"MONDAY MONDAY" mamas & papas"
Can't trust that day.
Monday evening we will have our annual July City Council Meeting. One in July and one in August.
Close to an 80 million Dollar budget and we run this city like a Junior Achievment Project?
Well the city manager will do the usual dance of moving 2012 budget money around.
Seems we had a problem at the waste treatment plant that unallocate funds need to be spent there.
Council will somewhat be forced to vote on a 2.5 mil street levy. {unless they hold a special meeting later this month} the board of elections needs to know if Painesville will want this on the ballot before we have an August meeting.
Lets add it up schools want 4 mil, city wants 2.5 mil this on top of the $96.00 a year they added to everyones utility bill last year? Hey did any of you see the Cleveland Magazine's Rate the Suburbs? Painesville has over 26% living in poverty. I will have a post coming on why I believe BOTH of these levies will pass, and it will upset some of you.
Also I would suggest all of you watch WEWS Channel 5 news Monday. They will have a special investigative report on something that affects all Painesville residents.
Let's just say it's now just starting and the chickens are coming home to roost.
You have to wonder starting Monday if certain leaders legacies in Painesville will change? One or two in particular, who pushed these projects through council.
Some of you in Galion might find this very interesting also watch at 11:00p.m.
posted by terminator1 @ 7:02 AM
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33 Comments:
Good Grief, so they are doing a story about Prairie State, who cares !! Everyone who was involved got screwed, we know that, AMP is the one that screwed all the cities, so get over it and quit using this as your agenda against Rita.
People make mistakes, no matter what job they are in. Get a life and start focusing on making this city better instead of trying to tear it down every chance you get.
You have got to be the most negative, unhappy person in this city by reading what you write on this blog.
The nightmare just started ... this will be going on for decades
6:14 Who cares? Everyone that pays a Painesville Power bill should care.
Everyone involved got screwed? Not the 60 AMP-OHIO utilities that looked further into the deal and avoided all this.
People make mistakes? We have 7 council people who's salary combined don't come close to half of the city managers, or electric superintendents salary. These are the professional experts, and when you make mistakes well what's that saying "live by the sword, die by the sword?"
I have a life Thank-You, I also have a DVD where the city manager claimed we would not pay for anything until electricity was prduced. She doesn't even know the facts, yet she recommended these crazy deals
Focusing on making Painesville better is to get new leadership along with a new city administration.
Most negative? Please try looking around a quarter of a mile from the square.
Unhappy? You might be right. I look around at my hometown, that I loved and at one time very proud to tell people that, now look what it has become?
I don't not hate or even dislike the city manager, I just think according to the Peter Principle she has no more to offer us. Lets be honest she came here to do one thing annex property, she's done that now lets get some new positive leadership. Tell me 6:14 are you happy?
I don't know about the rest of you but my electric bill seems to have spiked recently.
The question to all this seems that Painesville has alredy lost $500 thousand on this deal.
What has APM lost so far if anything?
With the bigger question why.
just read the online version of report. not the damming report you are looking for, sorry your day of reckoning wil have to wait.
It's agood start. and brings up more questions that need to be answered. I believe it's also pretty damming.
Maybe the smart move would be for
Rita and Amp to give Term $100,000 to quit posting about them?
@ 6:59
What has AMP lost ? Absolutely nothing ... they didn't sign up the contracts ... the cities did.
AMP gets a brokeredge fee off of every watt sold to the communities.. they could care less.
@ 6:14am
If you don't want to read about AMP, why do you keep coming back to this sight ...is there something wrong with you ?
We have what is known as the first amenment still in this country and TERM or anyone else is free to express their opions regardless of you not liking it or not.
MOVE TO N KOREA if you want censorship and propaganda.
2:29 no one should move, along with not being able to sellwithout a big loss. Cleveland Magazine claims Painesville's housing price is down 23%.
6:14 Is just making excuses for their boss.
OMG 6:14! Are you kidding me! We signed up for this boondoggle for 40 years, will you even be alive?
One question I hope they address; We signed a LEGAL binding contract. I am sure we had LEGAL council or at least Rita did. What attorney is responsible for reading this contract and advising the city to crawl into bed with this AMP deal. Someone needs to be held accountable for the contract. Yes, council voted for it but at the advise of whom? Last time I looked at City Council I don't consider anyone sitting at the head table an energy wizard. They were out of their element and did they really feel so omnipotent they could vote on this without legal advise? Can Council ask for legal advise in contractual obligations the city enters into? Was there a bill submitted for their legal opinion? I read the contract and saw giant gapping loop holes, 40 years, really? and I am a gardener and potter and this made me shudder.
The language was very clear we would be holding the bag........ but what could possibly go wrong? Now we know! As more of this mess comes to light who is held accountable, why do we have legal council if this is what our dollar buys?
Just a few thoughts..........
Sandy Miller
"if you're not outraged you're not paying attention"
That's huge housing drop ... wait until electric rates go up 30% next year making Painesville an even more attractive community to move to ... NOT
It's time for Councilwoman Dinallo to step up. She's the only one on Council to suggest that we need to study, investigate and research this complex issue. She purposed an Energy Committee, what happened to that idea?
Sandy a very interesting comment made by Council-President Joe Hada at last night's council meeting. "Voters will decide if there will or will not be a road levy, it will be up to them". This will bring in $620,000 a year for Painesville streets. So now am I to believe these 50 million dollar AMP-OHIO deals, I guess should all be left up to the city manager to recommend to the seven council people on council at that time? Wonder why we couldn't have been able to voted on those?
You have to also wonder how much input the city law director played in advising council?
Council many years ago, claimed Lester Nero had to be replaced after that investment failure the city suffered through years back? This AMP-OHIO failure will make Nero's failure look like a penny-annie poker game. Can anyone on council still take belive the recommendations by the present city manager?
These AMP-OHIO contract will doom the city for a long time.
5:02 I believe it was brought up last night, but what purpose would it serve if council hand picks the Energy Committee? Along with this committee not having any legal status to anyone but council?
Last night the city manager informed council there are to opening on the planning commission? Interesting, council interviews people wanting to be on zoning, or planning,these people who serve without pay for the community. Yet at the same time the city manager can hire someone to run all of of Painesville Power at $90,000 with zero input from anyone, including council? Who's running this circus?
Watching the channel 5 report last night, the Cleveland councilman claimed that there council wasn't being informed of the payments. If councilman Flock wouldn't have directly asked the city manager about the payments and amount no one in Painesville would have been the wiser except maybe someone in the city managers loop? Thank-You Andy I'm glad I have one person on council looking out for me. It seems many take the position for some self serving reasons?
Galion watched the report last night ... anger is building to near 100 % levels here
http://galionlive.com/2012/07/17/looking-at-ohio-citizen-action/
The only people thatstill support these AMP deals are the same idiots on city council that voted for them .... they still refuse to publicly admit was is going on.
November can not come soon enough for these imbeciles here ...
Interest payment double to 200,000 dollars in September regardless of PAINESVILLE/Galion receiving a single watt from Praitie State ...
Pay up ... AMP HQ needs some more lobster and champagne.
Does anyone know if PAINESVILLE uses SAWVEL & ASSOCIATES as an electrical consulting firm to the city ?
Lori Dinallo, really? She is abandoning her council seat to run for a seat in Columbus. If she can't stay focused on Painesville for four years how would she stay focused at the state level. Her larger than life billboard on Richmond St. (headed north into Fairport Harbor) is salt on the wound. How do her constituents feel about her jumping ship. I guess it's everyone for them self to get out of Painesville. The republican party had her run for council to see if she was electable. Sorry, sitting on council a few weeks is not vetted in my opinion.
I lost a lot of respect after listening to Lori Dinallo during the Steele Mansion dilemma. She put personal alliances in front of city needs and goals.
As far as a utilities commission, our opinions will never be taken seriously. I have sat on committees for too many hours and never saw any results from hours spent discussing which trees to plant or how to paint the streets. Very very frustrating. Would a utilities commission be respected or just more smoke and mirrors to keep the residents quiet. Tha AMP contract hogtied the residents from putting up wind turbines or solar panels allowing us to sell excess back to the city. Never going to happen, at least for 40 years. That contract chipped away a piece of the American Dream. Big business is winning folks and our children will pay a heavy price for our inability to stop the machine.
Food prices are predicted to go up 30-50% in the next couple months due to the severe drought this year.. Your electric bill will be going up 30%. Council would like us to pass a road levy, adding to your property tax. Council chose to put in parks and mow grass instead of community gardens. We don't have a grocery store in town and community gardens would go along way to alleviate some of the stress on household budgets. But nope keep buying trees and gas. This council has little vision for the future of a successful community.
Sandy Miller
Madpotter, I have to agree with you. I have to wonder that less than two years she would announce she was moving on. Wonder if the people who voted for her knew this if they would have voted for her? Other then making pit-bull owners happy I have not seen her bring anything to the table except ideas.
The property rights issue she believes she had corrected is in many cases still happening. They just got a little more carefull.
Hello 2:47, Yes the City has used Sawvell and Associates in the past. Even before Rita became CM.
Dinallo supports the Pit Bull issue because she has one.
The property rights issue was because they came on her property and cited her for her back yard.
She has done nothiong for this city, it was all for herself.
You are third person who has made mention on the type of dog she has although the others called it a mixed-bull.
The question for Mrs. DiNallo is if she should lose in Novemberr will she run for a second term on city council? What will the voters think?
The problem with what the city has done with the dog code, is that some breads ARE just more prone to going off than others. I used to own a doberman, and I thought that if you raised it with love and gentleness, then there would be no problems. NOT so. Some breeds are just more dangerous than others, and nothing changes that. It is unfortunate that you cannot tell which dog will go off, and which one will not, so whole breeds must be treated equally, but that is the way it should be. Anyone who is saying otherwise, I think has just not actually studied the issue. Of course, you have the problem of people teaching their poor dogs to be aggressive, but even without that, sorry to say, the breed can matter.
I also have been unhappy with Lori DiNallo from the very beginning, so I am not surprised that her votes are self-serving to herself and her needs. What a disappointment she has been.
The breed is known as the American Pit Bull Terrier and the popular regisrty for this breed is the United Kennel Club. The American Staffordshire Terrier is the formal name known for those registering this breed with the AKC (American Kennel Club.) Word games. As far as I can tell, Painesville just stepped in line with a change in an Ohio law which removed a breed-specific reference from its definition stated in the Ohio law. Ohio law also required owners of this breed to carry $100,000 liability insurance, which of course no one did. A dead horse? Maybe, but then it does concern recent city council action, and media coverage, which brings up the question: Why no local media coverage of the AMP Ohio deal? Why can city council make a change in wording to an ordinance and it hits the papers but yet loses millions on a failed coal plant and not a word of it is printed in local papers?
Kathy, I get the impression someone has someone in their pocket? The News-Herald will talk about chicken, pit bulls, almost anything but not one mention that the city has been paying over $100,000 a month since March and that will increase to $200,000 a month in September. Wish Painesvile residents could buy liability insurance to protect us from the "Professionals" a city hall.
My opinion - reporters are not paid a whole lot, considering the responsibilities they take on and the grief they get from public officials and sometimes the community. It soon becomes easier to write what I call fluff stories - you get in and out rather quickly, doesn’t require much research, and it all pays the same. So then, my opinion, the editors and upper level management at newspapers in general are to blame. Now throw in advertising dollars and it becomes easy to see how editorial content can be swayed to one direction or another, although so many in journalism will deny this happens. I’m leaning toward starting a news Web site. What do you think? What would you like to read about on a news Web site?
I'm for this idea 100% Good-Luck Kathy.
Galion law director certifies the ballot intiative to remove the entire city council and city manager ... LOL .. going to be a whale of a city council meeting this TUEDSAY night down here.
http://galionlive.com/2012/07/19/law-director-approves-charter-language-committee-calls-for-council-action/
It's PAYBACK TIME !!
I just read this - and it merely states that it is an initiative to return to a mayor form of government. They may keep the council, as most mayor communities still maintain that option. I wouldn't assume council is going to be gone.
City council will be gone in Galion ... everyone of them.
They have an approval rating of 5 % collectively and now that this AMP mess is being uncovered anger is at a boiling point.
Bring back Arlene and Hal.
Okay, everyone, 12:18 MUST be kidding. The last thing in the world we need back is Arlene and Hal. We need them as much as we need Hada and all of his bunch, and McMahon. Just like we need
another hole in our heads.
Joe Hada's legacy? Well it's Kaput!
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