"PEOPLE GET READY" (THERE'S A TRAIN A COMING) curtis mayfield
All you need is faith to hear the diesel humming
Recently I have been privy to some e-mail with concerns of Heisley Park resident's and the CSX, NS railroads.
I got to thinking about this this weekend at a family outing in Ashtabula. Heisley Park came up and some one mentioned "oh that place with the trains?" (your getting a reputation) Yes I admitted the trains run up and down the streets there without a care in the world.
So let's get back to the honest facts. Heisley Park was built with the mainline of the CSX railroad to the north approximately 90 trains a day. To the southwest NS mainline between Chicago and Buffalo approximately 40 train a day. The two railroads run side by side about a mile to the west of the city limits.
Painesville annexed the property and soon Ryan Homes built a development in that tract of land.
So to the residents more honesty the main reason other than you might like trains for your purchase was cost. That same house built in Mentor or Concord could cost you 40% more. So price was a major factor, it wasn't the ambiance of being in a V shaped area surrounded by trains?
Were you under an assumption the trains were leaving?
So recently a resident complained about a new signal bridge erected by CSX where four tracks merge into two due to the rail yard on Lexington St. No the railroad doesn't have to acquire a building permit to erect this state of the art signal bridge. No it can't be moved further to the east, that sorta' defeats the purpose right? No city employee, manager state representative or Congressman can do anything for you. Honestly they would probably wonder if you didn't see all the railroad tracks? Kinda' like living next to an airport and complaining about planes. The trains were there 150 years before you were and will be there 150 years after your gone.
Live with it!
But... there is a problem if people in that development had any idea what those trains rumbling by at 50 plus MPH and knew what was being carried in their cars, look it up on the internet. They would live in fear every time they heard a diesel horn. Why?
In the city's and developers wisdom there was never enough of a buffer between the tracks and the homes constructed on that plat of land. Greed ran the table by the developer also by the purchaser looking for a great deal everyone. The city's first responsibility is to provide for a safe community, but greed won out.
I can't believe these lots were even considering the location next to the tracks. In this case there is no living on the wrong side of the tracks, it's just being close to them.
On a second note the reality that there is only one way in and out of Heisley Park could add to a higher cost in lives as a result of a disaster. This should be corrected as well as the city having an evacuation plan in place. That people should be your major concern
Spend more time getting the city as well as your HOA to have a working evacuation plan and more access to HP and less time on railroad signals.
Just thinking, if Carly Fiorina was such a great CEO at Hewlett-Packard why hasn't she been offered another job in the last ten years?
posted by terminator1 @ 12:57 PM
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28 Comments:
I said it before and I will say it again, did no trains go by when you were looking at the purchase of your house?
Did you not see, or hear, the trains?
Did you not see the tracks?
Why is any of this the fault of the City?
Oh, the City has some responsibility in the development of this property but none of the things asked above are because of anyone but yourself.
Good luck!
That's right blame everybody but the people that bought a house near the tracks. That's the problem with the world now - its everyone's fault but their own. Lesson to learn Don't buy a house near the railroad tracks. Its not like they were there first and then someone built the train tracks. Its their own fault.
2:534/3:43 Agree.
But do to the oversight the City of Painesville taxes you to provide some responsibility must be shared.
Why in God's name were they allowed to build those homes that close to the tracks? Do other communities do this? If not why?
There should be at least two exit points out of that community.
Simply they are there now and what is our responsibility?
On another note they must be happy, no resident in HP has ever challenged Paul Hach?
So who are you blaming? It appears everyone.
I agree they need another exit point more sooner than later, what if there was a major accident or there was a fire closing off access to their entrance than god forbid somebody had a fire or needed an ambulance for a life threatening emergency further in the development, even Mentor Headlands and Painesville Township Park have at least 2 access points
America does not have the time to really know national candidates before an election. We always find out after.
Barak-There were those with correct negative facts about Barack, but because he was black and pretty, he blasted past everyone else.
Hillary. America has had the time to understand the Clintons and know what drives Hillary. The manufactured persona has been debunked. Will she win because she is female? Cause that's all she really has.
Carly-Will America buy another female manufactured persona? She's the new kid on the block in politics. Some time's CEO's are hired to do tuff things that make them look bad later. She will have to answer Trump's accusations at some time. But as a CEO you DO have to perform, for real A politician has underling's and advisors to do it all, for them. They just manage the politics. Will Carly succeed just because she's a woman?
Ben. He's black. Talks nice. Has some brains. What else is there. What makes him so popular?
Will America elect a new prez just because of race or gender or looks? Are Americans that stupid? I'm asking a question here.
For gosh sakes! What about all the houses that are up against the tracks all through Painesville. I don't hear them begging for a sound barrier or complaining about the noise. It's just a fact of where we live. But I'll tell you, if the city caves and does something for Heisley Park, then I will start a movement to get something all along the whole stretch of tracks in Painesville. Only fair! Same thing over on Asper development. Those tracks were there, they put the houses right there and then the purchasers, who got big grants to move there, complain of the noise. I think the builder actually put up the tree barrier. I hope it wasn't the city.
5:56 Your right. First the Developer for building homes that close to the tracks. The City for letting them and third the Resident. They had options and the option they took might have saved them money , but let's pray it is just an inconvenience. Both trail lines transport Bakken formation crude oil from the Dakota's. Look up Quebec train disaster a few years ago 47 dead. Yes and those trains rumble through Painesville everyday.
Asper Park yes I worry there to the west of the development is something the railroad call a 'plant' this is a crossover for the two main lines as well as entrance to the yard. Many derailments happen at these 'plants. Asper Park should never have been approved.
5:04 Many things could change in the next year.
Check-out other area communities and what their charters state must be done for many new sized developments. On the ballot and voted-on by the people of their community. Mentor has one going on right now.
3:08 Your correct after watching the vote council did for Windmill Estates no way should that decision been left to Seven people who really don't care what the consequences of their legislation will mean to Painesville's future.
The vote s that council takes in time will haunt Painesville residents for decades. Prairie State is a good example.
Isn't this where Painesville city manager lives? Is this why all the fuss? Since he is at a conference on the west coast, are you taking up for him now? Funny too his new park and rec director is away too. Coincidence? And with a cash strapped city, where is this money coming from to attend another "conference" across the country? Hey council, here's another one for you to solve. Or, maybe he's job hunting and has an interview?
5:21 Best you stay Anonymous. let's answer your questions first
Yes that's where he lives. No I'm not talking for him now. Coincidence? Well he's in Washington State and she's at a conference in Columbus and what a rotten thing to imply with no evidence!
If he isn't job hunting he's a fool. I for one wish him luck.
Is this Bakkan stuff transported on the Cedarbrook tracks? Is it transported on all or most of the tracks in the city? If so, why just fuss on Heisley Park, why not represent the entire city dude?
3:33 Well Dude, yes NS does but no where near the amount that CSX does.Someone mentioned just worry about the trains heading east?
The fuss I make about Heisley Park as well as Windmill Estates was that we had an opportunity not to add more homes near the tracks. Many homes in Painesville we built next to the tracks in the 20's and 30's and were cheaper lots. I question a city that develops a housing project that close to the tracks. If you remember the derailment on CSX a few years ago what if Windmill Estates was already developed? See the possible carnage?
Thinking now I wonder if residents on Trailwood feel about tracks so close to them? Yet they never complain because they knew the tracks were there?
Sadly I get the idea people living in Heisley Park seem entitled to special treatment some way? Plus Trailwood see's nowhere near the traffic of trains per day. OK DUDE?
Carly Fiorina, Great idea!
Make a lie big,
make it simple,
keep saying it,
and eventually they will believe it!
not your idea but Hitler's!
I don't see what the amount of train traffic has to do with it. More trains the higher the risk of having that stuff and an accident. But all it takes is one - one train & one accident. You'd think it would be a concern for everyone in Painesville and the entire country with homes near a track. Not such a fuss from a few residents and one non resident.
I really like the fact that Carly got Hewlett Packard to ship her big old yacht across the US on their dime. It then as you know that is a tax right off under moving expenses. Let me think...... Where did Carly go after HP?
3:33 got proof? How do you know this? Someone tell you this? Someone in city hall? Sorry, without proof its just another story.
Just another line of thought on this issue but not involving HP at all.
Are tank cars filled with chemicals dangerous? Maybe and probably.
However it is my understanding that each RR tank car holds approx the amount that would require three over the road trucks. IOW, for a 100 car train, it would requires +/- 300 more trucks on the road.
Now the question I ask is, which would you rather have? Which is safer for the public?
Certainly accidents can happen but I think I would say that road accidents are more likely than RR accidents.
Besides, when the cars on a RR, we know exactly where they are at all times. The same could never be said for truck traffic.
Heck, even a pipeline (and we know how popular those are) is not immune to damage.
In the end, the product has to get from point A to point B in some manner.
Which is the best?
5:04 If you knew how many of those tank cars were never built to haul that stuff you would be amazed? Presently the FRA is in the process of making those tank cars replaced by safer cars. There are responsible ways to transport this crude. Ever wonder why you never hear of say trains from say Texas having this huge explosions?
3:33 Yes all those tank cars are carrying maple syrup and Nestle Quick. never mind all the Ethanol.
Bakken Shale oil is volatile and contains large levels of combustible gas along with the energy industry didn't install oil field equipment to stabilize the crude as they do in say Texas.
One million barrels a day in 2015. in 2007 9,500 tank cars trips that moved carrying crude oil. last year well over 400,000 carrying crude oil trips
My math tells me that's a 4000% increase now do you see my concern?
Term
5:04 here.
Several questions.
"If you knew how many of those tank cars were never built to haul that stuff you would be amazed? Presently the FRA is in the process of making those tank cars replaced by safer cars."
What is the design that is going to make them safer? How does the new design work?
"There are responsible ways to transport this crude."
Such as??
"Ever wonder why you never hear of say trains from say Texas having this huge explosions?"
Never heard such a thing. Do tell, why is that?
"Bakken Shale oil is volatile and contains large levels of combustible gas"
Is there any sort of petroleum product that is not volatile?
What is it?
12:25 Without getting to technical most tank cars are classified as DOT-111 new rail tank car design will have tank cars with electronic braking (very expensive) plus new tank cars must be sturdier built.
Shorter a slower trains no more mile long unit trains traveling at 60mph..
Texas has a process where the most volatile gases are removed before moving in a tank or oil pipeline Dakota energy producers don't utilize this process and makes the Bakken oil more dangerous to transport.
Look over 99.9% oil transportation arrives safely it's those glitches I am concerned of . But like some tell me "stuff happens"
3:33 asked if you have proof that said department head was actually in Columbus?
Nothing to do with the trains, yeah, we know there are trains, traffic and hazardous materials. But if someone just told you she was not across the country, why would you believe what someone says?
Where's the proof? I mean really, who would lie to you or us?
11:57 You know if you were so concerned they were both at Monday's council meeting, step-up and ask. Where's YOUR proof? Or is your goal to stir-up s#*t>
9:14am, I thought stirring up s#'t was your goal!
Not stirring anything.What you call stirring the s#'t is what you do.
11:59 I guess if telling you your getting screwed on an electric contract, or a rubbish contract. Along with other screwy things, how ridiculous development as well as zoning requests,well I guess I'm guilty.
Again you can't make some of this s#*t up. Can you?
We are getting screwed by the hiring of the rec director. She doesn't have the REAL qualifications only the "new" lower expectations. And what does she make? Big bucks for a non-educated landscape bookkeeper. Now she's re-decorating the entire office on my tax dollars. Do you remember when chief Powalie came? He did the same thing. Why? Not good enough for them? They don't even live in this town and are taking money from us. Like stealing candy from a baby. Isnt this city broke? Who approves this? Oh, that's right your buddy Mr Carson does.
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