Tuesday, May 2, 2017





Ain't got nothin' but love babe,
Eight days a week.

 Today May 2, 2017 News-Herald
above the fold;

City Council OKs sale of land

Medical marijuana facility planned for North State Street

3 acre @  $45,500      30-40 full time jobs

By Tawana Roberts

I respect Tawana as a reporter but nowhere in the story is it said this news is eight days old. Neither was it published before last nights council meeting?

No  where  in the article was it stated how council members voted? Smartest member of council Lori DiNallo who for whatever reason had the sense to skip this one on April 24th.

So let's review;

Growth Orchard approached the city sometime in February, Painesville showed them property in Renaissance Park. (wetlands) No go to close to Hachs house.

Now the administration must not have noticed or didn't care how resident's voted on this Marijuana issue and seen no reason I guess for a public hearing? So the Renaissance deal fell through. And a wise decision was made on some excess property on North State St. in a residential area. Where the Planning Commission will be forced to make a 'spot' zoning change. Don't expect any 'process' from the planning commission.

So NO public hearing, No TV on the council meeting of April 24, 2017, No release of minutes of that meeting last night. Nothing on the city website about the vote. Don't bother calling city hall their putting in 'new' phones again? This s simply a news blackout so no one knows until it's all done.
Our new city manager has brought some new tricks with her or she viewed how a certain city manager kept check on the media?

I questioned council of this theory and councilman Mike DeLeone responded, 'we can't control the media" sorry Mike I know better any news agency wants to stay in the good graces of an administration. He again added about the Ohio Constitution passing this, and seriously Mike do you think you can convince people  of this fact? A bunch of farmer legislators who somehow must have got something for going against the will of the people? I can't tell if Mike is arrogant or ignorant? Wish he would check back on his reasons for telling people why  Painesville couldn't be a Sanctuary City.
Guess he's an ala carte politician?

I must say when I was given the opportunity to ask law director Gurley a question, "if the cultivation, process or sale of marijuana was against federal law?" Without hesitation he answered YES! Well at least one person under the 'Golden Dome' understands the law? Wonder if council people even asked? as well as administrator's?  Guess on the plus side we can now have a Grateful Dead Event Downtown? Or let's get high with General Paine!

And as a private citizen you have to wonder if a private citizen say Joe Blow  owned that property on North State St. if the city would have and will jump through the hoops like they did for city owned property?

I would love to debate councilman DeLeone on this subject, but I get three minutes and he gets all the time he needs. I guess Mike must think medical marijuana can only be grown next to our sewer plant on State St.?  Maybe that's why there was no public hearing?

Truthfully I don't believe this is about medical marijuana but how our city operates.

Something smells and it ain't the Pot!

The only other thing of importance at last night's council meeting was the first reading of an Electrical Committee. Five members I don't even know if they have to even be city residents? This committee will have ZERO power and will probably only be used to blame  higher electric rates on..
Maybe they can get some AMP-OHIO reps serve?


At May 2, 2017 at 1:03 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Trying to figure out the free food give away coming up at the YMCA. This article was in the News Herald: District Feeding Those in Need by T.Roberts. Amber Torres, PCLS Family Resource Center director. What a job! What is her rate of pay? Union or Non? City resident? Her statement the closest grocery store is Giant Eagle, of course noted in Painesville Township and that is too far for some to walk. Really?
It's just a short distance from the YMCA. Now, EVERYONE knows the city doesn't have a grocery store and hasn't for years. The last one couldn't keep up with the rate of theft. What kind of Kool-Aid are they drinking there? Students will preform better? No Way. Everyone in the district is 'entitled' to free breakfast and free lunch. We have a summer meal program, back pack buddies and more free food than anyone wants. Most of these people are on welfare, SSI, assistance yet we still have to feed and clothe them too. Ya know, I was raised to appreciate what I earned and worked for, when it's handed out it 's not appreciated and then only want more.

At May 2, 2017 at 1:05 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do the math bub, those employees of Growth Orchard are gonna be raking in the bucks. Maybe some of our locals will get hired and get off the dole.

At May 2, 2017 at 4:14 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

There was no reason for a hearing on the sale of the land! Second, there was and still is no reason for a hearing if the "new landowner" just wants to put in a agricultural operation in an S1 District (1127.05 SCHEDULE OF DISTRICT REGULATIONS) Now,since the land is sold and the new owner wants to augment the agricultural aspect of his/her business by adding a manufacturing arm to create products, a rezoning of the land is required to make it a manufacturing zoning location. To that end, the new property owner went to the city and the city scheduled a public hearing on the issue and notified affected residents! So, the process, while seemingly hurried, seem to be followed. 1.) sell land; 2.) new owner requests new zoning for manufacturing. Just another opinion

At May 2, 2017 at 5:50 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...


Regarding your wondering whether Mike DeLeone is arrogant or ignorant, wonder no more - it's both!

At May 2, 2017 at 6:17 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great point on if Joe Blow owned the property. No way this passes if that was the case, in fact the city would probably retaliate and go after the owner for some code violation, maybe their "weeds" would be too overgrown.

At May 3, 2017 at 10:35 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

6:17 It appears there are two set of rules?
5:50 This man contradicts himself from one issue to another why? I guess he must have the final word. We can only hope he prosecutes differently than he legislates.
4:14 And how many times have we heard "make sure the property you want to buy is zoned for your purpose"? Seems somehow we put the cart in front of the horse on this one. The zoning allows growth even if it's illegal I guess. The zoning doesn't allow processing the product that's needs manufacturing. To allow 'spot' zoning the owner must prove how this benefits the neighborhood.
1:05 We started with 14 employees and have advanced to 30-40? Now Growth Orchard claims it will have a stringent vetting program with background checks. No matter what the final number of employees happens to be I predict less than 30% will be city residents and I'm being generous. The people under the 'Golden Dome' could don't care their interest is only in the 2% income tax if you live in the city or Madagascar.

At May 3, 2017 at 4:30 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

As for DeLeone contradicting himself on every issue - at least he can claim that he was correct at some point.

At May 4, 2017 at 9:07 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To be polite, you are incorrect on so many things that it is hard to know where to start.
About the one thing we agree on is that the new landowner would be allowed to grow crops on this land given its' S1 zoning.
Notice that this doesn't get into the fact that the crop will be MJ.
Makes for a question for you. Let's say General Mills wanted to buy this property to grow and process corn for corn flakes on this land. Would the City have sold it and would the land get rezoned? i would doubt it.

First, there should always be a public hearing when tax payer monies are involved in real estate transactions. The people should be allowed to be heard.
Yes, the new owner has a "right" to request rezoning but I would hope the Planning Commission doesn't rubber stamp this request in a residential area.
Do you think this very rezoning would be approved in an area like Heisley Park? If you would approve of it on N State St, why would you not approve it in Heisley Park? What would the difference be?

You say "the city scheduled a public hearing" on this? Really?? When is that? A Planning Commission meeting is not really a Public Hearing. A Public Hearing takes place at a City Council meeting at a prescribed time and with proper notification so that ALL of the residents may be allowed to speak. A Planning commission meeting is for fact finding in order to make a recommendation to Council.

"seemingly hurried"?? Try passing the resolution to sell the property in one Council meeting, with no advance knowledge of the meeting and then hope that no one attends the Planning Commission meeting and then not hold a true Public Hearing? I would say that you are looking at more than a little hurried. Why the rush at all??? The deadlines are for the applicant to deal with. The are NOT the fact or responsibility of the City.

Let's be realistic here. No one wold buy property that is not zoned for their intended use unless they are very sure the rezoning will go through without a problem. Would you?

I would hope the the Planning Commission exercises the responsibility of their position and does what is right for the citizen's of the City for now and for the next 50 years. Again I ask, if this request was for land in Heisley Park or Liberty Greens, would it pass? Answer that honestly and make the right decision for a residential area that you don't live in.

At May 4, 2017 at 12:21 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just as an FYI, the City of Norton (which can't be any better off financially than the 'ville is) banned marijuana facilities (medical or otherwise) from their City. They make reference to the same opiate problem that our very own Councilman DeLeone referenced in the last Council meeting but their take on it is very different than his.

BTW, they seem to take public input on things BEFORE they pass legislation.

Interesting concept!



At May 4, 2017 at 2:29 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

12:21 Very interesting concept! I guess they don't have a city manager who feels it's their property? Many ways to look at this situation.
9:07 Well put, most on the planning commission will look at a map and decide well I live here, and that is there without realizing Painesville is Painesville? I guess it's a game of inches? How many inches is that away from my property. Again with the public hearing.
4:30 As far as DeLeone contradicting himself, all I know is when he takes off his glasses and starts to speak I get confused from week to week. Definitely ZERO consistency.

At May 4, 2017 at 6:21 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The real problem....... the land is in the north end with residents who don't live on Route 20 with names all recognized by council people. Does anyone here remember what this council put Steele Mansion through? The hold ups, the run arounds, there were threats from neighbors about lawsuits and on it went ........ for years! God Bless Carol and Art for not turning Steele Mansion into section 8 housing; which they had every right to do as that was within the zoning. My memory is not so short as to remember those hearings.

Fast forward to today and how fast was that zoning and sale pushed through council? Wow! No it's absolutely out of line for council to do this. Mike DeLeone should realize, as an attorney, that the city set the precedent for zoning, raking people over the coals etc when they hauled Steele Mansion through the gauntlet of "proceedings".

If the same "neighbors" were living next to new MJ farm I think there would be hell to pay and this would have never made it to council!
I also wonder why this place was given a spot in the super fantastic industrial park. Wasn't that the reason the bridge to nowhere was built? Wonder how council would have reacted when Heisley Park residents had the wool pulled over their eyes?

Make this council accountable to all residents not just the ones who live on Route 20 and a "know" the 'IN' crowd on council.

At May 5, 2017 at 6:58 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

6:21 You hit the nail on the head! You address them as the "IN" crowd I always love it when they are referred as the "Movers & Shakers" of Painesville. I Will agree lots of moving.

At May 5, 2017 at 7:07 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

6:21 Do you think that Marijuana operation on State St. will have a bearing on property values in Liberty Greens and/or Heisley Park? Painesville is Painesville. To our new cousins in Heisley Park, rest assured your day is coming take it from someone who's been around here 67 years no one leaves unscratched. Painesville like the Hotel California. Once you check in you.....

At May 7, 2017 at 10:35 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

BICYCLE COPS??? What a waste. So PPD is expected to pedal Painesville? And just how should they respond? (Reminds me of a Jimmy Johns commercial) PPD is taking 2 existing cops out of cars and putting them on bikes? Do you really believe that one? No, next year PPD chief will be asking for additional money for the pedal pushers. Not to mention, how many of them look good in spandex?

At May 7, 2017 at 2:05 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Hey 12:21, marijuana has not relation to the opiates. This is the problem with the conversation. I guaranty you have a neighbor that is growing it in their backyard. Did crime show up? Did your property value fall further than it already has?

At May 7, 2017 at 4:28 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

So are they renting or buying? Do we know? The danger of letting a company buy part of that land is beyond comprehension; nobody should be purchasing that property. Also, whether renting or buying, do we know where that money will go? This city is still just as slimy as it ever was. Half-truths, sneaking stuff past the citizens, lack of transparency, and bad freakin' attitudes towards the citizens. As someone said on this blog, this is OUR land, not theirs, so doing this in such a shady, disrespectful way towards the citizens is just par for the course around here. It doesn't seem to matter who we get into power in this town, the attitude of those in charge and some of the city workers, especially in the water/electric department office, doesn't seem to change. The bad attitudes and disrespect for the citizens just seems to get passed down and passed around and we don't seem to be able to clean it up no matter how many new people we get. And now they're putting a pot plant in a residential neighborhood, because it's not THEIR houses. Do all the people who run this city and work in this city live here even? It's just always more of the same, and the way the citizens have been ignored, bypassed and disrespected as usual is disturbing.

At May 8, 2017 at 6:25 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

10:35 Bicycle Cops? Painesville's population is not dense enough for this to work? But it makes somebody feel good as well as they can ride on the sidewalks Downtown. Without running in to someone. Myself a patrolman in a vehicles would make more sense.
Walking a beat Downtown... A very lonely job!

At May 8, 2017 at 8:24 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

No relationship? Just how stupid are you?

Since you have no idea where I live, how can you possibly make a guarantee like that?

Now, to get YOU back on track, this conversation was about the sale and zoning of City owned land.
The links were made relative to the way this is/was viewed in Norton.
Try reading, and comprehending, the articles linked BEFORE you make another ill informed comment.

Wait, is this Councilman DeLeone??

At May 8, 2017 at 8:39 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To: I'd like to add the Public Works and Utility office to your list of bad attitudes and with how many officers we have per shift suppose they were at one end of town and there was a shootout or whatever on the other side of town how will they get there in a timely basis or have proper protection?

At May 9, 2017 at 4:54 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The last 2 positions filled in the Painesville Police Department have 50% of their salary coming from the Electric Fund. Maybe the bicycle cops can read electric meters while on patrol.

At May 9, 2017 at 8:38 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To 4:28, maybe if everyone who is ever in power in this city appears to you to be the same terrible people, maybe it is you and not them?

At May 9, 2017 at 10:20 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

4:54 This I guess is to increase Ambience to our city? Maybe the meter reader's should have the bicycles?
8:39 Haven't witnessed that lately.

At May 9, 2017 at 10:24 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

8:39 Pedal faster? I think these bike patrols will only be around Chocolate & Wine events 9 if they ever happen)
Disco Night maybe?

At May 10, 2017 at 11:52 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wait. Cops on bikes? In downtown Painesville? Aren't there signs all over the place forbidding riding on the sidewalks? Sure hope I don't see one cop riding where pedestrians can't.

At May 10, 2017 at 2:25 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

11:2 When are there people on sidewalks in Downtown Painesville?
Pedestrians, homeless whatever.
The police on bikes are to protect the merchant's

At May 13, 2017 at 10:45 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The point is if civilians cant ride on the sidewalks in downtown/square why should cops? No Bicycles PERIOD.


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