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Well, attended the Queens court last night... a good number of rabbits and myself were wondering if the Queen would grant authority to purchase the rabbit holes by the river. Sad as it was, it was hard to understand why no one was held accountable for the rabbit dens not having the proper flood insurance. (That's another story for another day).
After the vote passed unanimously by the Queen's council and all numbers were explained, I asked "if you have the jars of honey, then why can't we give it to the rabbits and let them go on their merry way?" First, "that's not how Emperor FEMA operates"... I was told the city or someone else must purchase the land. Only then will the jars of honey will be released!
So the rabbits are still in Limboland.
Then one of the most idiotic things I've ever witnessed in the Queens Court happened. The Head Knight slandered (I believe) the Bear numerous times. Such as "One Bear's inhumanity to another's wild life" in the forest and many more such comments. Yes... let's pontificate to the crowd and it's great theatrics but will it move the process forward for a public official to slander a private Bear?
I took someones advice and sat down with the Bear. Was he unreasonable? No, all he wants is his fair share of jars of honey for the parcels of property he owns down by the river. When I asked the Queen, she said she had no intention of purchasing the Bears property, and had never held discussions about it. Really? I happen to know that the Queen's main Shark had met over lunch a the Elks' house with the Bear. Guess they were talking about old times?
Now when the Bear views the DVD of the meeting what do you think me or anyone else's chances are of getting the Bear to act reasonably? Knowing the Bear, he will show the Queen's council just how unreasonable he can be. Thanks for making this another Groundhog day... Knight Joe, you should have known better.
In our paper today, the Queen claims she will bid as high as 2.3 million jars of honey.... which breaks down to 60,000 jars of honey per rabbit den, not the 93,000 or 88,000 jars I've heard or seen elsewhere. [ their more money people]
Numbers of the Jars of Honey are all over the place and when the Bear views what transpired at the meeting more roadblocks seem to be forthcoming.
Also, if the Queen's court runs under Robert's procedural rules then why is there discussion on the resolution before a second was asked for? The Shark is slipping.
posted by terminator1 @ 9:19 AM
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93 Comments:
JaHada has a way of opening his big mouth and insulting people. He's done it in the past and he will do it in the future, that's how he rolls.
30 years and let's list all of his accomplishments.
We the citizens of Painesville will never see this for as usual the tape will end mysteriously.
Along with the cleck of council having her minutes censored. Is that your job?
The one statement made in the paper might not upset the Bear.
Who is this person holding up the sale? Is he/she mad at his neighbors? did she/he have flood insurance? Did shehe go to the meeting and talk? Does that person live in the city? why so quite about who this is. Has this person been in trouble with the law before? I bet if that person spoke to his neighbors everything could be worked out?
Is the Bear Dan Smith? the one who ownes all the shops in Painesville?
WOW.. does that mean you sleep with the BEAR? hmmmm
12:57 the Bear is R.E. Gibbs.who businesses operate in Painesville. Is he a resident no. How many of the flooded rabbits still live in Painesville? As if that would change anything.
I have a dialoge with the Bear, something our city leaders sdhould have, but don't.
That's why they get electric meters returned to the city, ask them about it.
THE BEAR IS THE SPOKE PERSON FOR THE CORP. which own's several parcel's of land in the millstone area. which the city leader's don't want to mention. the property is owned by main street corp. [which had insurance for all the rabbit's in the millstone area when they managed it.] THE OUEEN NEED'S TO HAVE A TOWN HALL MEETING A.S.A.P. still waiting.
Bob Gibbs, has now lost $38,000 per unit, for all of us.
thanks
4:34 Did you forget to add the state and local monies, or is it just easier to blame Gibbs?
Considering that you (as a collective group) would have only received $7894.74 (300,000 divided by 38) you should be grateful that you get even one penny more than that. I truly feel sorry for your misfortune but no-one owes you anything. How can you possibly blame Gibbs for costing you money that you don't have and were not insured for the loss of?
I hear that the council meeting lasted so long that they ran out of tape to record it? I guess those of us that were unable to attend will be deprived of hearing the illustrious remarks alleged to our esteemed council president and I do so enjoy watching him insert his lower extremity into his oral cavity. (a change of pace from Werner)
I am still lost on all of this. So the Bear (Gibbs) is holding out because he is going to lose money that should rightfully be his? Or am I missing something here? If he had everyone properly insured to begin with, then he ended up underinsured also when the condo association took over? Is he the one who built these? Did he own all of these, and had them properly insured when it was his responsibility to do so? But then the condo association took over and did not have proper insurance, which messes him up, too? Is he holding out because they are not offering to buy out HIS property, too? And if so, why aren't they? How could they not and expect anything to go forward. I am so confused.
Do you KNOW whose fault it was that there was not proper insurance? I don't understand the homeowners whining like everyone owes them something. Do we technically owe them something, or are we bailing them out of their own mismanagement? Term, can you start at the beginning and tell us what you know?
And what's the deal with the electric meters? I'm so lost.
The people who owned these condos keep acting like the citizens of Painesville owe them something. Do we? The council sits up there bleeding all over the place for these people, and JOe Hada had the nerve to be saying what he said about Gibbs. I'm not saying that I have no sympathy for these poor people, but what in the world is actually going on here. In plain English, please someone explain. There must be a lot I am missing. Should I drop my homeowners insurance and expect my fellow citizens to bail me out if I suffer a loss, or is there just a lot more to this story? Or maybe they didn't have flood insurance and were aware they needed it there? Or maybe they didn't have flood insurance and were NOT aware they needed it there. Can someone please start at the beginning?
7:43 and 7:54
Google Robert E. Gibbs, and anything about him Painesville, Oh
The reason this has been drawn out by Gibbs is the City of Painesville injected themselves into this over a way to save money on a watertreatment plant loan. Either they didn't know or didn't care that along with the Millstone and Gristmill property there are five other parcels that are owned by Gibbs and they interlock. He met and informed the city law director what he believed was reasonable compensation for the property and has never heard back from them. This is why we are in court. The road down to the condos is one of these properties along with property along the rivers edge. The reason this all happened was this condo association didn't not garner the proper flood insurance not Gibbs when he ran the association he had over 3 million dollars woth of flood insurance [I seen the policy]
Now Painesville helped secure FEMA money and part of the agreement is that they would pay pre-flood value [$93,000]
I don't understand why you can't give all the condo owners $93,000 and be done.
No, the city wants to pay 2.3 million why?
Why does the city wabnt to aquire this property so bad?
Somethings smells and to be honest time will tell.
As far as the remarks made at Monday nights council meeting, a little bird explained expect more court filings.
The whole 3 hours of the council meeting is viewable on ch.12
After the grandstanding by Hada and thev tears of the former residents who would not understand their plight?
Then again how many of these residents relocated in Painesville?
The school's lost what kind of tax base by closing of Millstone and Gristmill? millions?
Then the CM lies and said they can't be rebuilt? Better lookm at the law lady.
Mr Gibb is a wonderful person..I dont have enough time to write all the wonder full things he has done for Painesville and the county! I wonder if the Painesville chamber will have him voted citizen of the year for 2012. Did he find an electric meter? Did he return it to the city.. That was very nice. those meters are very expensive.. Maybe some of you can write in a tell a good story about this warm and fuzzy man. I thinks he also builds some wonderful looking homes
Wonderful homes? So are you saying those condos weren't worth $93,000?
The average selling price was $70,000 now you want to complain?
You haven't seen the improvement our city manager has made?
She got us into an electric plant for 38 million, that shutdown and we only owe over 2.7 million for it, and not even enough power for a nightlite.
Now see agrees to spend 2.3 million for something that's worth $195,000? Some improvement,not much
Thanks for the explanation, Term. I'm still somewhat confused. I'm guessing it's probably because what is happening doesn't actually make sense, right? How could the city of Painesville possibly think they would buy this property and not go into negotiations with Gibbs? It seems like he just wants what should be rightfully coming to him, no? None of this actually sounds like it's his fault, so why would he suffer a huge financial loss, and just walk away. From what I understand now, I think I would be fighting, too. And why would the city be so unreasonable and ridiculous to not acknowledge that he owns property that is crucial to the deal? How do they expect to get around that? And how much money have we spent on legal fees because of their nonsense. (Is that what is going on here? That's what it seems to me.)
Do we know if the individual property owners knew that they were so underinsured (or not insured) for floods? Any way you look at it, this is our taxpayer money, whether it comes from the city or the federal government. The condo owners seem to have a sense of entitlement from the taxpayers. Do we know if they knew they did not have the proper coverage? Oh, and why was Gibbs not covered with an insurance policy that would have paid him for his loss? Or is it all tied into the same insurance policy that the association took over and then did not adequately insure?
I'm still smarting from the city's refusal to negotiate with some property owners that made us lose the hospital. This is an entirely different deal, but it seems like unreasonableness rules their negotiations here, too.
Do we know whose fault it was that there was not adequate insurance?
And finally a question that you cannot answer -- why are these people still in office? Again, I can make no sense out of their nonsense. Given what I now know, I cannot believe that they are all sitting up their bleeding for these people (not that I don't have sympathy), nor can I believe Hada's attack on Gibbs, when there is a Gibbs elephant in the room that is not being adequately dealt with. This is very confusing, just like everything else this city does. I think they figure if they turn things around in enough bundled up messes, then we won't be able to figure it out and they can get away with whatever they want to. And they are usually correct in that thinking. This just feels like another fast one to me.
To 10:29 AM
You don't really know Mr. Gibbs, do you. He is the guy that built those homes in the millstone area that flooded. He is not a nice man or a good neighbor.
So the city has acquired this FEMA loan, they are going to pay all the owners, except for Gibbs, and Hada is making speeches about Gibbs' inhumanity to man? And they've spent how many thousands on legal fees trying to get away with screwing this guy? I'm assuming these legal fees are coming out of city coffers? So it's not technically Gibbs' fault that this is held up, right? The city is doing it and blaming it on him? What in the world is going on here?
Since this is happening in our city, and this is our money, whether it is city or federal money, I think we do have the right to know all the details on this case, including who is responsible for not having the proper insurance and who did and did not know about it. Does anyone have this information?
Anonymous Lost, The story line is in nursery rhyme form so as to not to liable people. Best not to name names so no one can come after the blog. Oh-so typical of what goes on here.
10:29 am
You must be a crackhead.
So even if Gibbs had 3,000,000 worth of insurance on the place when HE had it insured, if part of that was not adequate flood insurance, then he didn't have it adequately insured either. Do we know if HE had flood insurance on those properties? Were they even in a registered flood zone and required to have flood insurance?
To A.a.L...it's "libel"...not "liable"...I only jump on the spelling police bandwagon because the choice of word changes the meaning of the sentence. And although you may be right that the reasont this particular issue is written in fable form is to keep the heat off the blog but I prefer to think its Term's creative way of entertaining us locals.
to post 9:46 the corp 270 main st. is not holding up any settlement of millstone properties. what we tax-payers want is our FEMA money spent wise. this is not going to happen if a sheriff sale happens. PAYING 2.3 MILLION FOR LAND VALUED 195,OOO DOLLARS IS NOT A WISE INVESTMENT OF OUR TAX DOLLARS. city council need to resolve this before any court ordered sale. concerned tax-payer.
the people holding up the millstone settlement is city council and the one man is the law director. not the man JOE HADA IS TRYING to blame. all they have to do is talk to all the land owners as was pointed out by angilo at the council meeting.
6:54 Thanks for getting it.
Now the real problem here is that the Bear will hold the rabbit's money up as long as the Queen does not acknowledge his property rights down by the river and receives just compensation. For how long? I've been told the Bear has a cub that would take over if the Bear permanently hibernated.
The Queen injected herself in this why? Ask her about a loan over the water treatment plant?
Seems the Queen is the only one who will pay 2.3 million for something worth $195,000. Give the proper share to the bear, and the condo owners and move on. Where in the charter does it state the city should get involved in the real estate business?
A final thought when the Steele Mansion caught fire where was our city manager with 1/38 of the help provided at Millstone. The company was under insured also. Where was her and Joe Hada"s compassion then?
I guess you can pick and choose where you want too. Sorta like water lines.
It just all seems so fishy, just like everything else that goes on in this town. Anytime there are all these dollars and the deal just doesn't make sense ...
It just, again, makes me think "investigation".
And we just keep going from one deal worth millions that doesn't make sense to the next and the next and the next.
Term, do you know if that was a known flood zone and if they were supposed to have flood insurance on it, and did not, or were they not aware?
I sure would like some info on that water treatment plant loan you are talking about.
it's "libel"...not "liable, Apologies. The mind went one way and the fingers another. I find the nursery stories difficult to follow as most of us do not know who is who. This is just amusement for me, for entertainment I'll go to the movies thank you.
Sorry I'm LIABLE to go nuts here. I received FEMA money within a couple of months of the flood. Granted it was nowhere near the amount of loss the people at Millstone suffered. Why and how did Painesville get their hands on these peoples FEMA money?
Then the council law director makes a comment that the city isn't part of the lawsuit?
What is Painesville bring to the table? These people have a right to the FEMA money and it seems the only thing holding it up is the city wanting to a1quire the property.
It is so wrong in so many ways for councilman Hada to inject his personal comment about a private citizen and five minutes later being told the city was not part of this lawsuit.
To 4:12: Wow. I, for one, want to thank you for the input. Hadn't considered all of that.
The city got into this deal because they have a side deal going on with the state of Ohio. Term...correct me if I'm wrong but the city borrowed money from the state for a project and the interest on the loan is about 1 million bucks. If they went through with this deal and acquired the land then the state would forgive them the interest. See...it's always about following the money....not a bad book keeping move but please don't cloak it in altruism or paint Gibbs as the bad guy when its really all about finishing up a deal that very few people even know anything about. That's why the city got involved...so pay Gibbs a fair price for his properties and let the Millstone owners move on before Ohio changes its mind and decides they would rather have the cash than a little floodplain by the lake.
Yeah council...the state's strapped too. They just might get tired of waiting and then we'd owe another cool mil. Try explaining THAT one at the next election.
Holy crap. Interest on a loan, etc., etc., etc. Why is it that the citizens know nothing of this? That's right, they are sitting up there giving people half the story, as usual, which is why nobody can make any sense out of it. Then they are acting like they are the angels of Painesville. My Gosh, can we get rid of these people already? So McMahon (city manager, in case A.a.L 12:57, or anyone else is not familiar) sits up there and says that Gibbs (the Bear) and his property have never been discussed! First of all, I don't believe anything that comes out of her mouth. Secondly, why has he not been a part of these discussions? How could that possibly be? Unless I am missing something here, or just do not understand, it seems it is the city's fault that there is a lawsuit, no? Who would possibly have property there and be okay with not being part of the discussion/negotiations. Hada (Council President) is making nasty statements about Gibbs while there is this whole huge underside going on here that none of the citizens are even aware of. Well now I know why it wasn't making any sense to me. What in the world is going on here?
11:28 I am trying to get the information on the grant Painesville applied for Millstone on top of and after FEMA money is spent. Congratulations to the city manager who has made it impossible for any sane person to bid on that property besides the city. For the last time it was not done out of the goodness of anyone heart.
Damn that Bob Gibbs! He caused another flood.
I'm not sure where all of you were when the city went after this money, but it was explained in detail at the council meetings.
The city had to do upgrades at the sewer plant to comply with new EPA regs, to do these upgrades the city needed to take out a loan. At the same time the EPA had a program that would give back all our interest paid on the loan to purchase property that could be turned into green space. We then used that money to get matching funds from State and Fed (I think some was FEMA) so that we have 2+ million dollars to purchase the flooded condos with the stipulation that it is turned into greenspace.
Gibbs owns property next to the old condo property, Painesville does not have money to buy that property, CANNOT used the grants money to buy it and has no obligation to buy it from Gibbs. Why is he upset?, because with that land as greenspace instead of condos his property becomes less valuable.
People pay more to buy property by greenspace.. So there is no development.. don't they?
Where is Mr. Gibs during all of this? Has he come to the council meetings to meet face to face with council and the public?
I've only caught a few meetings on TV and don't recall him being at them.
He does attend council meeting on and off. He was at the meeting the last time this was in front of council for a vote.
Why would he meet face to face with council? They said they weren't part of the lawsuit.
As Mr. Gurley said this will be resolved in a court of law.
SOMEDAY
A couple of questions, please.
I watched the council meeting and a man stood up and said that they had flood insurance, but it was bad, "lemon" insurance. So this apparantly is a known flood zone, and they were required to have flood insurance. Does anyone know what went wrong with the insurance? Were they under insured, or insured with a bogus company, or what?
Is any of the FEMA money that is available to the city because of the condo owners flood insurance, or no? Did the city acquire all this money on their own, or did they build upon what the citizens already had in the way of insurance coming to them?
If some of the land that is owned by Gibbs is the road going in (if this is correct information), how does the city plan to get around this?
Is Gibbs technically going to lose anything, except for maybe some of the value of his property? Is he doing all of this because he wants the area rebuilt to protect his property values? Is he the good guy that is getting done over by the city, or is he the bad guy making problems just because he can. I am still very confused, although it has come into focus a little from all the good information in the posts here.
You have to wonder how this whole mess got started. What is "Lemon Insurance"? I have no idea? He left his phone number so call him.
Who did something wrong? Who has been held responsible for this failure? FEMA money comes from the Feds how Painesville got involved is anyones guess.
Gibbs is neither the "good" guy or the "bad" guy. If this plan the city goes through with. I figure his land is worthless. What would you do?
I believe the city jumped into this to stop any rebuilding and never realized Gibbs own five parcels of land down there. Wonder what the state would think if they knew the problems going on? I will tell you that if the condos get pre-flood value for their land, why doesn't he?
When the city manager said "she" never had negociations with Gibbs she's telling the truth. My follow up question should had been has anyone in her administraton talked to him.
I Have a feeling this settlement got kicked down the road.
NEWS HERALD SUN FEB 27 2011 PAGE 14. painesville does not have ANY F.E.M.A. MONIES YET. PER:MR.LEWIS. of painesville city, plus he is going to let people trespass on private land to gain access to the river. INTERESTING. concerned tax-payer.
Term 12:22: This is 9:34. Thanks for the info. Yes, I am trying to figure out just what went wrong in the beginning and whose fault this is, too. I really think that since our city is so involved that we have the right to know. I hadn't considered that his land would be worthless, as you have pointed out. Now that I AM thinking about it, it seems that at least part of it (I don't know the details of what he has there) will be of no value except for a tax bill. In that case, wouldn't the city be obligated to buy it from him under these circumstances? And your question about why doesn't he get pre-flood value if the other people do seems like a valid one. What does the city think they will gain by making him go to court, I wonder. Does the city have an alternative move they could make, like paying him his fair share? Did they just forget to put his land in the application, and now are standing back and claiming they are not involved in the lawsuit, although they are in this up to their eyebrows?
I believe the city manager got involved with this so she could get the loan forgivness from the state, not for the residents down there, and it sota backfired.
The city claims not to be part of the lawsuit? If not why are they controlling the terms FEMA money for the residents?
This is one strange story that I hope ends well for everyone.
A thought... Painesville City Schools is asking for a 6.5 mil levy. What was Gristmill and Millstone paying in property taxes? What's the reason for taking it off the tax rolls?
A passive park?
It just gets curiouser and curiouser. The more pieces that come together with this mindboggling puzzle, the more I realize how many of the pieces are missing, and shocked that it STILL doesn't make sense after all of this figuring. What in the world is going on here?
Term, what kind of property does The Bear have there, and where is it? (In broad terms, is good enough.)
What is the Lake County's Value pre-flood.. The county always values the property more then what you really can buy it for anyways.. So how much is the value? How many parcells? any of the parcells under water..
There is a house on Chestnut St. that the bank now wants them to have flood Ins. back to the first day of the 2 year old loan, the poor people are going to lose there house, how un-fair.
There must be a least one person who reads this blog that knows what happened with the insurance on these places to begin with. Can someone speak up and let us know what the deal was there? Was there adequate insurance, but no flood insurance even though this was a flood zone, or what? As I said before, even if Gibbs had adequate insurance, if there wasn't flood insurance, this mess would have happened under his watch, too (which is neither here nor there now, but very curious to know what kind of insurance he had, too). Does anyone have this info that will share it?
When the Bear was in charge of the rabbit holes he had 3 million jars of honey that insured the property against floods. When the rabbits took over the rabbit hole association for some reason only 300,000 jars of honey insured the property against flood?
Tell that nice gentleman there is no such thing as Lemon Insurance.
7:35: Good info. Thanks. Do you (or anyone else) know how the association ended up getting only 300,000 worth of flood insurance? Who made the decision, who knew about the decision, etc.? Was everyone made aware that that had changed?
THE LAW DIRECTOR JOE GURLEY KNOWS THE ENTIRE MILLSTONE STORY. heve the council president have him to explain it to the council members in a open session. waiting to hear. tony.
MILLSTONE DID NOT FLOOD THIS PAST WEEK. INSTERTING. water flooding and alot of damage all over the city. interesting. MAY-BE WE SHOULD DEVELOP OUR RIVER FRONT.
Read the paper today, you hit it right on the head. Do you know Hada's address so I can send him a Thanks!
Tony 7:28: Good idea. Let's quit guessing, and have them give us all the info at the next council meeting. Andrew Flock, are you reading this blog? We would like you to tell them that the citizens want to be completely informed now. We want the whole scoop on what happened with the insurance mess, whose fault it was, who knew about it before the flood, why aren't they talking to Gibbs (and "because we aren't involved in the lawsuit" is not a sufficient answer), and anything else you can think of that we deserve to know. Give them a heads-up that we want to know, and maybe they could give you the info before hand, so you can see what they are going to purposefully leave out, and get it put in. We also really need to know exactly how and why the city got involved, all about the water treatment plant loan and how that figures in. We need to know if the citizens were eligibly for the FEMA money on their own, or if the only reason they are getting it, or anything else, is because of the city. I'm sure you'll have to predigest this info if you can, as I said, because I am sure they will do whatever they can to not be forthcoming with us. Andrew, are you out there? Term, how often do you see/talk to Flock?
Yes, anyone who has any facts on this case, please post them here. And where is John Murphy. He's a good investigator/fact finder. John, are you out there? What do you know. Between Term, Andrew, Murphy, and anyone else who has facts, we should be able to get to the bottom of this whole deal. And it is definitely time for the city to just flat-out give us the facts, all the facts, without Fodor or anyone else interrupting. By the way, Flock, thanks for fighting so hard for the citizens at the last council meeting. It was good to see that, and I am sure the people affected by that really appreciate it.
We also need to know what and where are the properties that Gibbs owns there, and why is he not part of the negotiations with the city? I'm not saying that he should be, just if not, why not? Is there a reasonable explanation for that? That is one of the main parts that do not make sense to me. How could one person be excluded and what would be the reasoning behind that?
After watching the council meeting, along with reading the paper I have two questions.
Who's paying for the condo's associations attorney?
Along with a question to the people who lost property down there. Do you care who owns the property if you get your pre flood value?
I have a feeling city hall pulled a fast one on you.
Hey John Murphy! Thanks for trying to get us info on the whole Millstone deal. I'll have to watch the meeting again, but I am under the impression from my first viewing that they purposefully gave no more information than we already had, which is really zip. I'm really appalled at Hada and Gurley. Instead of nastily saying that they had a meeting three years ago, and then taunting Murphy about it (was HE there, etc.), we deserved to have the whole truth about that meeting. Notice not one ounce of info was forthcoming. Then Hada goes on a huge, na-na-na-na-na attack on Murphy. If they have nothing to hide, then why is the information STILL not being told to us? There is nothing wrong with Murphy asking those questions. Notice they were not answered. Really, I smell a rat here. I think we need this investigated somehow by someone who will look at the whole thing and see what in the world is going on here. Again, if they had nothing to hide, they would have maturely and intelligently given the information and then some. I smell a rat. I smell a rat. I smell a rat.
Funny John should get credit for at least getting Law Director Gurley to admit to a meeting. "You weren't there how do you know what was discussed?"
At the Feburary 22 meeting I asked if the city had any contact with 270 Corp. or Bob Gibbs? No one in the administration spoke up and if's hard for me to believe our city manager was unaware of the Law Directors meeting.
I assume the city jumped into this fray without looking at the Auditors mapping site.
Our City Manager has somehow wrapped the condo's FEMA money in her possession, yet at the same time not being part of the Lawsuit?
FEMA,the directors of the condo association. 270 corp. should sit down and work this out without the City of Painesvilles involvment.
I see no end to this as long as Painesville holds the cash.
Yes, Term, actually you are right. John did finally get them to admit that there was a meeting. But then Gurley and Hada started getting nasty instead of giving information. You know, I think that McMahon said at the last meeting that SHE did not have a meeting with 270 Corp. Would have to go back and look, but she is tricky with her words when she is hiding truths. I'm pretty sure that is what she said, because when she said it, I thought that it sounded like she was skirting the truth. It WOULD be just like her to say that SHE had not had a meeting, but to leave out that someone else from the city had. Although, when you think about it, it's probably unlikely that there was a meeting that she did not attend. They are good at pulling tricky stuff like this, so it's hard to know. One thing for certain, however, is that there WAS a meeting, and this is the first time that anyone has heard of it. I think it just accidentally leaked out in the middle of Hada's snideness. And then DiNallo speaks up and asks Murphy what good would it do for the city to have a meeting with 270Corp. Unless I don't understand, my first reaction was that she must be kidding. The city is involved with this up to its neck, and we now know there WAS a meeting three years ago. Something is just not right here. If it was okay, then we would have the information, and they wouldn't be trying so hard to confuse us and to withhold information. I smell a rat. Does anyone have that last council meeting on tape so we can see what McMahon said, if anything, when she was asked if there had been a meeting with 270 Corp.?
1:13 She said she never had a meeting with 270 Corp. I believe her, but she failed to add that someone in the administration had.Smooth uh?
If the city really cared about the residents at Millstone they would find a third party to act as an arbitrator and settle this.
This won't happen because if the city doesn't take possession of Millstone they, not the resdent of Millstone will lose a $900,000 grant from the state. More on this deal soon.
Then I will have to do a post on "Bear tear down that wall"
Term 1:43. This is 1:13. Then it was exactly like I remembered it. McMahon said she did not have a meeting with 270 Corp, but then failed to mention that someone from the city had. Slimy. Very slimy. I knew at the time it sounded like one of her lies of omission. Anxiously awaiting more info. Glad you and Murphy are on the case.
Term, can you and Murphy also try to find out what happened with the insurance for these properties in the first place? (Start at the beginning sort of thing.) It's amazing that the citizens don't even know THAT much, isn't it?
Topic of meeting is Gristmill/Millstone. McMahon explains all. 2008
SPECIAL COUNCIL MEETING
MONDAY – JUNE 23, 2008 – 6:00 PM
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These interesting paragraphs popped out to me from the above mentioned council meeting. I re-read it because I remember the city manager stated the WRRSP had nothing to do with Millstone...but I guess it does....and how does it benefit the Millstone residents? It seems it saved her from paying a loan for the water treatment plant. Maybe I will finally get an explanation at the next meeting. Could that money be used to purchase 270's property...and if not...why not?
Ms. McMahon stated the proposal is more inline with a Metroparks type of park. It is open space.
Ms. McMahon stated she recommends the City continue with the FMA, HMGP and WRRSP grants to
benefit the residents who have suffered and protect the area from any future flooding problems. There are
more benefits than controls. Ms. McMahon again stated she recommends the City continue down the path
of the last two years and make offers to property owners.
Ms. McMahon stated the WPCLF would generate $3 million. This money is to be used to make
improvements at the Water Pollution Control Plant and it is tied to the WRRSP. The interest from the
WPCLF will be used for the WRRSP and that is how the City gets the $1.3 million. In order for the City to
secure the WPCLF it had to approve the rate increase. The City had to meet certain criteria for the loan
funding to show we had sufficient funds to pay the loan back.
Term 6:03: Okay, so there is the second piece of misinformation being fed the peasants. I have a feeling there are a lot more. All you have to do is to watch Gurley and Hada's reaction to Murphy to see that. You and Murphy have Rita (McMahon) doing her routine double-talking (to put it mildly) and Gurley and Hada abusing the citizens. What ugly outbursts by them. Doing everything they can to NOT supply the information asked for and to shut up anyone who is asking. As usual. Curioser and curioser.
9:59 All I can tell you is "that's how they roll"
I hope for a Federal investigation into all of this.
I know the Ohio Attorney General should be involved.
This is not how we do government business in this country.
I just wish some of the Millstone residents would inquire more.
Many Millstone resident realize they are at the city managers mercy. How and why has never been explainedto them?
Where else can they go?
270 Corp. will take this to the end of time.
If the truth were known Joe Gurley runs the city of Painesville, all of it. Rita McMahon and Joe Hada are just goofers that better do his bidding.
Term 8:25: I am so glad to hear that you are hoping for investigations. Me, too. And when they get here, I hope someone wants to investigate the many, many things that have gone on in this city for years.
Does anyone have the information about what happened with the insurance on these places to begin with? If so, please explain.
If anyone wants to see who Gurley and Hada really are, just watch their reaction to John Murphy at the last council meeting. If this wasn't such serious business, it would actually be funny. Like two nasty school boys on the school yard abusing and bullying someone. And the stuff that Hada was saying to Murphy was outrageous and uncalled for. Pretty shameful behavior by the two of them.
And if anyone wants to know who McMahon is, outlined here are two pieces of misinformation (to put it nicely) that she is handing out to the citizens. And this is just concerning this issue, and this is just what we have uncovered so far. This crap goes on all the time. We need investigations into a lot more than just this deal.
Has channel 5 or the attorney general been notified of what is going on?
We seem to need an a third or fourth or fifth party to sort out the mess.
The fact that the city would hold onto to FEMA money intended for condo owners seems really out of whack.
Where is FEMA in all this? Where is LaTourette or Sherrod Brown or any other elected official?
more high paid politicians sitting on their thumbs.
And I still want to know what happened in the very beginning, meaning what went wrong with the insurance on these places? Exactly what did they have, was it flood insurance or was flood insurance not included. If it was included, how much flood insurance did they have? If there was not enough, whose fault was it and who all knew about it? Certainly we are owed those answers.
in answer to post 7:14,councilwoman lori diNAILLO,would have your answers in regard to the insurance coverage. here is her email address, idinallo@painesville.com .cell 440-669-2284.share with us your information, once you get it. curious about MILLSTONE.
This is 7:14 in answer to 4:17: Thank you for the info. I won't call her for personal reasons, however, but I am hoping that someone else will, and let us know the whole scoop. This should be our information to have.
How about I show you the memo that the insurance company sent to the Condo Association in 2003?
It is beyond me how and why they left this slip by.
Term 6:51: Can you post that here, or at least just type it in?
stop by murphy's house 127 chestnut st. he can give you a copy of the insurance warning letter of coverage change in 2003. three year,s before the water problem. INTERESTING.
11:06: Can you just put the information on this blog? The citizens of Painesville are totally involved in this, seeing as how our city leaders are in this up to their necks. Can you just tell us what it says?
To 4:13....I called LaTourette's office a while back re: the misguided AMP - Ohio deal....the attempt at pacification (by e-mail...no personal response) was more double-speak....he doesn't get 'involved' with local government entities and how they choose to do things. My response was: "even when the people involved are YOUR constituents and are being led down a primrose path?" Any satisfaction we might get will have to come from a concerted effort by us citizens ourselves...it sure isn't going to happen with the present elected (or appointed/hired) bunch.
That's an interesting response. I believe AMP-OHIO is engaged in interstate commerce? I always thought that was Federal domain?
They operate in aleast five states that I know of.
To 4:42....Glad you want to get informed..but what would you do if this blog didn't exist? Term is a private citizen that truly cares and he does the best he can do with what he has to work with here. It wouldn't kill you to stop at Murphy's and pick up information...Murphy doesn't care what your politics might be...he's more interested in getting facts out in front of people...whether they vote for him or not. You will be pleasantly surprised if you take that extra step to be involved.
To 6:04: I am not GETTING involved, I AM involved. You should not be making assumptions like that. I know Murphy personally. Certainly I could pick up the paper, or call him on the phone, for that matter. Fact is, this blog DOES exist, thanks to Term, so why not just print it here for everyone to see? (And I certainly will back Murphy in the next election, as I have backed him in previous elections. I don't believe we could ask for a better candidate, so I wholeheartedly agree with you on that point.)
Posting the insurance letter on this format is near impossible.
I want to aleast people see it instead of me writing it out again.
Murphy maybe your best option.
Term, this is 1:40. Can you at least just tell us what it says? Also, have you received any more info on what happened to the insurance on these places to begin with?
OK 1:40...I stand corrected and apologise for making a wrong assumption. Glad to hear you're backing Murphy too...I couldn't agree more with you as well!
This is 1:40 to 6:25. Apology accepted. Thank you.
Murphy for Council!
Pass it on!
John Murphy will make a presentation to council at Monday nites council meeting. He will explain to residents about Millstone that Hada and Gurley didn't.
Concerning 7:37: This is very good news. Will be waiting. Thanks, John.
Will he be able to make a thorough presentation in three minutes? Good luck Murphy....hope you don't get insulted or talked over too badly.
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