Tuesday, May 16, 2017

"ILLEGAL ALIEN " genesis



Consideration for your fellow man
Wouldn't hurt anybody, sure fits in my plan
Over the border there lies the promise land



Visitor time at the council meeting;

At least 40 people attended to voice disapproval to Painesville's adopted police policy about when to notify ICE officials about foreigners at odds with the law.

Now these people were organized, There was also no more than two Hispanics no children. These were Caucasian people voicing there thoughts I counted at least 16 that came to the podium with pre written short statements. This included city resident's as well as out of the area and a Nun. Myself stay in your city please don't come here and tell us how to run Painesville?

Look I understand their point but the police have a job to do in this city.

Under the policy, issued by Chief Powalie, Painesville will call ICE about any foreigner charged with a drug offence or violent crimes, including domestic violence and driving while impaired. Also any foreigner found affiliated with gangs or other group's. Seems very reasonable

Now I understand and can sympathize with there cause.  I do not see this policy as unreasonable or having anything to do with profiling?

As they came to the podium , I kept thinking of that woman who was brutally raped  shot and left for dead as well as the woman on the bike trail that was shot in front of her children. What if anything could have prevented this? This is the result of an illegal Painesville resident. These people should have to face the families of these victims and explain their feelings to them.

Immigration is a federal problem. But I ask what should the Painesville Police do with a violent  criminal? No answer to that was  given. no solution at all.

Elections have consequences and one of these will be stricter border policies. That's just fact.

Since  believe most of these people were Catholic as I am one question?  Do you elect a Congressman  who is pro-life and anti- immigrant or one that is pro-choice but also pro-immigrant? 
It's a dilemma for all of us.

Let us remember we all have Hispanic neighbors the ones I know respect everyone as well as take pride in their property. It never occurred to me to question their legality.

Well that took up the first hour of the council meeting.



 

21 Comments:

At May 16, 2017 at 7:39 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Guarantee you won't find these stories in the News-Herald, Tribune or Painesville Pride. Thanks Term!

 
At May 16, 2017 at 8:00 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

So, if I understand you correctly, people who are here illegally but have committed a crime (DUI, drugs, domestic violence, etc) should just be allowed to go on their merry way?? I am 100% sure that would not happen if I am stopped by the police. I had better be able to prove who I am and that I have all my ducks in a row.
We, as a society, employee the police to do a job that we don't want to do ourselves as well as to enforce the laws as they are written.
The job of the police is difficult in the best of circumstances. I know I would not want to do their job.
Don't like thew law? Work to change it.
Most of these people speaking were NOT from the City of Painesville. Like you say, take on problems in your own town. We don't really need your "help".
To be VERY clear, i have no issue with any people who come here and abide by the laws of the land. Crossing a border, illegally (and for any reason) is not following the law.

 
At May 16, 2017 at 8:17 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I listened to the parade last night and I am against racial profiling however if a legitimate call is made and there is an issue I support the police to call ICE. The illegal who went on a rampage last year had been stopped for suspicious behavior and cut loose. Had the police turned the guy over to ICE maybe a woman wouldn't have been shot in front of her kids and the other woman would have been spared her life. I absolutely support the police on this issue. If you have issues with this legislation Katie Jenkins asked residents to email or call her. So if you're passionate about this issue get in touch with your council person.

Honestly, I was more concerned about all the rule on vacant property, renters etc and escalation fees! I left the meeting and thought holy cow we gotta get out here!

 
At May 16, 2017 at 11:28 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

8:00 I don't know what's so hard to understand? If the police don't do anything and something happens people will ask why didn't you follow the law? If they do something than their mean people?
8:17 Yes Katie put herself out there direct your responses to her. Holy cow your right!

 
At May 16, 2017 at 8:35 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I applaud the police for making illegals follow the laws and for turning them over to ICE when they don't. Last I knew, all the illegals got passes around here, no matter what they did, while the legal citizens get hung for having rolling papers or running a stop sign on a nobody's-there road. I support the police in this; it should have happened sooner. I hope they stand their ground, continue to think straight and not listen to the bleeding-heart nonsense, and uphold the laws of our city and country.

And, yes, 8:17, this town and it's ridiculous, over-the-top penalties for everything and anything, would be a good place to get the heck out of.

 
At May 17, 2017 at 12:38 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's really too bad the supporters of illegals just cant understand - Illegals are breaking the law, simply by entering our country illegally. There are proper avenues to follow but they absolutely do not want to do it the right way.THEN become angry when they are caught or possibly deported. No Sympathy here. Maybe if some of these supporters lost their jobs due to needing to speak Spanish on a job. Or if we knew where these supporters that came were from we could go to their city/township meetings and ask their city become a sanctuary city - ya know, just to help the illegals out.

 
At May 17, 2017 at 4:48 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

12:38 You can't understand them and they can't understand you. The law's the law.
8:25 I don't think passes are getting that easy. The police have a job to do and they do it. The problem these people have is they want the crimes left 'in house'. Myself if these people are involved in violent crimes I want them gone. Period.

 
At May 18, 2017 at 11:55 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Gone, period, I concur.
Sometimes police will video people and their license plates so that they can be identified later. Wish a citizen reporter could have done that for us. It would be fun to know who from where, and who paid and/or organized them TERM, was it HOLA?

 
At May 18, 2017 at 12:55 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

11`:55 I don't believe so. That said what exactly do they want the police to do? Best guess a church group.
Who amongst us would want violent criminal left if you could call three letters and they would be gone?

 
At May 18, 2017 at 1:56 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What type of crime is illegal entry to this country? Meaning a felony, misdemeanor? etc? Does it matter what type of crime is committed = bank robbery? Drug use? auto accident w/o insurance?petty theft? The first crime the illegals committed is coming here without taking the proper channel. That in itself is a criminal offense. Ask David Joyce or Mike DeLeone. They want the letter of the law upheld.

 
At May 18, 2017 at 2:15 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

VOTERS: Please when Painesville City "needs" another levy coming up Remember this. The bottom of the barrel continuously and we pay so much to keep them in business. WHY?
This article at Cleveland.com
These are Lake County schools only.
A GPA for every school district in Ohio and ranking best to worst: Ottawa Hills, Solon lead
September 26, 2016
# 60 Mentor 2.40
# 66 Kirtland 2.33#
# 84 Perry 2.20
Riverside 1.67
Willoughby- Eastlake 1.50
Madison 1.33
Wickliffe 1.33
# 587 Fairport Harbor 0.50
# 592 Painesville 0.50
Painesville City #592 out of 608 schools in Ohio

 
At May 20, 2017 at 9:52 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

1:56 What kind of crime is it if an employer hires an illegal alien? Is this a felony or a misdemeanor? See anyone getting charged let alone convicted?
Mike DeLeone? Hell he's picking and choosing federal laws he wants followed! He's our community decider. Our own A la carte Councilman who I guess must not understand simple federal law. Seems like a ton of that presently going around.

 
At May 21, 2017 at 11:27 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Councilman Deleone is guided by republican politics. If they said that cities could become locations for growing pot why not a sanctuary city? Over some payola ruling down in Columbus I guess in his way of thinking now Painesville could become one? I have to agree with you it appears he contradicts himself from meeting to meeting and sometimes rabbles on about nothing. We have Gurley we don't need him. Can't wait for Coulson to be asked what he thinks about one of his assistants promoting weed?

 
At May 21, 2017 at 4:56 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 2:15 - as a teacher in the district, isn't it amazing that districts like Solon, Mentor, Kirtland, and Perry have higher scores? Oh, that's right, they all have significantly different (and higher) socioeconomic factors. Oh yes, they also have amazing levels of parent involvement in the schools. Let's talk about how many of our kindergarten students come in below where they should be. Is that the school's fault? The parents in this district who do care do a great job, but they pale in comparison to what are happening in the districts you mention. What about the diversity? Again, not as much as at PCLS. I'm not saying we couldn't do some things better, but to blindly compare us to Solon, Mentor, Kirtland, and Perry is somewhat short-sighted, as you don't include ALL of the factors that make us different. I personally love working here and love my kids. Even if I get them below grade level, most of them make a year's worth of growth (or more) in my class. These types of things are not easily quantified on a snapshot rating system. I take great pride in seeing my students grow up and become successful adults. I would encourage you to come to a school to see for yourself the good things that are going on, as we are so much more than an arbitrary number.

 
At May 21, 2017 at 8:35 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

2:15 PM. Now you need to realize how much we spend per student in each of those systems and then you will really be outraged.

 
At May 22, 2017 at 9:31 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:56
Have you been to Solon recently?
I suspect you have not because Solon has become WIDELY divergent in the people living (and attending schools) there.
Using and blaming parents is a crutch.
I am not saying it is easy but you know what you are up against.
BTW, remember that every school is measured to the same numbers. Someone is always going to be first and someone will always be last. We seem to be last a lot.


 
At May 22, 2017 at 9:39 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

4:56 So we can assume you believe it's not enough parent involvement?
See the problem is in a few short years is that our young resident's will be competing for jobs and other opportunities against those kids from Perry, Solon and Mentor.
I guess from what I am hearings is resident's don't feel they are getting enough "bang for the buck?".
Painesville resident's see a decline in home values and believe one of the main reasons is low school test scores?
I ask you do you live in Painesville? Do you send your children to PCLS? Why? Myself I respect teacher's and there are a few that do.
Maybe if we sent administrator's to the Southwest part of our country instead of Germany we might learn something. Only if we had time for that!
Word on the street a new levy is DOA.

 
At May 22, 2017 at 12:47 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 4:56 socioeconomic? As in factors, status, class? Lets see... I'm sorry but the students of these schools receive free breakfast and lunch during school, they receive the lunch box program in the summer, there are numerous opportunities for free food throughout this city. They receive clothing from the schools, supplied by donations from residents and local school clothing drives along with coats during several local coat drives. They receive free backpacks filled with supplies(yet still do not have a pencil or paper for class?) Not to forget the free education along with everything else free. I'm sorry these children do not have the best of everything but are they getting by? Lets look at the shoes, purses, phones and the designer clothing they do have. Poverty is NOT an excuse for not making decent grades. Poverty is NIT an excuse for their poor behavior, negative attitudes and their bad behavior, which will in the future be the blame for those that become criminals. So please stop making excuses for these children and their parents.

 
At May 22, 2017 at 1:06 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've been to Solon, and I say again, PCLS is twice as diverse. I looked it up. And the socioeconomic factors are again way different. 15% of the households make over 200k. Education is a given expectation there, not here. Education is something to attain to there, not always here. It's not as easy as you might think. Schools are not the same as when you were there. To just look at a ranking is a shallow measure of all the good that is happening.

 
At May 22, 2017 at 6:05 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

4:56, wow! No these students will never excel with a comment like yours! The real world is diversity and how to excel in a diverse society. Solon is a good example. How about administrative policies? I have no doubt kids do come out of PCS and excel somewhere but I have a child who needed tutoring in math and science upon entering college to catch up to the kids in the same grade level from other area schools. We as taxpayers supported local schools and those new schools didn't help test scores did they? Maybe you need to go to a few successful inner city schools where children do come out prepared to engage in society. It's offensive that you turn this onto parents when the picture is so much bigger. And I am a parent that supports common core. I absolutely will not for another levy until there is a change in the administration, not the teachers, the administration. The amount of money spent per student in Painesville is obscene compared to other systems. So figure out a way to get parents, grandparents and a community involved in the schools. Good Luck and make your union work for you and your students.

 
At May 23, 2017 at 9:40 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

6:05 So if I understand you , you wish not to pay for filet mignon prices for Salisbury steak? Yes the community puts forward a good effort to provide for our student's, recently at an elementary school in the lost and found I witnessed numerous winter coats just disregarded. Were most of these coats provided without cost to the students?
1:06 If we don't look at ranking what should we look at?
12:47 Interesting who are they making excuses for?

 

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