"ILLEGAL ALIEN " genesis
Consideration for your fellow man
Wouldn't hurt anybody, sure fits in my plan
Over the border there lies the promise land
Visitor time at the council meeting;
At least 40 people attended to voice disapproval to Painesville's adopted police policy about when to notify ICE officials about foreigners at odds with the law.
Now these people were organized, There was also no more than two Hispanics no children. These were Caucasian people voicing there thoughts I counted at least 16 that came to the podium with pre written short statements. This included city resident's as well as out of the area and a Nun. Myself stay in your city please don't come here and tell us how to run Painesville?
Look I understand their point but the police have a job to do in this city.
Under the policy, issued by Chief Powalie, Painesville will call ICE about any foreigner charged with a drug offence or violent crimes, including domestic violence and driving while impaired. Also any foreigner found affiliated with gangs or other group's. Seems very reasonable
Now I understand and can sympathize with there cause. I do not see this policy as unreasonable or having anything to do with profiling?
As they came to the podium , I kept thinking of that woman who was brutally raped shot and left for dead as well as the woman on the bike trail that was shot in front of her children. What if anything could have prevented this? This is the result of an illegal Painesville resident. These people should have to face the families of these victims and explain their feelings to them.
Immigration is a federal problem. But I ask what should the Painesville Police do with a violent criminal? No answer to that was given. no solution at all.
Elections have consequences and one of these will be stricter border policies. That's just fact.
Since believe most of these people were Catholic as I am one question? Do you elect a Congressman who is pro-life and anti- immigrant or one that is pro-choice but also pro-immigrant?
It's a dilemma for all of us.
Let us remember we all have Hispanic neighbors the ones I know respect everyone as well as take pride in their property. It never occurred to me to question their legality.
Well that took up the first hour of the council meeting.
posted by terminator1 @ 7:21 AM
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41 Comments:
Guarantee you won't find these stories in the News-Herald, Tribune or Painesville Pride. Thanks Term!
So, if I understand you correctly, people who are here illegally but have committed a crime (DUI, drugs, domestic violence, etc) should just be allowed to go on their merry way?? I am 100% sure that would not happen if I am stopped by the police. I had better be able to prove who I am and that I have all my ducks in a row.
We, as a society, employee the police to do a job that we don't want to do ourselves as well as to enforce the laws as they are written.
The job of the police is difficult in the best of circumstances. I know I would not want to do their job.
Don't like thew law? Work to change it.
Most of these people speaking were NOT from the City of Painesville. Like you say, take on problems in your own town. We don't really need your "help".
To be VERY clear, i have no issue with any people who come here and abide by the laws of the land. Crossing a border, illegally (and for any reason) is not following the law.
I listened to the parade last night and I am against racial profiling however if a legitimate call is made and there is an issue I support the police to call ICE. The illegal who went on a rampage last year had been stopped for suspicious behavior and cut loose. Had the police turned the guy over to ICE maybe a woman wouldn't have been shot in front of her kids and the other woman would have been spared her life. I absolutely support the police on this issue. If you have issues with this legislation Katie Jenkins asked residents to email or call her. So if you're passionate about this issue get in touch with your council person.
Honestly, I was more concerned about all the rule on vacant property, renters etc and escalation fees! I left the meeting and thought holy cow we gotta get out here!
8:00 I don't know what's so hard to understand? If the police don't do anything and something happens people will ask why didn't you follow the law? If they do something than their mean people?
8:17 Yes Katie put herself out there direct your responses to her. Holy cow your right!
I applaud the police for making illegals follow the laws and for turning them over to ICE when they don't. Last I knew, all the illegals got passes around here, no matter what they did, while the legal citizens get hung for having rolling papers or running a stop sign on a nobody's-there road. I support the police in this; it should have happened sooner. I hope they stand their ground, continue to think straight and not listen to the bleeding-heart nonsense, and uphold the laws of our city and country.
And, yes, 8:17, this town and it's ridiculous, over-the-top penalties for everything and anything, would be a good place to get the heck out of.
It's really too bad the supporters of illegals just cant understand - Illegals are breaking the law, simply by entering our country illegally. There are proper avenues to follow but they absolutely do not want to do it the right way.THEN become angry when they are caught or possibly deported. No Sympathy here. Maybe if some of these supporters lost their jobs due to needing to speak Spanish on a job. Or if we knew where these supporters that came were from we could go to their city/township meetings and ask their city become a sanctuary city - ya know, just to help the illegals out.
12:38 You can't understand them and they can't understand you. The law's the law.
8:25 I don't think passes are getting that easy. The police have a job to do and they do it. The problem these people have is they want the crimes left 'in house'. Myself if these people are involved in violent crimes I want them gone. Period.
Gone, period, I concur.
Sometimes police will video people and their license plates so that they can be identified later. Wish a citizen reporter could have done that for us. It would be fun to know who from where, and who paid and/or organized them TERM, was it HOLA?
11`:55 I don't believe so. That said what exactly do they want the police to do? Best guess a church group.
Who amongst us would want violent criminal left if you could call three letters and they would be gone?
What type of crime is illegal entry to this country? Meaning a felony, misdemeanor? etc? Does it matter what type of crime is committed = bank robbery? Drug use? auto accident w/o insurance?petty theft? The first crime the illegals committed is coming here without taking the proper channel. That in itself is a criminal offense. Ask David Joyce or Mike DeLeone. They want the letter of the law upheld.
VOTERS: Please when Painesville City "needs" another levy coming up Remember this. The bottom of the barrel continuously and we pay so much to keep them in business. WHY?
This article at Cleveland.com
These are Lake County schools only.
A GPA for every school district in Ohio and ranking best to worst: Ottawa Hills, Solon lead
September 26, 2016
# 60 Mentor 2.40
# 66 Kirtland 2.33#
# 84 Perry 2.20
Riverside 1.67
Willoughby- Eastlake 1.50
Madison 1.33
Wickliffe 1.33
# 587 Fairport Harbor 0.50
# 592 Painesville 0.50
Painesville City #592 out of 608 schools in Ohio
1:56 What kind of crime is it if an employer hires an illegal alien? Is this a felony or a misdemeanor? See anyone getting charged let alone convicted?
Mike DeLeone? Hell he's picking and choosing federal laws he wants followed! He's our community decider. Our own A la carte Councilman who I guess must not understand simple federal law. Seems like a ton of that presently going around.
Councilman Deleone is guided by republican politics. If they said that cities could become locations for growing pot why not a sanctuary city? Over some payola ruling down in Columbus I guess in his way of thinking now Painesville could become one? I have to agree with you it appears he contradicts himself from meeting to meeting and sometimes rabbles on about nothing. We have Gurley we don't need him. Can't wait for Coulson to be asked what he thinks about one of his assistants promoting weed?
Hey 2:15 - as a teacher in the district, isn't it amazing that districts like Solon, Mentor, Kirtland, and Perry have higher scores? Oh, that's right, they all have significantly different (and higher) socioeconomic factors. Oh yes, they also have amazing levels of parent involvement in the schools. Let's talk about how many of our kindergarten students come in below where they should be. Is that the school's fault? The parents in this district who do care do a great job, but they pale in comparison to what are happening in the districts you mention. What about the diversity? Again, not as much as at PCLS. I'm not saying we couldn't do some things better, but to blindly compare us to Solon, Mentor, Kirtland, and Perry is somewhat short-sighted, as you don't include ALL of the factors that make us different. I personally love working here and love my kids. Even if I get them below grade level, most of them make a year's worth of growth (or more) in my class. These types of things are not easily quantified on a snapshot rating system. I take great pride in seeing my students grow up and become successful adults. I would encourage you to come to a school to see for yourself the good things that are going on, as we are so much more than an arbitrary number.
2:15 PM. Now you need to realize how much we spend per student in each of those systems and then you will really be outraged.
4:56
Have you been to Solon recently?
I suspect you have not because Solon has become WIDELY divergent in the people living (and attending schools) there.
Using and blaming parents is a crutch.
I am not saying it is easy but you know what you are up against.
BTW, remember that every school is measured to the same numbers. Someone is always going to be first and someone will always be last. We seem to be last a lot.
4:56 So we can assume you believe it's not enough parent involvement?
See the problem is in a few short years is that our young resident's will be competing for jobs and other opportunities against those kids from Perry, Solon and Mentor.
I guess from what I am hearings is resident's don't feel they are getting enough "bang for the buck?".
Painesville resident's see a decline in home values and believe one of the main reasons is low school test scores?
I ask you do you live in Painesville? Do you send your children to PCLS? Why? Myself I respect teacher's and there are a few that do.
Maybe if we sent administrator's to the Southwest part of our country instead of Germany we might learn something. Only if we had time for that!
Word on the street a new levy is DOA.
To 4:56 socioeconomic? As in factors, status, class? Lets see... I'm sorry but the students of these schools receive free breakfast and lunch during school, they receive the lunch box program in the summer, there are numerous opportunities for free food throughout this city. They receive clothing from the schools, supplied by donations from residents and local school clothing drives along with coats during several local coat drives. They receive free backpacks filled with supplies(yet still do not have a pencil or paper for class?) Not to forget the free education along with everything else free. I'm sorry these children do not have the best of everything but are they getting by? Lets look at the shoes, purses, phones and the designer clothing they do have. Poverty is NOT an excuse for not making decent grades. Poverty is NIT an excuse for their poor behavior, negative attitudes and their bad behavior, which will in the future be the blame for those that become criminals. So please stop making excuses for these children and their parents.
I've been to Solon, and I say again, PCLS is twice as diverse. I looked it up. And the socioeconomic factors are again way different. 15% of the households make over 200k. Education is a given expectation there, not here. Education is something to attain to there, not always here. It's not as easy as you might think. Schools are not the same as when you were there. To just look at a ranking is a shallow measure of all the good that is happening.
4:56, wow! No these students will never excel with a comment like yours! The real world is diversity and how to excel in a diverse society. Solon is a good example. How about administrative policies? I have no doubt kids do come out of PCS and excel somewhere but I have a child who needed tutoring in math and science upon entering college to catch up to the kids in the same grade level from other area schools. We as taxpayers supported local schools and those new schools didn't help test scores did they? Maybe you need to go to a few successful inner city schools where children do come out prepared to engage in society. It's offensive that you turn this onto parents when the picture is so much bigger. And I am a parent that supports common core. I absolutely will not for another levy until there is a change in the administration, not the teachers, the administration. The amount of money spent per student in Painesville is obscene compared to other systems. So figure out a way to get parents, grandparents and a community involved in the schools. Good Luck and make your union work for you and your students.
6:05 So if I understand you , you wish not to pay for filet mignon prices for Salisbury steak? Yes the community puts forward a good effort to provide for our student's, recently at an elementary school in the lost and found I witnessed numerous winter coats just disregarded. Were most of these coats provided without cost to the students?
1:06 If we don't look at ranking what should we look at?
12:47 Interesting who are they making excuses for?
1:06
Okay, you say that the 'ville is twice as diverse as Solon. Making the assumption that you are correct, why the difference in test scores? Are you saying the Solon's students are just naturally smarter? Just exactly what are you telling us?
I understand that 15% of the households make over 200K per year. Is that an excuse for students from poor families, in Painesville, to avoid studying?
Let me ask you a question. Very simply put, if we (the taxpayers) were to double YOUR salary, would you be able to get every one of you students to pass the proficiency tests? How about if we triple your wages? I would bet a lot of money that you could not make that deal. IOW, spending more money does not assure us of success. Conversely, blaming the test score failures on others, year after year, is a cop out.
I never said it is/was easy. In fact I said the contrary. However, it is your chosen job to educate children, not to make excuses as to why it can't be done. Don't let the inmates run the asylum.
Last but not least, you have no idea when I was in school so saying they are not the same as when I was there is an ill-formed opinion. BTW, I have to tell you that not a day goes by that I am not thankful for the teachers I had in third through sixth grade. They taught me things that I use every single day. I wish I could let them know how much they have meant to me. Oh, they were teachers in the PCLS's.
You obviously misunderstood my post, I feel that diversity is important, I just think that comparing us to Solon is a little ridiculous. I'm sorry if you thought new school would equate to higher test scores..I sure didnt. Additonally, our district has studied many successful inner city schools for years, and have done the exact same things they did, but didn't have the same results. Look up 90-90-90 schools. Again, the ADM is always changing what we should do...when you constantly change the variables, how do you know what works?
" To just look at a ranking is a shallow measure of all the good that is happening."
Kind of like watching a sports contest and saying that the final score didn't reflect all the good plays the losing team made.
6:05 here. I did a bit of homework on the Ohio Report card site.
City of Painesville current report card:
Achievement - F
Gap Closing -F
Graduation Rate- F
Prepared for Success - F
K-3 Literacy - F
Progress - B
What percent of funds are spent on classroom instruction?
65.7 Where does the other 34.3 percent go?
Compared with other schools around the state.
City cost per student performance rating
Painesville $7893.00 65.0
Steubenville $7037.00 95.7
Monroe $6921.00 72.3
Alliance $7756.00 72.3
Fostoria $7913.00 72.8
Perhaps Mr Shepard should be headed to Steubenville instead of Germany.
"PAINESVILLE RESIDENTS VOICE OPPOSITION TO POLICE POLICY ON IMMIGRATION News Herald 5-25-17
Enterprise Title Agency Owner Don Denny was first in line to express his dissatisfaction with the policy.
Sister Dolores Mikula, who works at St. Mary Church in Painesville shared a scripture from Matthew 25 in the bible that discusses helping those in need.
Mikula said the Latino parishioners and members of the community are broken, marginalized and fearful of the policy.
Residents from other communities including Mentor, Perry and Willoughby said the policy can be viewed as hostile, can cause legal citizens to be profiled based on their appearance and language and families can be separated through deportation.
Painesville resident Kathy Deane said that conversation was just the beginning and hopes to continue the dialogue."
What in the heck don't you people understand? - Illegal immigration is breaking the LAW. PERIOD
Correct me if I am wrong but isnt a school district one of the big things people look for when buying a home? Who is buying in Painesville? Oh, wait the illegal immigrants are. So therefore the blame goes back to illegal immigration again? Paco & Maria are legal Americans. They then harbor 10 illegal relatives in the home and if those are children they will attend PCLS because by law the school must allow them to attend and educate them, even though they do not want to be in school here. Because in Mexico you do not have mandatory schooling. This is one of the reasons the district rates so poorly. No entry tests, no vaccinations required, proof of residency overridden. Just come on in tp Our Land of Plenty, like ya did to Geneva, trash it and eventually return to your motherland. Reminds me a little of the Vikings.
I see the N-H is right on top of the news again.
Like the way the covered the MJ factory, today (as a headline story) I see that there were a lot of people speaking out against the policy of the Painesville Police concerning immigrants.
This story is only 8 days old now.
I guess I wonder why they publish it at all if they are going to be so late with it.
Don't want anyone to know??
Why would anyone buy this paper??
12:57 Obituaries and crossword puzzles?
11:18
Obviously you noticed the same thing I did.
Almost no one who spoke that night is actually a Painesville resident.
Why should our Council care what they have to say at all??
I will believe they care when they invite illegals to live in their house.
Till then, go visit your own Council meetings.
2:48 The comparison is not between Painesville City and Solon it compares all school districts in the state. This is not a wealthy vs poor report. BTW you teach in this city but do you live in this city? Send your children here? Most of the teaching staff do not live within the city walls. Wonder Why?
Question for you:
If the local police pull a vehicle over and find out about someone making counterfeit $100 bills, should they not report it to the proper authority?
After all, that is a Federal crime, not local.
What is the difference??
just as a note on diversity. Check out this website--The Most Diverse High Schools in the Cleveland Area: Yep, Harvey is #1 (!) and Solon ranks down at #20, so it's not really that diverse. If you check the overall Ohio high schools, Harvey is #3. That should be something to be proud of if the academic ratings were higher!
https://www.niche.com/k12/rankings/public-high-schools/most-diverse/m/cleveland-metro-area/
11:18 IF our academic ratings were higher? There NOT so what's to be proud of?
5:02 Point taken
5:10 If money was the solution.
4:41 On the whole they were well mannered and didn't "demand" anything. But I agree stay in your own town.
re: reply at 11:18 --that's why I said "if the ratings were higher..." I thought that was clear. My point is that Harvey is much more diverse than all these other schools in upper middle class towns claim to be. That's not an excuse to not have higher academic rankings, but in a poorer town like Painesville where many parents are struggling to get by, focusing on their children's education--especially since the parents themselves haven't had many educational opportunities--is much harder. This should go without saying. I went to Harvey just a few years after you and as you know it was never regarded as some academic powerhouse, even in the late 60's and 70's! To pretend it can ever reach the level of a school system in an affluent town is unrealistic. That said, aren't there always kids who excel? I think a couple of years ago a young man from Harvey got into Cornell, right? The opportunities are there, it's just a matter of getting kids to take advantage of them.
The last I knew, there is/was no measure in the testing process for diversity.
The only thing that really matters is wheather the students leave with a marketable skill or the ability to go on to higher education with success.
The rest of it is smoke and mirrors.
I don't see any towns "claiming" to be diverse, that statement came from one of the early posters in this thread.
BTW, look at the changes in Beachwood if you really want to see a change in diversity. Yet they continue to turn out quality students because that is what is expected and demanded.
10:52 No there isn't. We were also told at the time of the Bond issue that grade scores would improve? New buildings would attract more qualified teacher's. That the Bond issue would also increase property values. That's what we were promised.
Promises made, promises not kept.
Another Levy up coming in November - lets give em more money then so we can be told things should improve. How many times can the voters be tricked? The schools need to eliminate all English speaking faculty and staff, hire Spanish only speaking staff, teach in Spanish, test in Spanish, lower all expectations then maybe will see an improvement.
re comment 5/27 10:52--
"BTW, look at the changes in Beachwood if you really want to see a change in diversity. Yet they continue to turn out quality students because that is what is expected and demanded."
not to keep nitpicking, but please look at my link of 5/26 11:18-- "most diverse high schools in the Cleveland metro area." Beachwood is #28 on the list (again, Harvey #1). Sorry, Beachwood is NOT THAT DIVERSE compared to P'ville. Plus Beachwood is an affluent town. Hard to make fair comparisons with Painesville (and let me reiterate, none of this should be an excuse for Painesville's academic rankings to be a low as they are)--
https://www.niche.com/k12/rankings/public-high-schools/most-diverse/m/cleveland-metro-area/
933 how are parents struggling to get by in Painesville? They have everything handed to them so no need to work for shelter, food or clothing. BUT there is a need for nicotine, alcohol, designer kicks, purses and phones. Bottom line it's all about PRIORITIES and theirs are totally out of whack. No need to get an education for you or your child as everything is provided for you. This really needs to stop. Those that truly are in need yes but everyone else - get off your duffs.
2:48 PM Is ADM changing what you do or is it the state of Ohio? As a former teacher, it was always the state changing the rules, tests and ways. ADM did make changes within the buildings, but not nearly as those sitting at desks in Columbus who don't, can't and won't walk the walk.
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