"RESPECT" aretha franklin
If you watch the council meeting on channel 12 you won't see this because it ends during the middle of the visitors time....But on the city web site you can actually see and hear the whole council meeting in its entire. decent sound and no fluttering.
During the council comment time Councilman Flock brought up an email he received from the city administration.
A little background here. Councilman Flock represents Ward I. An elderly resident called Andy with concerns about paperwork from RITA (Regional Income Tax Authority) She explained that she felt they assumed she owed money. She lives only on Social Security.
Andy sent her name to the administration where it was sent to the proper department head. The department head sent the inquire to RITA with a note that they were doing an outstanding job. and that this was sent to them because a certain councilman complains about everything.
This email was forwarded not only to the administration but also to councilman Flock. Not once but twice!
Does anyone read anything before they send it?
Now how many times I have seen councilman Flock castigated in front of council for not taking things to the administration but bringing it up at a council meeting even when he does the right thing he's still wrong. Remember it was a simple request from a resident that started this.
My thoughts as well as all council people should demand a letter of insubordination or reprimand be given to this employee if not for poor judgement at least for not first reading what they send.
Na, won't happen most on council believe they are employee's of the administration.
posted by terminator1 @ 9:37 AM
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Why did Flock have to read it at a council meeting. That was something he could have handled on his own without grandstanding as usual.
10:09 Lets get that broom out to sweep something new under the rug.
No need for transparency.
Watching on channel 12 a certain councilman doze off, apperantly not reading his packet before meetings, waiting to bring complaints to the admnistration until a meeting posibliy two weeks after he recieves it instead of refering it the city hall immediately,etc... then continuely visibly being so negetive may cause the behavior (I am not condoning the behavior). Maybe it is time that this councilman take a break and look inwardly on why the comment was made. All involved need to act more professioanlly and courteous TO EACH OTHER.
3:38 Sorry I have never seen Mr. Hach or anyone else doze off. Although Paul spends an abnormal time looking at the clock above the door? It seems all council people open their packets the same way.
Look that email went though channels at city hall who in the end sent it to councilman Flock? If you remember he was excused at the last meeting.
Your not condoning the behavior? Maybe city employees should take a break and remember who's in charge of the city.
This council for the most part is gutless and afraid to upset the administration. How many times will councilman Fodor ask for a budget meeting?
Maybe it's time the rest of council looks inward on what's happened around here. Flocks the only one on council not lead around by his nose.
This administration is top heavy with people who care nothing about residents. Did that department head just receive a $14,000 a year raise?
Any of you ever wonder why Flock keeps getting reelected without spending a dime? The people trust him and his judgement!
Just a guess, but willing to bet this went to Doug Lewis before it got to the councilman?
Things will never improve until council starts making demands on the administration and decides to run the city.
The City of Painesville is going to spent over 100 thousand dollars, to repair Charlotte St. My question: is Charlotte street the worse in Painesville or is it because a certain council person lives on it?
It is my personal opinion that many people who are in charge of things in this city need to be fired. They can start with the department head that sent that email. Shameful, unprofessional and nasty, just like most of the people in charge of things in this city. I am increasingly shocked at the behavior of the people who run this city. We need to clean house in a serious way. When I moved to this city over 20 years ago now, I was shocked at how the city was handled and how badly and disrespecfully the citizens were treated. Then came McMahon as city manager, and instead of things getting better, they went into a deep downward spiral. It is so pervasive now, that even with her gone, it continues in a shocking manner.
The employee that sent that email is a good place to start cleaning house in my opinion, then I have several other suggestions of people who should have gotten the boot a long time ago. Those attitudes have no business in what is supposed to be a professional, respectful environment for all city council members and the citizens alike.
Don't worry nothing will happen. Remember we are constantly told what professionals we employ at the city.
Council will never "Rock" the boat!
ALong the same lines:
On Monday power was knocked out at Victoria Place for the third time in less than a year due to one of the cities transformers blowing up underground outside the building. When the building manager tried to ask the someone from the workcrew if they could give him any idea on how long the power would be out so he could communicate to the tenants so they could plan accordingly he was told "oh about 3 weeks". Assuming they were being facetious he explained that he just wanted to be able to tell the businesses so they could decide whether to have their people stay or go home they would not give him any sort of answer. The power ended up being out for several hours and several of the businesses suffered equipment damage from the preceding brown out which of course is not the cities responsibility. Is it really to much to ask for someone to say hey its going to be 3-4 hours before we will have power restore so businesses can have information to make a decision on sending their people home as opposed to having them sit in an office building with no power?
Heard a rumor a pit bull attacked a little girl outside a convenience store Tuesday and a customer grabbed and killed the dog?
The police were called, did you hear hear about this? I just want to send that girls mother Lori Dinallo, and katie Jenkins phone number.
5:43 The building manager should have called Doug Lewis with this answer.
The employee probably would have been given a "step" wage increase.
It starts at the top and flows down. They might believe they have a professional relationship but only in the minds.
A elderly city resident called the city to have them come down and remove the asphalt from her tree lawn pushed-up over the winter by the city snowplows and was informed the tree lawn was her responsibility?
Has anyone received an answer to what those electric plant workers are doing if not producing power at the plant?
5:58 Haven't heard anything.
10:11 Charlotte St. is in need of major repair ( atleast the west end from Westwood to Liberty.). The city engineer claimed it will be repaired at a cost of $150,000. Yet when asked by a councilman how long the street was, he claimed he didn't know? Neither did he know how wide the bridge to nowhere was. My qusetion did anyone think after the bridge is finished what happens to all that traffic when it hits Jackson St.?
This bunch uses the word "professionally" very loosely.
10:11 That street was to have been fixed when Mr. Fodor was first elected. He ask the city not to redo the street. Because he felt it would not look good at the time.So those that live in the area had to put up with this for several more. Several more years.
5:55. No one in the city got a pay raise let alone 14 thousand. Not beleivalbe
Was 3:38 referring to Mr. Hach? I thought he meant Mr. Flock? That's a good description for him, I think you misunderstood when you answered it.
Imagine if SB5 have withstood the vote.
Citizens might actually be treated with respect from city workers.
FIRE THE PERSON THAT sent the email, case closed .. can't fire them, then move their desk to a toilet .. permanently.
I think the guy who sent the email about Flock should get a raise, at least he is telling the truth.
12:48/2:29 difference of opinion?
2:29 Go to your job tommorrow and send your boss the same email about all he does is complain? Will you get a raise? Then again you might be a city worker with no need to worry about any repercussions? Do it for us and let us know how it works out, anonymously.
10:32 Sorry, the person that seems most disengaged at council is Mr. Hach? Someone ever removes that clock we're all in trouble.
Flock atleast engages in the conversation. Maybe you want him to shut-up and just vote as he is told?
Do you know anything about the big pow wow of city leaders at Bistro 70?
Your comment at 4:02. I always see the glass half full and as a pessimist you will always see it half empty.
You may see the glass as half full....
I see us running on empty.
Have you looked around?
Empty hotel, empty former hospital site, empty Coe site, empty CORE site, empty storefronts and many empty promises.
To 5:34 Doug Lewis(or any City manager) probably would not know your answer. The person that should have been contacted would have been the Supervisor of the Electric Department or the Electric Distribution Superviser. These two are the only ones that truly would have had the answer.
There are many, many factors that need to be taken into consideration as to how long power is out. I know this because I have been married to a lineman/supervisor for 42 years and I have a son that is a lineman for the neighboring system. Was it right to make a joke type statement, probably not but that person had no answers. The owner should have on his cell phone the important numbers of people in the city that will provide answers to any concern that he/she would have and then use these numbers.
As to what happened at this location it was not what 5:34 said as there are NO transformers underground in that area they are inside! There are connections that go bad underground. How do I know that- I asked the person that has the most knowledge of the Painesville Electric System.
FYI- Painesville City should never have any electrical outage that last days so that should have been a tip that this guy way kidding!
6:08 I believe he should have gone to the city manager. Let them know whats going on. Your solution means he can claim no knowledge.
Excuses,excuses. The next time you go shopping and a store employee gives you a smart aleck answer, remember what you just posted here.
Most people don't care whats underground only "how long do you expect the power to be off?"
People working in the public sector have no idea what kind of service the private sector is expected to provide "customers"..
Now about those 30 employees at the light plant what exactly are they doing all day? You seem knowledgeable?
The main problem with the city is that the council condones and supports the crap that goes on with the administration, the department heads and the various workers. I'm not thrilled with Flock, but he's the best we have that isn't one of "them." The rest need to go. That's where the main problem is. Now that McMahon's feet got too hot and she is finally gone, we need to clean house with the council people. But people keep voting in Hada and Hada's "yes" buddies. We need to get them all out, and have people in there who know that what is going on in this city should be stopped, and that people need to be fired. It needs to start with getting Hada out. We got Horvath out, and if we try hard enough we can get Hada and all his cohorts out, too. When the next election comes around, we need to make a good list of all the bad things he and his buddies have done, including the infamous bogus complaints and lies to keep people out of city council that he doesn't approve of. Let's fire the department head that sent that email right now. If Doug Lewis knew about it and he didn't stop it, then let's get him out, too. Then let's clean house with city council and get all these immature, nasty, bad-decision-making people out. We need to get real with the next campaign and tell the whole truth about Hada and everything he has done.
I have been in private sector for over 30 years at times as an employee, others as an owner of small businesses. I would never responded as the city workers had in either capacity. The electric worker should simply had said if he could not give an answer to contact that supervisor and given their name and number. The other solution was for the worker to contact his supervisor to have them contact the building manager.
When I worked for businesses in other communities, CEI would come and notify us if they would be disconnecting power and tell us how long to expect it to be out.
Really this is not that hard.
I believe this blog should be like the commercial that shows the woman who believes everything on the internet is true. Hah, Not. Thank you 6:08 for trying to help but I've learned you can not help those that do not want help and will continue to see things through their tunnel vision.
6:22 CEI has customers that can change power sources, as well as shareholders to answer to. Who does Painesville Power answer to?
1:33 If you check the Council-President has been around 32 years, at recent elections he garners around 1,700 votes. That not going to change soon.
We got people on council looking to seek higher public offices, maybe State Representative, or Muni Court Judge? Retired educators with time to spend, one I believe atleast to be sincer, one that just likes the power, another one looking to make sure they are on the ground floor for any city business. So you might have two or three city leaders at the most looking out for you.
The question remains who running this town?
Look people may be angry with what I do here, but I'm tired of some being told I'm living in Paradise when I see and know better than to follow them. Spend a million on two blocks of Main St. and expect what?
Loss a hospital and try to tell us something better will occupy that property. Someone comes into town to rebuild an historic building and some "movers&shakers" put up roadblocks?
Painesville for the most part doesn't even know when they are given a gift. Promises about education? Build new building scores will greatly improve? More empty promises.
How about the truth?
4:17 An city employee claimed council had dinners scheduled to interview finalist for city manager. All three dinners arranged at Bistro 70. Couldn't share the dinners with other's, say Rider's?
This city is one class act.
More co-operation from city hall.
Edited comment {names left out)
If the department head mentioned in these posts that sent the email is XXX, then they need to go away-- even before this incicident. They not only don't stop the horribleness of city employees toward the citizens, they condone and perpetuates their bad,disrespectful behavior. This behavior includes slander,lies,unprfessionalism and a maturity level that is shocking. The moral code of some of these people is beyond any understanding that I have of what professional,decent behavior should be. So beware if you have a problem with city workers and your councilman passes you off to XXX so they can supposedly take care of it instead of seeing it through themselves. Be prepared for outright immoral stupidity. Also be prepared for the bad behavior not to stop. Certainly XXX won't be fixing or stopping anything untoward being perpetuated by city employees against the citizens.
At any rate, wether that department head is XXX or someone else, I say get rid of them. It's disrespect and insubordinate behaviortowards THEIR BOSS, and they should get the boot.
Thank goodness you do have this blob, Term, because I can't imagine what would be going on without it. Look what all is going on WITH it!
The meeting at bistro 70 was a one meeting thing not three meeting. This was I believe was the final meeting in the interview process. So it was just once r
11:08 How about we split the difference? Two? Thursday Friday.
10:34 Nothing different would be going on only you wouldn't know about it. The city is not about to change the way they do business.
Term 11:33: And that is why we have to try harder to clean house around here.
Term @ 4-18 6:41,
I've seen many times you and others question what the Power Plant employees are doing. Why don't you go there and find out if it bothers you so much? I'd bet they would even give you a tour of the place.
Concerning your original post here: So what did the rest of council say when Flock told them of the email?
Ask them?
I see no action by anyone and don't expect any.
Why would they, there in cahots with the whole bunch.
He won't go to the plant to find out. It's easier to sit at home and speculate or be a spectacle at council and board minutes. One wouldn't want to go out and find the real truth would he?
10:44 Go to the plant? The whole pupose of that plant is to PRODUCE electricity, which it hasn't in the last eight months. What could I see the distribution from the grid to our grid?
I can speculate all I want along with being a spectacle at meetings . The truth is the truth. They don't need all those people.
If the city was running CORE all the employee's would still have jobs at the expense of the city taxpayers. This is a sham.
The cahots is those people will all campaign for you know who in November.
Call it what you wish I call it Grand Thief!
So, if they got rid of those power plant employees, who will operate the plant when it goes back online? You do know you need to be state licensed to operate high pressure boilers and steam turbines, don't you?
I think you are in cahots with anonymous 9:14. Maybe on in the same? CAHOOTS:Collaborating with somebody, especially with the intention of conspiring against somebody else. Cahots? Aint nuttin in the dictionary with that wurd.
3:42 cahoots, thanks
1:22 Now in the Private sector if your stop doing something for a certain length of time you lay people off. You don't keep them around because it's financilly wrong. Unemployenent costs you money. Yes but no where as near as much as what the city is presently dishing out.
The electric plant should be on standby.It was mentioned that the city would have atleast a weeks notice if the cost of power would cost more than what they can make it for. They could have coal delivered 48 to 72 hours after notification. Their words not mine.
You call them back to work if there is work. That's how things are done in the REAL world.
What will we do if the plant never goes back online?
One of the biggest problems in this city is one of the problems you mentioned in main post. City council thinks that they work for the city administration, and not the other way around. For most it doesn't matter, because they go along with and condone all the bad behavior by city workers, department heads and everyone above that level. But for some, even if they don't agree, they do nothing about it. We might as well not even have council people...they don't protect the citizens, and they don't change anything that is going on.
That's how things are done in the REAL world? eh? Obviously, you don't know much about the power industry, or boiler operations for that matter. It's not like you can hire Joe Schmoe off the street to run your boiler. They need to be LICENSED, and not many people have that qualification, so you hang on to the ones that do. My friend worked at one of First Energy's Ashtabula plants. When the decision was made to idle the plant, he was put somewhere else temporarily...NOT laid off. First Energy knew that would be a FOOLISH thing to do with people who were LICENSED and knew the plant so well. Seems Painesville is following the same intelligent path, and since you won't go down to the Plant, you have zero knowledge of what they are presently doing there. Maybe they are doing some upgrades to extend the plants life. Maybe they are making repairs that couldn't be done while it was running, or during the short maintenance outages every power plant has each year. Maybe they are even helping out other departments. Lashing out in ignorance really makes you a laughing stock. I think most people read your blog for the entertainment of it all.
TO POST 5;14 Where IS MR TIBBITS.AND MR.MURPHY???. lETS HOPE THEY ARE STILL INTERESTED SERVING ON CITY COUNCIL. "WE NEED COMMON SENSE"
6:45 What other power plant can Painesville move these employees too? No power produced for over 8 months? Will we ever again produce power. Strange how you can buy power cheaper than you can produce it yourself?
Let them work in other departments? If they work cutting grass that department has to pay their current salary. That's how you end up with people riding lawn mowers at close to $40.00 an hour.
I have to question who is ignorant in this.
Look council better understand No road levy, safety levy, sewer levy will ever pass in Painesville until the city can show us that are good stewards of the funds they presently have. We are not running a city welfare system are we?
Councilman Flock has asked for what these electric employees do all day. Two months and no response from the administration. Why not. Let them make there case.
The city must believe the employees are more important than the people living here?
If you have carried people for eight months thats more than enough.
Painesville can spend it with the best of them, saving money thats a foreign concept.
9:29, this is 5:14. Yes, let's hope Murphy is planning on running again. (I don't know Tibbits, or about Tibbits.) We have got to change the attitude of the city workers and administration. Most of them just plain need to get out, as I don't think anyone who has behaved in the manner they have behaved has any business in the positions that they are in, and I would hold out no hope in these people changing -- nor would I even care to wait for that change -- they just need to get out. There is so much nasty immaturity and immoral behavior going on that it is shocking...we have abusers and liars who are in charge of things in this city. I thought things would change, at least some, when McMahon got out, but the behavior -- morally and maturity wise -- is the same. There is a horrible legacy going on in this city, and we really need to clean house.
Is there an election for city council this year? And does anyone know if Murphy is still interested in running?
Never said he was put at another power plant...'cause he wasn't. He was given a different job until he was needed at the plant. And pay? He went there from Painesville because FE's starting pay was equal to a shift engineer at Painesville. Columbus Dispatch did a rate study and found Painesville was the ninth or tenth lowest cost electric utility in the state. Not too shabby. The more I dig into this the smarter Painesville looks!
I agree wuth you Term. The city should use the money from the Electric plant fot the roads and let these people go! you and Mr. Flock are correct! we would not need a road levey.
EXCELLENT QUESTION POST 9:29 probably the city infrastructure would be much much much BETTER, With them on the council.
5:05 Here is the rub in your arguement. The city can't take money out of the electric fund and put it in the general fund. By state law the only things the city can do with electric fund money, is increase the size of the system, improve the electrical rate....Or lower rates. Now if Painesville could lower utility rates residents might be will to pass a levy or two. That said keepimg employees working without work, sending AMP-OHIO over 2 million dollars for a bad deal. paying twice the going rate of power from Prairie State as they would off the grid. Bad investments means higher costs coming. Council-President Hada mention Painesville had the 10th lowest power rate in the city for usage of 1000 KW. a month. How many of you use that much? how about say 400 KW. Did the Columbus Dispatch also look in to what can be purchased say from Florida using First Energy lines? Electricity is complicated.
10:49 Now lets say we give him a job cutting grass. Will he be paid out of the electric fund or general fund? Will he be paid general laborer wages or Bioler operated wages to cut grass?
Answer these questions show us how smart you are?
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