions. Go back and read McCarthy's quote; it's not what he meant. Yes, she'll go along with the misinterpretation to get votes, but hopefully most Americans are smarter and less narrow-minded than you. And I'm done. You just keep spouting party line junk -- that's what's got America in such a mess. As for me, I'm waiting for her to answer the questions. Maybe they're hidden in her missing emails.
I don't understand 1:39 first you claim it's a misquote and in the same sentence you claim it's not what he meant? Big difference, I also have watched his statement and what he said he said? Sorry that pretty much ends the hearings for me.
I guess yes most of us get our news from the media. Now where do you get yours from?
Plus why is it that Republicans always have a hard time admitting they are Republicans?
After the Planned Parenthood hearings last week I wonder why anyone would subject themselves to be attacked as that woman was. I guess that's why there called hearings because that woman was never given an opportunity to say anything. As well as the chart at the end of the meeting, first it made no sense and wasn't even a planned parenthood chart?
No McCarthy stepped in it big time and we ALL understood.
Also in the debate Fiorina mentioned a fetus but admits this video didn't come from planned parenthood. My question can we trust a leader of the free world to show us doctored videos about a national crisis?
3:21...I am an ex-lifelong Democrat, and I am NOT a Republican. For you to make that assumption means that you don't care what the facts are, because you are just another knee-jerk partisan political talking head. Also, you want to mince words of one Republican, who I think clearly did not mean that they set up the hearings to get Clinton politically, but what he was saying is that the hearings are there, she is dishonest and the American people are seeing that. He went on to say in an explanation that the hearings have nothing to do with politics and everything to do with the consequences of what Clinton has done and her confusing, conflicting, and demonstrably false responses in the previous hearings. For you I say, forget the politics and go back and listen to the first hearing. If you don't want to know why those four people in Benghazi not only lost their lives, but lose them in such a horrible way, then I would hope you would stay out of the way of the people who rightfully do. This has nothing to do with Planned Parenthood or anything else you want to drag into it. This has to do with the horrible, untimely deaths of four people under Clinton's watch, and her avoidance and lying during the first hearings. For you to say the hearings are over for you based on this one man's remarks, makes you just another party-blind, narrow-minded, immature American; you and Term make a good couple. Ugh.
I just saw Clinton's new ad where she is using PART OF McCarthy's statement to her political benefit. Problem is, she left out the rest of his statement, which was "Her numbers are dropping. Why? Because she's untrustable. But no one would have known any of that had happened had we not fought to make that happen." He's talking about what happened in Benghazi. I suggest that the Republicans start an add which shows Clinton at the hearings flailing her arms while she refuses to answer the questions of the committee, as she angrily and loudly asks them what does it matter now, and tells them it won't change anything. She's using McCarthy's statement to turn the tables and help her cover up what she doesn't want anyone to know about Benghazi. He didn't state it very well, but he was trying to say, as he explained later, that it was about her confusing and false responses to the questions at the hearing. I hope the Republicans show some clips from those public hearings, as Clinton was a frightening sight to see, and I was aghast that she got away with it. I would think that if someone refuses to answer the questions openly and honestly at a federal hearing that they should be in jail, but I guess that's not what happens. I guess they stay free so they can cover up some more of their tracks.
8:05/ 5:02 Well your making progress, you went from misquoted, to misunderstood to he could of said it better? Maybe soon you will wish he hadn't said it at all?
I have listen to his statement again. Do you remember the question that was asked before the made the statement? It was basically "Since Republicans gained control of Congress since 2010 what is your biggest accomplishments? The answer forming a committee and look how her poll numbers have dropped. That's your accomplishment?
I then went back and listened to Clintons remark about "it doesn't matter how it happened" Listen to the question as well as her WHOLE answer. The argument was about who killed the Ambassador a bunch of street thugs, ISIL, al Qaeda, whoever that's where the focus should be. Please look at those transcripts.
Many Republicans claim McCarthy's comment was a 'gift' and sorry it was.
Democrats will leave the committee and then it becomes a witch hunt.
Also some wise person mentioned to me when people revert to name calling, narrow minded, party hack, immature sorry you have lost.
You have your opinion I have mine we will just wait and see where the general public comes down on this.
Wonder if councilman Deleone would have said such glowing things about former councilman Fountain if he wasn't a republican? Or does he fear a segment of the voters?
That's right...Clinton said it didn't matter who killed the people...flailing arms and all. And that's okay with you?...she's running for president. That's your argument? Ugh. I don't have to go back and watch the tapes; I have already seen them. It was her job to know and to protect them when they pleaded for help for months, and she had no idea then what danger they were under, even though they repeatedly told her, and she has no idea now what happened due to her non-action. And now she's using half of a statement, instead of using the entire statement to her advantage to help her cover up that they are telling the truth and she evaded answers, etc. during the hearings. Yes, let's see if she'll actually answer the questions this time instead of blaming another one of her cover-ups on the "vast right-wing conspiracy." Remember, she thanked the previous committee for doing such a good, non-partisan job. Let's see if this presidential candidate can quit hiding truths this time and actually answer the questions.
Term 12:02. See where the American public comes down on this? Answer: Nowhere. Because most of the American public are party-blind, narrow-minded, and immature, just like you and 3:21, and they haven't and won't even notice. They'll just stick by their party; be against the other party; and they won't demand answers or even care. And that's how America has gotten into this horrible mess as a country. The politicians are no better than the average American, and are just out for their own good, and their own party, and to hell with what the country really needs or what is really going on. And here you are saying her flailing arms were okay because she was just not answering WHO murdered our people. No matter that she sat by for months and let it happen, regardless of their pleadings for help, and no matter that she STILL has no idea who did it, and the flailing arms are to cover that up. Therefore, the American government has no idea what happened there yet. But let's just keep standing on those party lines and blaming the Republicans. And apparently the Democrats are happy to let her use a half of a statement in a national ad campaign FOR PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA because, you know, she's a Democrat, and we must stand by those party lines. It used to be that the media fleshed a lot of this out, but the media is mostly completely inadequate now, and just standing on those party lines like the rest of America and they, too, just forget the rest of his statement about her dishonesty. Not a brain to be found or a mature approach to anything. We have no idea what happened there, even though the people who were murdered were scared as hell and begging for help, and we don't know who did it, and we probably never will, while Clinton covers up what she did and didn't do and is now blaming it back on Republicans in a national ad. And I am not sticking up for Republicans here, except for this one instance, as I find almost nothing to respect there, either. But I do respect their right to get to the truth about Benghazi, and I do understand Clinton's need to cover it up.
Anonymous 5:02, bunches of respect on you sir!
TERM, I listened to McCarthy’s comments on TV last night. One must take it out of context to come to your conclusion. You also have to be a partisan from the opposing camp to come to your conclusion. I DO see how it was SO easy to flip this around. They created this Benghazi committee to look into something that the administration wanted to sweep under the rug. And it produces information that causes the "Secretary" some embarrassment. (Because it’s true) That also caused her numbers to go down. Too bad he couldn't find the correct phraseology to state that and avoid this turmoil.
But that’s what partisans do. Wait for a mistake and SPIN IT. Spin doctors are worse than ambulance chasers and used car salesmen.
5:33 I see it makes little difference seems Kevin McCarty wants no part of the Speaker of the House job? Another notch in Clintons belt?
Listening to all this what has that woman done? Does she even have a criminal charge?
Seems Kevin let the cat out of the bag and now must walk the plank.
10:06 I am surprised. You know Republicans can't even run themselves how will they run the country?
He as you said let the cat out of the bag and no amount of misquoted, not what he meant, he was misunderstood can change that. Presently Dems should avoid the hearings and Clinton should show up and embarrass them even further. A simple witch hunt out of fear this woman can't be beat.
OK now some of you please explain again how I'm wrong. It appears there's no one with a backbone in their party? Or am I wrong.
10:31 Just maybe your side should give some thought before they what 8 times drag a Presidential candidate through the mud. What results do you have a party in Chaos. Don't like her it's simple don't vote for her.
10:31 You know what's comical? You try to get rid of Clinton but end up getting rid of Boehner and McCarthy!
Please o please bring on that Chaffiz guy!
Best title to this, Another one bites the dust!
I believe the Benghazi hearing is where they uncovered Clinton's email situation, and look how hard she has tried to cover up those. But still you Democrats (I am not a Republican) continue to stand right on the party line. Scary. Narrow-minded and immature. Ugh.
(10:31, that wasn't Term at 4:41. That was me but, yes, it does describe Term, doesn't it?)
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