"PAINESVILLE RECESSION-PROOF?"
A recent comment on "Recession What Recession" grabbed my attention. even payed me a compliment.
3.What does Mentor cutting their budget have to do with Painesville?
Mentor population is alot higher percentage of white collar, higher middle class people. This is great for them in good economic times, but those are the type of jobs that are gone when companies buy and sell each other. Painesville's blue collar lower income population is an advantage right now. If the economy continues to fail we will eventually feel the pain, bot we will be the last.
Does this theory hold water? I have heard from people who work at "blue collar" jobs in Painesville about plant shutdowns,eliminatiom of shifts, people cuts on all shifts ect. I realize mergers cut "white collar" jobs but will we be the last to feel it? I'm starting to believe everyone will be in for a rough 09' Hope I'm wrong. but maybe Painesville should be preparing for the worse?
posted by terminator1 @ 5:32 PM
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24 Comments:
This theory holds very little merit. There are already alot of people receiving some form of public assistance, plus people on Social Security, and pensions who the city does not collect any income tax on already. Don't kid yourself the pink slips will not be checking collars. Were all in the same boat. We will need real leadership now and it will be interesting to see how city hall deals with the problem.
Kinard
term, I can only hope you are wrong about next year. I am 25 years old and I have never seen people this nervous, amd that only making it worse. The city still collects alot of utility money so they should be O.K. Painesville is a tough little town, you probably already know that.
T.S.
I am not sure where Kinard got info to make his statement but anyone who has ever studied historical economics should understand that cities with high rates of certain jobs always fare better in a recession. Health Care, Government, Education, Legal Services are all job sectors that do not "Fail" and go away during a bad economy.
Since we collect income tax from people who not only live here, but work here, we will not feel the recession pain as bad.
Painesville's largest employers are government and Health Care followed closely by Education. When you add that job base with a balanced residential base of blue collar/service type families we are definately in a much better position to weather this economic recession than most other cities.
BATMAN
Painesville's survivability will prove to be the diverse workforce. Unlike some communities that are built around one type of work facility like a coal mine or a prison. I think that based on the fact that there are so many different types of jobs that cuts will come to a few but not all. Imagine if this local economy was built on a grain processing plant? Or an other single employer that needed to make big cuts to survive financially. The local economy would take a dip and feel the pain all over. BUT, we are very diverse and that, I think, will be the reason that Painesville fairs very well in this time. JT
Oh yes, we will survive. The questions remains; "How Well?"
We were driving through downtown the other night and said; Wow remember when we took the kids to top floor of Carlise's? I think it was Candyland or something like that. Remember when we used to walk downtown and take the kids to see Santa.
I can't believe we have lived here 24 years! How did that happen? We are seeing business fail left and right around town.
I also think 2009 is going to be a tough year for many..... locally and abroad. 2009 will be akin to turning the Titanic around. Maybe a silver lining in the whole mess will be folk returning to neighborhood shopping.
For the last 30 years we went out and dipped our toes in the world ocean of imported goods and it was good...... too good! We now are seeing people start to save their money and come back to the local economy.
We have the perfect size town to do extraordinary things during a difficult time. We must think on our feet and be able to adapt quickly. Council needs to have the vision to move forward and not stand by scratching their heads.
We are not recession proof, and don't kid yourself by thinking we are.
MP
I remember a surplus Up to $218,000,000,000 Dollars. Poverty at 20 Year Low, Household Income at All-Time High and we had Peace and Prosperity! Then, on Jan. 20, 2001 a new guy took over.
Give me a break! This isn't all the fault of the current administration. You can follow the clues back to Clinton and before. Why not stick to facts instead of doing a political bashing. That is the only thing you are good at. And you don't feel you need facts to back it up. Just go ahead and bash bash bash. You get nowhere. And I'm so sure we will be in good hands come inauguration. NOT!
And the current President is hosting a party today at the White House and packing to move to his new $3.5 million dollar estate in Dallas.......... he has become the invisible President. Perhaps his name will go down with Nero (fiddling while Rome burns) or Marie Antoinette of "Let them eat cake" fame.
Did you just use a "Not!"? Did you pick that up from a 12 year old? I take that back, I don't even think 12 year olds use that anymore.
Every year that passes from 2001 makes it tougher to blame stuff on Clinton. Its 2008, soon to be 2009. You are really pushing it now. There are many traits a good leader has but one that completely escapes bush is an ability to accept responsibility when he should and people like you and Rush enable him.
This topic was about the recession so I let these comments get posted here, that said do you really think it makes a difference who's in charge?
yes. Trickle down economics vs. investment in infrastructure to build the economy and totally different priorities with regard to the tax scheme and deficit spending. I am not inviting a bash whomever over these issues, just saying it make a difference.
This is class-warfare and the little guy is getting killed.Ask yourself why weren't the Wall St. guys put through the ringer like the car guys? how many jobs on Wall St. and how many with the big three?
Mr.Rellik
Whatever Madpotter says is the gospel. She walks on water.
Sorry Tony Rezko, your comment has been moved to the other site, {spelling and all} what does tat comment have to do with a recession?
The automakers at least make something, what does wall street make? Dont say money, they just redirect it. I watched these comments and Painesville can't fall to far, Hell, we've already lost almost everything.
G.E.
gee thanks....... cause I'm neck deep and baling!
There was an excellent interview on NPR today. The very famous or infamous gentleman interview was asked what he thought of the current state of affairs and how we got here. Did he think we had a chance at turning things around........
The interview-e summed it up by breaking this down in the a wealthy vs. middle-class mentality.
Found it quite interesting as I ususally hear this individual turn the channel.
Bush came from a very wealthy family. The wealthy are taught early on if you want to play soccer you get a coach, a fine coach and become a better a player. You flunk math you get a tutor. He explained it is not about trickle down but more of an attitude; "Let's wait and see what happens". When wealthy children got into trouble there were lawyers, therapists, coaches or whom ever you might need to get you out of a stick wicket, then sit back and see if they get you out of trouble. 9 time out 10 they do and life goes on, none the worse. There is never an urgency to "do something". Because there wasn't an urgency in this administration many folks got hurt and even when cries from the middle class came up to Capital Hill there was still a wait and see attitude. We still don't see President Bush saying too much on any of this.
He is eager to retreat to Dallas, start writing his memoirs and getting his library underway.
The interview-e went on to point out in a middle class or below middle class family you need to change quickly or loose your place in line. There is need to change and adapt. If you loose your job you don't need a therapist, you need a job fast.
It was a very good interview with lots of stuff to ponder on. And one mans opinion on how this country might have a chance to get moving again instead of standing on the station watching the train pull away......... We do not want history to repeat itself. We do not want to fall into a depression.
MP
Did you notice noone asked the Wall St. CEO how they got to the meeting? Now certain senators want to holdup the money for the auto industry. after O.K.ing $700 Billion for Wall St. If I were Obama I would tell them folks if your that crazy about saving money the troops start coming home 1/20/09 and I will make sure that pork for your state never makes it.
Joe Yes I work for GM
On the radio this morning, Avery-Dennison Fasson to layoff 36 workers in Painesville. Well Rita thats another aleast 32,000 of income tax we won't be seeing, got any ideas?
Mr.Rellik
I don't know that Rita can do anything to affect the global market for products made at Avery. Good try at pinning something on her though. But let's give you the age old challenge that is never answered on this site - What would you do if you were in her place?
I would resign because I would realize I was in way over my head, and that I had a good severance package.
Her job is prepare the city for whats coming, no one blames her for any crisis. Everyone else is getting ready but we increase the budget? The first thing she should do is cut out the overtime unless its an emergency. I watched her try to justify on T.V. No overtime for training, going to the shooting range, sight team ect. The only person allowed to miss work is that fireman in Iraq. I think some people are abusing the system.
Mary Poppins
Well we now know of 36 people that weren't.
G.E.
Those 36 peopl didn't abuse the system but those 36 people didn't work for the city either.
Overtime is often cheaper than hiring someone new. No overtime for training? Then training won't get done because they won't have time during normal hours, so we will either have to pull people off duty or go with untrained people in the field. How is either a good idea?
You gave ideas, albeit bad ones, but ideas all the same for how to reduce the city's budget. Have has anyone ever asked her how she intends to deal with it? Maybe she already has ideas and if she does they are most likely better than yours. She actually knows how 32,000 will affect their multimillion dollar bodget.
How do you even know that those 36 people generated 32,000 in revenues for the city? Where did you get that number from?
did you wonder why the police dept spent 300,000.00 on over time. other town's tell at meeting's what they do in detail why not painesville city. ALL THE SALARY'S come out of OUR GENERAL ACCOUNT THIS MAY BE THE REASON we cannot repair our street's . STOP THE CROOK'S... CITY HALL EMPLOYEE 11..
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