"CAN'T GET NO" rolling stones
SATISFACION.
It's time to hear something the Anti-Amnesty, Deportation crowd must come to grips with. You won't hear this from any local, county, state or federal office holder Their sole purpose is to be re-elected. Me I'll tell you the truth. The Deportation ship has sailed..... The Anti-Amnesty train has left the station.
A comment from a recent post on this blog.; "We have taken our show on the road" We have testified in Columbus wrote letters, called every representative, organized rallies, petitions, and much more than most people against illegal immigration have....
Ever wonder why nothing happens?
Who are the political leaders in your movement from the states of California, Texas, Florida and New York? Look Steve King of Iowa might be a supporter but how much juice does he have?
What I'm trying to tell you the politicians do not see the outcome of your goals benefiting either party or the county.
Letter from a city council? Who at the federal level would even care? A candidate for county commissioner goal is to no longer see the Mexican Matricula Consular Card honored in Lake County? Any plans to deport them? and if not why not? Juan ain't heading to the border over a card being refused is he?
The Conservative Matt Lynch running for Congress in our district, wants to defund Obamacare, impeach President Obama, replace the Speaker of the House but yet not one word on illegal immigration. Why?
Can you name one organized religious faith that support your views. If not Why not?
Where are your supporters, who are they, they presently seem to be for the most part just seem to be Anonymous people. Why no million people march on Washington D.C.
Look if to truly care of the future direction of this country, come to the table with workable solutions. Stronger border control, fines and fees for breaking the law, people must learn to speak English, a citizen test. yes and if your goals are met Amnesty. It's coming it's pretty much up to you the terms and conditions of how this will come about.
Within another 15 years the "baby boomers' will either be retired or dead, where will the replacement workers come from? We presently don't have enough.
Then again disregard this and continue to let the politicians blow smoke up your A##!
posted by terminator1 @ 8:51 AM
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94 Comments:
When George W. Bush tried to legalize all the illegals, there was a huge outcry from all the individuals and groups to stop it, and it was stopped. The government was inundated with marches, phone calls and letters, etc., and it was stopped. They have not, however, been made to leave. Neither party will get them out now, because they are stupid and think they can win their votes. And for some reasons, Americans stopped some of the fighting then. If all Americans who want them out gathered together again, we could not only get them out, but we could make this country change it's policies which keeps perpetuating this problem. It is up to the people, as our politicians are idiots. They don't even realize that once they are legal, it will only be a very short amount of time before the only people holding any offices in this land are Hispanic. So the very offices they were trying to hold onto will be lost to the Hispanics along with the country. It always has been, and it remains, up to the people, so why enough people aren't doing it, I don't know. They are mostly leaving it up to someone else to do the fighting for them, I guess. But if all Americans who want them out, stood up together, they would be out, there is no doubt about that. Time is running short, though. But to say that the people have had no success is 100% wrong. They would have been legal long ago if it was up to the politicians.
If previous generations were like you, we would have lost America long ago. When I was a kid (I'm 60 now), and for years after, until about 20 years ago, it was a given that the Mexicans and other field workers from outside the U.S. would go home when the season was over, and they did. They didn't start really staying until about 20 years ago. My father and grandfather's generations made sure of it, and they made sure that things happened in the best interest of America and Americans, not people of other countries in this country. I am sure that when the Constitution was written, they did not foresee this happening, and I believe they would expect us to step up and fix it in the light of modern day. In generations before this, as I said, nobody took such an informal attitude on what was happening in this country, and this illegal problem would never have been able to happen, let alone continue to go on. I could have no respect for anyone who is willing to sit by and let America be lost, let alone condone and advocate for it.
Your issue of not enough replacement workers: For one thing, there are probably 20 million illegal Mexicans here and probably another 10 million from other countries. Without all those people, we won't need as many workers. And without all those illegal workers, our millions of unemployed AMERICANS can fill those jobs. If worse comes to worse, we can bring in workers from other countries under various programs, but I tend to think it will all work out. Americans replace themselves at the very least, so no sense in bring up hysterical issues to condone a viewpoint that will give away America - to the Mexicans, no less.
And since when does the country look to the churches to run the country? And again, about the Catholic churches - they just want new members for their flailing churches, so if they, too, have to give away America for their own purposes, so be it. I would hardly hold up churches as any proof of anything about anything with this issue. Grasping at straws, and trying to prove stupid points.
If there is an amnesty, this will be the third one. The first two were supposed to be the last ones, too, and then we would have it solved. They only led us to this mess. If our politicians, and you, have not learned anything from history, then we probably ARE going to lose our country. There will never be an end to the illegals if we do not stop it now. There never has been, and there never will be an end to the illegals. We have to get these out, and change our policies to prevent any more from coming. You don't just say they have roots and give them your country.
I've heard you mention Kim Laurie several times. Went to her web site and sure didn't see much that convinced me she is prepared to be a commissioner. Term, are you saying a pretty face qualifies her for office. I think running for commissioner as your first office is a bit of a stretch for a real-estate agent.
Where does she get her support from to run for office. Is it this Tea Party group, Liberty Coalition or the Republicans? She is in the Republican primary right? Campaign promises seem to be broken or ignored the minute people get elected. So with no experience or track record, why should someone vote for her?
Term, can you tell me or us what you think makes her great?
10:09 Point taken.
11:22 Whom do you point the finger at?
12:35 For the most part civil
rights came out of the churches.
Stupid points are people who believe that people will be rounded up like cattle.
1:34 WE provided them with roots. WE wanted the cheap labor.
1:54 I have seen her at the last couple of council meetings sitting with the anti-letter people. Now I don't believe she is the main stream Republican candidate, and yes she could be viewed as the Tea Party candidate. Nothing makes her "Great" but she will be the most attractive, and well spoken candidate in the commissioner race which sways voters. She brought up the Mexican Card at the meeting Tuesday night, along with the increase in county sales tax hurting establishments in the Great Lakes Mall. Now between the big box stores and tax free internet sales that might have a lot to do with empty parking spaces at the Mall. Just someone to keep an eye on.
Read the facts on the numbers 12:53
http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/statistics/publications/ois_ill_pe_2010.pdf
These people NEED to be rounded up like cattle, but you're just being dumb about that to continue to try to prove dumb things, right? E-Verify, and they all go home. Stop the food stamps and the free health care. If they can't work, they will all leave on their own. And yes, they know the way home, just like you would if you had gone to another country.
I'm sorry but my place of employment hires Spanish speaking people over those that only speak English. This is a union company where senority is supposed to count and it didn't. Not once but twice recently. Both times non-English speaking employees were passed over and the jobs given to Spanish speaking people. That stinks and so does the union. THERE is where the downfall of the country is and will be.
Term 3:19. Yes, you are one of the first people I would point a finger at. And civil rights for the blacks who were legal citizens of this country is an entirely different issue from civil rights for criminals who are in our country illegally. Civil rights for people who are here illegally should amount to being reasonably decent to them as we are showing them to the border. So yes, let's just give them our country because it must be our fault they are breaking our laws, and because you want millions of businesses to be prosecuted first before we do anything to get the illegals out. You should go to Mexico with Veronica Dahlberg and fight for Mexicans there, because your loyalties, as are hers, are to the citizens of other countries who are here illegally and not with the U.S. I don't believe that you, or any other citizen or politician, has the right to give away any part of our country to the illegals. You have the right to give them your personal stuff, however, and I think you should. After all, you are advocating to give them the money and everything else of the rest of the legal citizens, so you should probably start with your own stuff first.
3:37 If employers cooperate? Now this guy getting deported after 16 years illegally working in this country, yet not on word about where or how he worked or was paid.
4:26 Wild guess but PCLS?
8:14 Now do I see you question the loyalty to my country in your comment? It appears you view me as a traitor?
I guess you view it as un-American to find a solution to a problem your bunch has been spinning its wheels with little or no success for what 10 years?
Give them the money? The wealthy have taken all the money from us since the 80's. There's the real thieves.
I have watched the C-Pac show the Woodstock for Conservatives, heard a lot, children that receive free lunches have parents that don't love them? Yet not one speaker about deportation. You have to wonder why?
Now you're changing the subject to say the wealthy are taking our money. The subject is the illegals, and just because the wealthy are taking our money, it does not minimize what the illegals are doing.
Again, the politicians don't want to lose the vote. It's that simple. It's up to the citizens, and if the citizens push hard enough, I think the politicians will be relieved. They'll pretend like they don't want to do anything, but they will, and they will be glad to do it. It's not a difficult concept. It's the vote.
You can start by giving up your job to an illegal or to someone who has no job because of an illegal. And make sure you don't get another one until if and when the illegals are all gone. If you don't mind that millions of Americans have lost their jobs to illegals, then you might as well be one of them.
4:26, yes, that is happening all across the United States. I can't remember the exact year, but I think it was at least a couple of decades ago now, when the Hispanics declared that they would not bow down to the U.S. and speak English. They said we could not tell them what language to speak, and they were speaking Spanish. America never has declared English the official language of our country, so these people are getting away with it. Plus there are so many millions of them now that the companies want to, and need to, deal with their language. I know of many such cases now, but I'll tell you about a Michigan woman who moved to Arizona from Michigan, as she is the daughter of a friend of mine. She had worked in Walmart in Michigan. She intended to transfer to a Walmart in Arizona, but when it actually came down to it, she needed to speak Spanish to get the job, so she did not get it. We're turning into a two-language mess like Canada, and it will be the people who speak Spanish who will get the jobs. They're language is already on almost every business/government call we make and on every product we buy. They're winning. They are taking over the language of the country, and the country.
8:42 not changing the subject just making a point. Where or when will the push start? I don't understand your point that someone giving up their job helps this situation?
8:54 Great idea now let's see if the lawmakers in Washington D.C. will make English the official language? You just proved my point that big business (Home Depot, Lowe's) want their business
to increase their profit margins. Look it all boils down to green (money) Look instead of beating on this blog. show your displeasure at the two companies I just mentioned and throw Rite-Aid in for good measure. See where it gets you?
Your right their winning and we are fighting among ourselves over getting a deal that won't happen. Wake-Up!
Term 10:05: I wasn't talking about anyone giving up their job to the illegals, I was talking about your job. If you want them to stay, and you don't mind them having millions of American jobs while millions of Americans go without jobs, then you need to walk the walk, and give them your job.
And if you want to go after Lowes and Home Depot and Rite Aid, go right ahead.
Nobody's fighting but you. I don't know of one other non-Hispanic that does not want the illegals out but you. And thank God that all Americans are not now, nor have they been, like you, because we never would have managed to hold on to this country this long. You want to lay down and let them take over, fine, but stay out of the way of the people who are fighting. And while you are at it, give them your job. If the fight for our country fails, it will be because of people like you.
10:35 Why? Your the one with all the problems I point out things and you than want me to fix it? Believe me I'm not in the way it is comical watching the complaints and nothing happening.
If the fight fails it will be because of people Anonymously as yourself who complain to all the wrong people.
Sometimes I feel like an American Indian who tells his Chief you better get a handle on this or soon we will all be living on some Reservation.
Again people respect opinions and comments more with a name attached. just a thought.
See how easy, when you believe what you tell people you put your name to the thoughts.
Term 10:50, this is 10:35. Doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo. Whatever, man. It's scary in that brain of yours, isn't it?
Term 10:50, Are you high? Are you reading what you are writing? Are you delusional? Are you reading the posts that you are responding to? But, hey man, yeah, you must be the hero...that must be it. Geez.
Term, so what is the big point about Lowes, Home Depot and Walgreens?...That they are doing business with the Hispanics that are here? AND? And what would you like everyone else but you to go do at these stores to show their displeasure?
I'm also glad you find it so comical - this fight for America. So you are spending your time laughing at the people who are fighting while you are also not helping.
Really, I'm just struggling with what point you have been eluding to all these years as it has to do with businesses. Is your point that businesses across America want to do business with the illegals, therefore nobody will get them out?
And what exactly is the point about Lowes, Home Depot and Walgreens?
9:35 No, just looking for solutions.
11:10 Thanks for taking an interest in my mental health.
7:09 I just believe one language would serve us all better.
Spend some time in Montreal you will soon find the problem of a bi-lingual population.
And yes you answered your own question with your second to last paragraph.
Language has always united Americans different races, ethnics, religions language is the equalizer.
As I mentioned before the Hispanics should not have the keys to the kingdom without something from them.
Could you see PCLS making Spanish the official language to be used in our schools? Than what.
Learn American customs as well as English. If you don't want to you really don't belong here.
But without rules being laid down now the day will come when there won't be any rules.
I hate to take Term's side in anything, so this is killing me, but Councilwoman DiNallo was completely out of line by shutting him down when he said it was hypocritical to want to send a letter on the illegals when she had refused to send a letter for an investigation into our dire electrical power situation. I think he was exactly correct, and I think she was prepared with that statement to shut him down, all the while because she didn't want it brought up.
It was very hypocritical of her, and I think anyone who is paying attention in this town has noticed these two actions very acutely; I certainly know that I have, and I am not alone. And just because she had the power to shut him down to protect herself does not mean that she should have used it. Again, I feel it was completely out of line. If she has to do things like that then that means she needs to check her behavior and motives in my opinion. Glad she got shut down herself a few minutes later. I believe it was very wise of the rest of council to not go along with her and the illegals and HOLA.
I would like to thank everyone from this town and everyone from all the other towns who came to our city to speak out against the letter. I, for one, greatly appreciated it.
And to Mrs. Jenkins: This resistance to the Mexican invasion should not in any way be blamed on the citizens of America. People are equally upset at the millions of people from other countries who are here illegally also. But Mexico is emptying out into our country. Money sent home from here is in line with money coming in from their oil exports, and this has been going on for decades; it is getting worse all the time. Every life of every American citizen is made much, much worse by the mostly Mexican illegals, as they are taking money and resources directly from our pockets and from our families. Mexico is filled with GHOST TOWNS because half their country is HERE in our country. Do you think Americans could get away with this in Mexico? I hardly think so, because the Mexican government and the Mexican citizens would not allow it. I suggest that in the future if you want to chastise someone then you should chastise the people who are breaking our laws and bleeding our country dry, and not the people who are trying to get the laws of this land upheld. You should understand that concept, shouldn't you, since you hold an office in this land where you are supposed to uphold the laws?
I am not sure but it is the drug lords that make billions of dollars a week more than all other factor put together. We should be worried about that first. The rest would take less work than stopping the drugs coming in and money and guns going out. We have no benefit from drugs but we at least get somethink from the workers that are here against our wishes. They pick food we eat and buy items from stores. They are better than what the drugs do to our people...give that some thought
Councilwoman Jenkins played right into the Mexican's hands. The way they have gotten away with being in our country illegally for so long -- as their numbers grow and grow and grow, and now they are marching in our streets (!) -- is by saying they are just sweet people coming for jobs. This is apparently supposed to comfort the Americans whose jobs they are taking. Then when someone speaks out against it, they call us prejudiced. That is the main maneuver that has shut most Americans up, and the Mexicans know it. And they like to bring up the blacks and past civil rights battles in this country, as one of the speakers at the last council meeting did. So let's just say this again, shall we? The blacks were citizens of our country that needed to finally be protected. This has nothing to do with citizens of another country who have come here usurping our country and demanding that we let them. Nothing.
I wouldn't blame anyone who is prejudiced against the Mexicans at this point; who wouldn't be? There are probably at least 20 million illegals Mexicans here. And they have been at our council meetings on more than one occasion wanting the privilege of being rewarded for breaking our laws by being given citizenship. They have held marches and rallies in our town and across
America demanding rights in a country they have no business even being in. If Americans were doing this in Mexico, we'd probably be being beheaded. And if you think that is so farfetched, then I suggest you look up Mexico beheadings. Certainly WE would not be allowed to get away with this in Mexico, even as the Mexican government demands that we let THEIR people stay here. When there is talk of making them go home, the Mexican government demands to know how do we think THEY will take care of all of THEIR people? Rulers in other countries have demanded the same answers of America!
They don't want to fix their own country, so they come here demanding to be here and to stay. Can you imagine if all the people who have come here illegally and stayed had stayed in their own country and worked to fix it? Can you imagine what they could have accomplished by now? Can you imagine what they WOULD accomplish in their own country if they go home now and start to do it? But no, they don't want to do that. They want to be in our country and take what we have worked so hard for. I suggest they all go HOME and march on their own governments in their own countries. The fact that they are not and we are letting them stay here like this is insane. It is completely and utterly insane.
And who was the councilman who was so loud and rude to the CITIZENS OF AMERICA who clapped when the resolution was defeated? Yes, there probably should not have been clapping, but who do you think you were talking to? Do you think you were talking to naughty children that you have the right to talk down to, or to citizens of this city and country there to protect our country and our laws? And who do you think you were so nastily standing up for, if not for people who have no right to even be at our council meeting unless they are here legally.
I guarantee our forefathers did not foresee this happening when the 14th amendment was written, so let's be worthy of what was so hard fought for us and fix that amendment and stand up for our country and for our own citizens and not the citizens of Mexico. They have their own country and government to do that for them.
Term 10:50: You said sometimes you feel like an American Indian who tells his chief that he had better get a handle on things or soon we will be living on some reservation. So what exactly do you mean by that? What exactly do you see that nobody else is seeing, and what is "it" that needs to be addressed that you are the only one that sees?
11:04 What I mean is presently Americans have the upper hand in who and how we let people immigrate into this country. A secure Border no if ands or buts. Learning English, a civics test, a fine or fee for breaking the law. no benefits until they are registered citizens. Keep this deportation, self-deportation argument continue for another 20 years and you can kiss any rules good-by. Presently I see no "Chief" going to bat for deportation, So what administration, senate, or congress will deport anyone? Cut a deal before you got no deal to cut.
10:52 I guess you will have to ask Katie about that, don't bring me into it, You have no idea the amount of hateful comments I toss, and yes some of them are prejudicial.
Who causes the insanity?
Look we don't clap at the passage or failure of a resolution. Think how you would have felt if all the Hispanics had clapped if the resolution passed. It not what we as a society do. Yes I agree the clapping was by naughty children. Sorry. It was councilman Fodor and I applaud him.
Our forefathers? Would have never conceived the idea of a person walking into a school with an automatic weapon and killing 20 children, our forefathers never thought that in a more perfect union slavery should have been abolished, our forefathers never believed that the women who brought them into this world should be allowed to vote.
Term 12:19. I don't know what upper hand you think Americans have over all these illegals, as it is surely the illegals who have the upper hand. There are currently probably at least 30 million illegals here and many more millions on the way. Probably half the world wants to come here illegally, and there will never be an end to illegals if we don't uphold our laws and change our policies that are allowing this to happen. There will never be enough amnesties to deal with it, as we have learned form past amnesties. If you think making them learn English to be citizens is going to stop our bilingual problem, you are wrong. The Hispanic hierarchy declared years ago that America could not force them to give up their native tongues. You can see that that is true. Even if they learn English to pass the tests, we will continue to lose our language to the Hispanics. Already, in many places, Americans cannot get jobs unless they speak Spanish.
And yes, there were a lot of things that our forefathers did not foresee - little or big changes that have needed to be undertaken to make our country continue to function properly as times continue to change. And now the 14th Amendment is one of those things.
So Term, when are you giving up your job to an illegal that you are advocating for? Since you want them to stay and apparently are saying that it is the legal citizens fighting the invasion that are causing the insanity, then surely you are willing to make such a sacrifice. If it is okay with you that they are taking millions of American jobs away from Americans who are now unemployed, then surely you won't mind giving up your own job to an illegal. Or you could give your job to an American who is unemployed because an illegal has his or her job. Either way.
4:26 Wild Guess NO. But I do have a neighbor that does. I have my own job battles as do they. This is what people are saying, soon we - average white jo's and joe's will have no jobs, no rights. Maybe the only light will be is that we then will be the minority holding out our hands for help.
PCLS UNION lets that happen! If they try to take the maintenance techs. job that will not happen!!!!!!
At this point, Mexicans can take over America by their numbers alone with all the anchor babies, and it can happen very shortly. All these anchor babies are starting to be eligible to vote by the millions every year now. We must get them out NOW if we are to start turning the tide and if we want any hope of saving America from being a Mexican country. And we won't even mention the Muslims who have taken over whole towns already, as in Dearborn, Michigan. If they are legalized, we will have a nightmare that we will never be able to get out of. The borders will be open and it will be all over but the shouting, as they say. And not only that, but then what happens to the whole world without the United States of America as we know it? Have you ever seen Mexico and Mexicans watching out over the US and the rest of the world and our interests in it? They're a different people in a different country, and this is not that country. This is OUR country, and we must stand up and save it.
If everyone who is against this invasion does not stand up together and do this now, it will be too late. The Mexicans and the rest of the illegals will have the votes - all the votes. If anyone doesn't think the situation is that dire, then please do the research, and look at the numbers. The Mexicans and the Mexican government know every Hispanic/Latino in every elected and appointed office in the United States of America, and Hispanics vote for Hispanics, and Hispanics take care of Hispanics, and Hispanics don't care a thing about us; they just want our country. They are usurping our country, and worse yet, we are letting them.
4:36 I AGREE WITH YOU 100% but I think its to late America will lose this battle! went to Dearborn Michigan on field-trip from school to Henry Ford museum told my dad about all the people with there faces covered ! He said that's just the beginning!! but all my teachers said this was there country to!!
IS ALL LOST??
(;33 Another registered Republican chimes in. What a surprise he doesn't like me?
Tell me who are you going to get to do the things on your want list?
TIC TOC TIC TOC OBAMA TIME IS NOT ON YOUR SIDE THANKS FOR GETTING A CONSERVATIVE IN NEXT!!!!
BENGHAZI TAXED ENOUGH ALREADY PARTY TEA PARTY DON'T TREAD ON ME YOU WILL GET HURT!!
TERM I DO LIKE YOU JUST DON'T LIKE WHAT YOU STAND FOR! YOU ARE A AMERICAN YOU COUNT! BUT I COUNT TOO! DON'T GET ALL AGGRESSIVE ON ME
YOUR TIME TO SHINE IS ALMOST OVER ENJOY WHILE YOU CAN!! I GOT HIGH!
I CLOSED ME SCHOOL RECORDS GEE WONDER WHY? THANKS OBAMA FOR THE NEXT 12 YEARS YOUR MAN DID THIS TO YOUR PARTY!! Benghazi
9:12: It's good to see a young person who understands the whole issue and who recognizes what a state of emergency our country is in over this issue. Most young people, in my experience, only see the humanitarian issue and can't see past the point where they think we need to let everyone in and legalize all the illegals. Even the Facebook founder, as old as he is, doesn't see the whole, scary issue and does not recognize that we are losing America.
The anchor babies are having babies now, and there are millions of Hispanics, for one, that are eligible to get naturalized and/or vote if they choose to, and they are urged constantly by the Hispanic hierarchy to do so.
It's a scary situation, but it's hopeful to see that you understand it. There are people fighting all across America, but unfortunately not at high enough numbers.
Just help wherever you can. If there is a letter you can write, or a phone call you can make, or a rally you can attend, go ahead and do so. It must be scary to see the adults that are running the country doing such a bad job of it. It would be good for politicians to hear from young people, so you never know what you might accomplish.
As far as Dearborn goes, who knows if your teacher is right or not. Probably most of those are illegal also, but they are all having legal babies as fast as they can thanks to this major weakness in our laws. I grew up in that area and I am told that almost every doctor, etc., in all the health centers there are all Muslim.
It's my opinion that we not only need to get all the illegals out, but we need to stop all legal immigration, too, at least for a while, until we can get a handle on it. We have so many programs for people to enter this country every year, that we are letting millions in every year legally. And, of course, every child they give birth to or father is a legal citizen, whether they are in a program that lets them stay and get citizenship or not, and most programs have a path to citizenship. There are so many programs that the police departments can't even keep them straight and tell who is here legally or not.
Great things have been accomplished in this country by young people, so it's really comforting to know that you are paying attention, and that you are out there.
IF WE HAVE A REPUBLICAN-THAT IS NOT DOING WHAT HE SHOULD BE DOING GET HIM OUT AND GET ANOTHER one that will do what the people want you get that?? they work for you!!
11:15 who and what did this Republican not do what he should have done?
10:27 @9:33 you claimed you did not like me? I hope the caps are because of your eyesite right?
TERM 8:04, how do you know this post was from a Republican. You don't like what someone says so you assume it's a Republican because you HATE ALL Republicans.
11:37 I don't HATE anyone. and surely not Republicans.
First maybe I assumed wrong when they made the statement GET HIM OUT AND GET ANOTHER..... another what Democrat? I beleive he was looking for a more Conservative candidate.
I have to ask. Do you Hate me? and define what hate means to you?
This is 10:42 with a P.S. to 9:12: It's not over until it's over. Don't lose hope. The fact that they are not all legalized already is hopeful. We just need to all get up and fight right now. I think if we did, the politicians would be relieved to get them all out and to blame it on the citizens. That way they would have accomplished what they should have been doing anyway, and neither party would loose votes. It's sad when politicians are willing to give away our country for votes, but many fights have been won in the 11th hour, so add your voice, and good luck to us all.
TERM yes caps are for bad eyesight if you remember i told you the last time you got all aggressive with me I do have bad eyes and the last time you said you where sorry for that ! and yes I want a more Conservative candidate the more conservative the better and I do like you and respect! your opinion.
HATE IS A STRONG WORD THAT SHOULD NOT BE USED LIGHTLY! AND I AGREE WITH 10:42 MAKES SENSE TO ME
6:20 - On that note, how bout the article in the News Herald with OAPSE Union President in the article. Your comment is 100% correct. Looking out for #1.
WHAT article please help me find it
that guy is the biggest looser!!!
HE DOES NOT WORK THINKS HE IS THE BOSS AND IF IS? HE CAN NOT UNION PRESIDENT!!! WHAT A LOOSER!! THE SCHOOL IS TO BLAME FOR HIM LETS SEE WHAT JOHN WILL DO!!WITH HIM!!
ALL HE DOES IS BS WITH THE OTHER LAZY GUY AT HARVEY FOR HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS AND HOURS YEAR AFTER YEAR AFTER YEAR!! I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR ANOTHER LEVY AGAIN
How the school would let this guy work_ hang around there! I don't understand it looks bad for them! I myself will NOT support the schools because of that! if they can not get rid of somebody like that after years! of not doing there JOB! what else is going on??? I was told
he had stuff on Hanlon seems he was using the wood shop at Harvey for personal wood working and alarm went off soooo??
Please tell me where I can find that article? this guy is bad NEWS
for PCLS! Union is for the Administration! He is in there back pocket and always will be unless they go after him then he will blackmail if necessary to save his butt!! snake!!
9:50 If an employee of the system who was let go for theft they have no business hanging around the buildings and cohering with employees. Don't judge a people by the vehicle they drive.
6:47 calm down!
7:06 The time to tell people of what was going on in the wood shop was when it was happening.
Don't the members of OAPSE vote in their President? Didn't the members get fed up with Hal and vote him out? I was told that the majority of OAPSE members don't got to meetings and don't vote. Get involved. Nominate an honest candidate and quit complaining. Be a winner and not a whiner.
Wednesday. 3-12-14. Bright Idea continued and picture on P.5 . You are so right about the bad employees. Most of the good employees were persecuted or let go while the poor performers just stayed on payroll, not doing their job. You might want to ask here just how their union president (whom the union members voted in) treated the union body at the last meeting too.
Time will tell Term is watching lets not get all down . Summer is coming! I do see good stuff going on in the schools. I really like the new second in command. He cares about the schools. I have herd good things about the principal at Harvey and Elm. Hope they can take care of the bad people. I supported the schools in the past and can in the future. It is up to them! I think they can turn the schools in the rite direction.
Remember when Hanlon kicked out the Harvey varsity baseball team from their indoor practice so his daughter's lacrosse team from Mentor could practice? What a jerk. Good riddance to this double dipper!
To 6:20. When the schools hire anyone they have to produce a valid SSN and background information. Then a drug test ,and full background check.. That would make it very very hard to get a job if you are here without papers.... Please before you make a off the wall comment chech all the facts...
To 10:52. You say Mrs Jenkins played into hands but you say nothing about what she did to get this posting from you,so unless you speak further on that subject I will have to look at your posting as being very questionable
At best,,,,,
2:28 The union quagmire is a vicious circle. The past presidents were mostly out for themselves and their friends as is this one. No one wants to be involved with the union because of the board and their lack of involvement and support with the remaining 140 DUES paying members. We pay about $35.00 (this varies as to the amount of hours one works) a month in dues. $10.00 goes into our union budget the remaining goes on to OAPSE elsewhere. We really can’t opt out as we would still have to pay our “fair share”. The behavior of the board at the last meeting was so bad, they couldn’t stop with their phones (either playing a game or texting to each other) for the hour that the handful of employees showed up for. Why? You ask why no one wants to come to meetings?
6:53 A union is only as strong as it's membership wants it to be. It's more than paying monthly dues. The people you elect and have elected are the responsibility of the membership. If you don't get involved well, expect what you got.
To 2:43 (this is not 6:20): Maybe you had better read posts better. Nowhere does 6:20 say they would be hired without papers. I believe they were talking about people who speak Spanish being hired over people who do not.
2:48, this is 10:52. At the last council meeting, Ms. Jenkins chastised the people who were against sending a letter on behalf of the illegals, making a snarky remark that people shouldn't prejudice against people just because of where the come from, meaning the Mexicans and Mexico. I don't remember the exact wording now, but before you must "look at my posting as very questionable at best" (give me a break), I suggest you watch the last council meeting and watch her in action. I thought her comment was completely, undeniably and disgustingly out of line. Legal citizens of this country are fighting against the country being overtaken by illegals in general; it is not anyone's fault but the Mexicans that the Mexicans happen to be the biggest majority of lawbreakers in this country illegally. My guess is about 20 million of them, so if she wants to make a snarky remark at someone, maybe she ought to blame the Mexicans for what the Mexicans are doing, and not the legal citizens who are speaking out against it. Really, I don't know who she thinks she is to think it was okay for her to make a comment like that. Shall I go on?
TO 2:43 MAYBE you should check your facts! your not as smart has you think you are! see we can point out your problems DON'T try to make your self better then people! NOW THAT'S A OFF THE WALL COMMENT
you do not have a clue! illegals get jobs all the time with out papers and FAKE papers all the time! FACTS! hows that background check working out for that BUS driver in Madison?? I know it is very very very HARD! to drive kids with criminal record!
6:38 I don't know maybe the first amendment ? freedom of speech?
Look all you patriots wavy the flag and drape yourself in Liberty.... Until someone disagrees with you? Then the Constitution goes out the window and disgusting enters and you get on the soapbox.
Look after her statement what confused me was her vote? But then listening to some of you I thought someone had scored a touchdown? Simply put the vote had no winners or losers? Nothing has changed and nothing will.
7:34 And who's fault is that?
Bus Driver that Castro guy was as legal as you and look what he did?
Ms. Jenkins called the legal citizens of Painesville prejudiced against Mexicans for speaking out against the illegals in our city and country. It was an uncalled-for, rude and unsubstantiated remark. She had no business making it. She can use her free speech all she wants on her personal time, but during a council meeting speaking to legal citizens, I think not. She was completely out-of-line. And it is nobody's fault that illegals are here except for the illegals, and it is nobody's fault that the illegals that populate this country and our city the most are Mexicans. Nobody's fault but the Mexicans, Ms. Jenkins. So in her mind, apparently, to speak out against our entire country and city being taken over by illegals, who happen to be mostly Mexican, is all about prejudice against the Mexicans, and has no other basis. It really was an uncalled-for remark, and it was completely out-of-line.
Get with it. Castro is history, there is another problem going on in Madtown. Kindly read what people write, says Madison right 7:43 post.
12:56 I think you missed Ms. Jenkins point. How many in that room were Hispanics and are "legal?" Personal time? What could be more personal than a public meeting.
What your afraid of hearing is that many may agree with her thinking.
You have your freedom, and those that disagree have theirs?
7:43 Castro was a "legal" and was a school bus driver for the CSD.
Term 6:53 as per 12:56. Ms. Jenkins called the citizens who spoke out against the illegals prejudiced against the Mexicans. That is the issue, and that is the only issue. And again, I think it was out-of-line and had no place there. If that is her personal opinion, then keep it personal, and get your nose out of the air. I think she had a lot of nerve to do that, and she had no right. Your statement that nothing is more personal than a public meeting makes no sense. If she personally thinks that people who fight the illegals are prejudiced against the Mexicans, then that is her personal opinion, and she was completely out-of-line to express it at a council meeting. She is not better than the people she serves, although judging by that comment, she certainly seems to think she is. She talked down to the citizens, and she called them a name, with a look and a demeanor that was uncalled for and unacceptable. I find no excuse for that.
I find the fact that Ms. DiNallo went so far out of her way, and tried to use the city of Painesville to do it, to help people who are breaking the laws of our country to be quite disturbing. I also find the expressed sympathy for these lawbreakers by Ms. DiNallo and Ms. Jenkins to be disturbing, and I feel they are just perpetuating the problem in our city, and it will help to continue to bring more and more illegals into our city. I sincerely do not understand how they can sit on council, in a position of authority where they are supposed to uphold the laws, and carry on this way. I also sincerely do not understand why it is okay to break all the laws that the illegals break, and not all the other laws of the land. And then people like Term claim anyone wanting our laws upheld are "wrapping the flag around them." I ask...what laws can LEGAL Americans break where it is not only okay but condoned by our city leaders? Really, name one.
7:14/ 9:28 First Ms. Jenkins has a right to say what she wishes. That my "draping the flag comment came from." Now which of those Hispanics in the courtroom were legal and which ones weren't? That was Ms. Jenkins point. Again slavery was legal once as was the right to not let women vote. Would you feel the same way if you lived back then? Someone believed women should be allowed to vote? Things change. and again I know it's not getting thru... but America WELCOMED them NOTHING beats cheap labor.
Term 2:22: It has nothing to do with slavery or women's vote. It has nothing to do with which Mexicans were legal or illegal in our city council meeting, although I have no idea what right someone who does not belong in this country would have in our city council meeting. It only has to do with Ms. Jenkins calling the people who stood up against the letter prejudiced against the Mexicans. And no, she does not have the right to call people who stood up against the letter prejudiced against the Mexicans at a council meeting.
I have no idea how many different people are commenting here? But one word keeps coming up "prejudiced" Only you know if you are or aren't why so much concern about this one word. I don't think most of you are but some that send some comments into the blog. defiantly are.
The word "prejudiced" keeps coming up because that is the issue at hand; Ms. Jenkins called the people who stood up against the letter prejudiced against the Mexicans.
Illegals are breaking the law. Our law and thumbing their nose while doing it. There is the difference between slavery and women voting. Your comparison is way off, not the same at all.
Hey, wake up and get your boot out-a your you know what. NOT Castro, the conversation has nothing to do with CASTRO, go back to the News Herald article about a Madison bus driver that's what they are talking about, NOT CASTRO.
Fa-getabout it, wonder where the boot might fit? Look the point was in Madison they ran checks and nothing showed up until the window on the school bus was shattered. Castro also had a clean record as a bus driver for Cleveland and look at the horror he managed?
TERM you are asking ?? at school board meetings? Could you ask if the Maintenance Technician has a up to DATE! Valid License from the state of Ohio as REQUIRED??! And if he PRIORITIES work orders installs and/or repairs equipment. Consults with administrative administrative assistant to ENSURE compliance with BUILDING CODES and ADA accessibility standards! and could you please have them give you a COPY of his maintenance LOG THE STATE REQUIRES MAINTENANCE RECORDS!! they don't give over 90 million dollars for new schools and not require records or A licensed MAINTENANCE/ ELECTRICAL/ BUILDING CODES! thanks for your time
So what is the deal with the bus driver in Madison for those of us who do not know?
7:50 Will try to get the answers before the next BOE meeting.
9:17 A bus driver was arrested on a warrant after an unrelated incident on a Madison School Bus. This driver had pasted background checks and Verna Rodriguez(sp) failed to appear on a child endangerment charge on her own children. At that time she used a different last name. Ariel Castro was the Cleveland man who held those three women hostage for over a decade. He also passed a background check when applying for a bus driver for Cleveland Schools he was let go in 2012.
I have talked to police officers who have said that one of the big problems with the Hispanics is that they change names, which looks like what probably happened in this case. Good way to run from your past and avoid apprehension.
1:30 You don't have to be Hispanic to get divorced and go back to your maiden name. Any woman in America can do it!
Term 4:41, this is 1:30. That was not what I was talking about! The Hispanics, as told to me by the police, have many names that they can and do use legally in their own right. If I recall, they can use the surnames of their mother and/or father or both, etc. Lots of potential names to claim. Then if they are evading something, they choose one of those names that may be different than the name they were using, or an entirely different name, of course. If that bus driver changed her name innocently because of a divorce, then that is a different scenario, of course, but I would think someone doing a background check would have her maiden and married name, so unless you know that that is the case, it probably was not. As a woman, I am constantly asked my maiden name, if it is different from the name I am using, on almost every form I have filled out my entire life, so I cannot imagine the subject didn't come up. And if she had a warrant out for her arrest, then she was obviously avoiding the police and her crimes.
TERM when is the next BOE meeting?
I want to here the excuses they come up with about the maintenance tech! Thank you for looking in to it.
Second Monday of the month. I will try to have an answer before then.
9:04 That was the reason given in the newspaper article.
I also see Mr. Ramos got a years stay. To live in Painesville? Didn't even need a letter, uh?
Who is this Maintenance Technician you speak of? Is he the same guy as the union
president? He wears both hats?
For the different names, I thought it has something to do with using both parents names, as we hypnonate our names I thought they use dad's name then mom's name is last? I could be mistaken. But it could be confusing this way.
I thought the original article about Mr. Ramos stated he was from Perry. Anyone remember?
I say everyone should start breaking laws in Painesville and all over the country and when the police come, or the city of Painesville come after us, we'll just say well, Mr. Ramos can break laws, so we can, too. Bet we won't get very far. Just little things, you know. Run stop signs (in safe places) until you get pulled over by the police, and then tell them that if Mr. Ramos can do something as big as come into our country illegally for the second time, after having been thrown out once, then you think you must as least be entitled to run stop signs. Or we could all plan a meeting and gather in the square without getting the okay of, and paying, the city of Painesville. We'll be in trouble for being in the square illegally. But Mr. Ramos can be here in this COUNTRY illegally, and he get a year's reprieve. And there you go, Term. Why don't you find out who Mr. Ramos has been working for, and where he is going to continue to work for at least the next year while he and his family get a free ride in this country. Then you can investigate how that came about. Did Mr. Ramos have falsified papers, or did the employer hire him knowing he was illegal. I'd say immigration, at the very least, owes legal citizens that information. Let's see that information be printed in the paper, News-Herald. How about it, Veronica Dahlberg...where has this criminal been working all these years? And how much money from that job that he took from an American citizen did he send out of the country to his relatives? It's a triple-whammy when illegals take jobs from Americans. First they have taken a job from an American. Then they usually do not pay taxes. Third, they send a lot of that money to their home country, especially Mexicans, instead of spending it and/or investing it here in this country. And then on top of that, they get free services like food stamps and medical care. Everyone I know is struggling financially, while people like Mr. Ramos takes from all of us every day he is in this country, and this really ticks me off.
So does anyone know where Mr. Ramos has been working? Although I guess if Mr. Ramos isn't in trouble, then why should the employer be? What a spineless country we have turned out to be. We're threatening the Russians and allowing our own country to be taken over. How very, very stupid.
This is 11:22 to 6:27. Yes, it is something like that with the names. I don't exactly remember what they said, but I do remember they said they had many different versions of their own name available to them to use legally. They all don't always use the same version of their name, so even in a regular situation, it can be very difficult for the police and/or the government to track them down or identify them as themselves, if you know what I mean. I was also told that for welfare, they just change versions of their names, too, if they get caught lying, etc., or if they leave one rental housing with a huge electric bill, for example, and want to move on to another. If you add on top of that their propensity for making up completely false names and identities, it can be downright impossible to track these people.
I wonder if they have "welcome back, criminal" party favors at the local party stores so we could all throw a big party for Mr. Ramos.
Union pres. and tech is the same guy he wears both hats! Thanks for looking in to it. Should be interesting.
Does anyone out there know where Mr. Ramos worked and/or is working?
And while Mr. Ramos was in this country illegally the first time, we rewarded him by giving any children he may have created while here full citizenship. And while he was in this country illegally the second time, we rewarded him by giving full citizenship to any children he may have had.
Also, what is this new thing now that Painesville is doing? If someone moves out of a residence without paying their utility bill, then the next person to move in to that residence has to pay the city for it? Am I misunderstanding this?
So there you go, Term, you have insisted for years that you wanted the businesses that hire illegals to be picketed. Of course, you wanted everyone else to do it but you, but there you go now. You can find out where this criminal worked/works, and go picket that business.
2:30 Good thing we didn't send that letter? Wonder what difference in wouldn't have made?
Heard a lot of clapping from Hispanics after the ruling.
Term 4:58. Of course they were clapping...they are taking over the United States of America, and we are letting them. They've probably already written a song about it. The title is probably Stupido Americanos.
Your smugness and satisfaction every time the people against the illegals lose and the illegals win is very telling of your character.
What is going on at BOE meeting? Is the union in trouble or a person? What is 9:04 talking about and what are you going to bring up? What are you both talking about?
If the maintenance tech and union pres. are the same person there will be no need for the board to make any excuses for him. He is quite capable to do that all on his own. As new union president he said he was going to have a picnic in Perry, never happened. Said he was going to each union person to speak to them, never happened. Decided on new committiees to have, never happened. A contract for union? Yes, there is one but where can the members read it? They can't. He blamed the board office, the weather, the winter break... Get my point, I'm sure whatever is wrong it will be someone else's fault not his.
5:34 smugness, satisfaction? No more like I told you so. The letter made little difference, sent or not sent.
Mr. Ramos had 150 supporters show up at his hearing. How many bus loads did you send? How many candidates showed up in opposition and wanted Mr. Ramos deported?
You get on a blog. and rail on and on and nothing happens, why? Come to the table accept some amnesty with conditions or in a few years you will have no leverage at all.
6:13/5:30 stay tuned.
5:34 Get it out of your system whining 24 hours this post will be archived.
TERM
I am a little upset first nice day! I took my grandchild to the new schools Maple and Elm. She was riding her new tricycle in the parking lot. the gates where closed. No cars it was safe? I seen something flopping around on her tire.She got off and started to grab it from the tire! I told her to stop. IT WAS A USED CONDOM!! I told my son in law.He said there are no lights in the back of that school!! very dangerous! I think I know what there talking about. there Maintenance tech is WORTHLESS!!
Term 7:09 and 7:12. So your contention is that since there aren't enough Americans fighting at this moment, that we should just give them the country?...as apposed to letting it happen by natural occurrence down the road because of their invasion? And what will we benefit more by giving it to them now? You say "come to the table or in a few years you will have no leverage at all". What leverage? Without amnesty, the ones here illegally have nothing except being in a stolen country; they will not be legal. It will be their children who finish taking it, and the ones we keep letting in legally. Your post and reasoning make no sense.
And you have learned nothing from the last two amnesties?...which makes you think there will be an end to the illegals after an amnesty now?
And what?...you're archiving your post so you can say na na na na na when they take over?
I think you may be the most stupido gringo of all.
Just keep gloating while your children and grandchildren lose their country. It's so funny, I can hardly stop laughing. And when, and if, it happens, you can tell them that you were very happy to help lose their country for them, and that you did everything in your power in your city, and therefore your country, to make it happen.
When you archive your post, you had better do it in Spanish, you who still thinks that we can have amnesty, make them learn English to be citizens, and still keep our language.
Stupido.
So Term thinks that we should hurry up and give the illegals amnesty or we will lose our leverage? What leverage? Make them pay a pittance, strike their breast 20 times, learn enough English to pass the test, then here you go, take America. Thank you so much for cooperation, you illegals, you. We Americans really lucked out, because the alternative would be that you would be forced out and not take our country. Whew!!! We really dodged THAT bullet.
9:34/10:45 Anger, Fear, Resentment and calling people names? I wish you luck in your endeavor but I don't see much of a future.
9:23 I have no idea what to tell you?
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