Wednesday, April 26, 2017

"ONE MORE NIGHT" phil collins

I've been trying ooh so long to let you know
Let you know how I feel

After watching the fiasco that has taken over city hall the last two Mondays. I will tell you the city charter as well numerous city rules were not followed.

To be honest this isn't even about marijuana anymore. It's about an administration and council jamming something down Painesville voters throats.

Now to make all this legal do any of you think the Planning Commission will do anything but pass this on May 11, 2017? There is not a  for -profit business within a half mile of this location. And take it from someone who goes to these meeting the City of Painesville is no fan of 'spot' zoning until maybe now?

This is a residential area with even a church within close proximity. How will Planning deal with these issues?

It is my thoughts, that Council as well as our new administrator  just screwed up Painesville. Not over marijuana but by simply ignoring zoning policies and procedures that exist for all city residents.

The vote Monday night was decided in Executive Session and they came out and played the game. Be honest did anyone believe the vote was going to be unanimous? Not #1  dissenting vote?

So to those people apposed to this coming to their neighborhood. Get off your rearends grab a friend and explain to the Planning Commission why you oppose this. Fill that room with people. Or watch your property values slip some more. While your at it call council people over your displeasure.

This subject has been in the News-Herald numerous times since February.

Do any of you believe that the vote outcome has been suppressed by someone in the administration?


At April 26, 2017 at 1:17 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not that it will happen (because it will not) but I wonder what Council would do if the Planning Commission voted against the rezoning of this property??
Ah, never mind, it will be stamped and sent to Council with nary a "nay" vote.
BTW folks, this will be your ONLY chance to speak on this issue (that of the zoning change) because Council will NOT hold a public hearing on it.
Like Term says, this is no longer about MJ but is about holding Council to the very same standards they expect YOU to follow.

At April 26, 2017 at 2:18 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I want to personally take this time to thank council as well as the administration for making my hometown the laughing stock of the North Coast!

At April 26, 2017 at 4:51 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I just received a notification in the mail from the city about their intentions. NOT ONE WORD ABOUT MARIJUANA!!!! They mention the company's name who wants to use the land, BUT NOT ONE WORD ABOUT MARIJUANA. For anyone who doesn't know what's going on, they would have no idea what the intentioned use is, and maybe even think it will be corn or wheat. Who would care about corn or wheat? Hey, nice job, city of Painesville...making sure to pull the wool over the eyes of as many citizens as possible, as usual. Nice job, Shoop.

At April 26, 2017 at 9:42 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...


I wholeheartedly agree with your suggestion that people attend the Planning Commission meeting, or call their council representative, if they oppose this deal. Regarding the latter, though, I have thought for years that said representatives have become arrogant, doing what they (and City Hall) want, regardless of their constituents' views. The only way this will change is to kick them out of office whenever they are up for re-election. Speaking of which, have you heard if anyone is running against the three at-large council members later this year?

At April 27, 2017 at 4:42 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

4:51 Nothing in the media? They must be so proud? Lets slide it in!
I have asked for the letter they sent to area residents. If no mention of the sale and use of the property, that's criminal but by far not surprising from this bunch.

At April 27, 2017 at 8:17 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I live a stones throw from this property and have not received a letter, what did they only send it to the ones within sight distance of it?

At April 27, 2017 at 11:07 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

8:17 Hope your not surprised?

At April 28, 2017 at 6:17 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:17, this is 4:51. My letter says copies of the letter were sent to anyone within 400 FEET of the property. 400 FEET!! Not even 400 YARDS!!! So I guess if you can't reach over your fence line and actually touch it, you didn't get a letter. Unbelievable.

At April 28, 2017 at 9:19 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

6:17 No BELIEVABLE look who your dealing with? They make all the rules.

Still no press release?

At April 28, 2017 at 11:08 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To be absolutely fair, that is the standard distance for getting a letter of notification.
Not trying to justify it at all, just saying that is normal.

My thought would be to get as many neighbors as you can to go to the Planning meeting on 5/11 and let the five members of the Planning Commission know what your thoughts are.
Remember to keep it civil and to have your thoughts laid out in advance in a logical manner.

At April 28, 2017 at 6:16 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

With the people on this site, the City is in a never win position. You whine about the condition of streets and neighborhoods. But then, you cry when money is spent to improve things. You cry about the "incompetence" of economic development not bringing in business... No grocery stores, no retail, what! But the plain truth is that this City, with It's low income residents and tenants cannot sustain a profitable retail establishment. And those same low income residents do not provide enough tax revenue to enable the City to provide adequate services. The industry that was once here, has found it more profitable to leave the country, so goodbye to that tax base. If you bother to look at the auditors site, your property values are already in the toilet. Not much tax revenue there, either.
Now, a business wants to come here. They want to produce a questionable product, but it will be done securely and out of site. But wait, don't plants need sunlight to grow? Why, yes, yes they do. So this business will have to use artificial sunlight. That takes A LOT of electricity.
But plants can't grow without water. No, no they can't. So a hydroponic facility will need A LOT of water. So, new revenue streams. Plus 30 new well paid income tax sources.
Plus, the questionable product is being legalized at the state level, and at the federal level it is now being treated like the don't ask don't tell policy of the military, so there's no problems there. The product generates HUGE tax revenues. Additionally, residents property values will not suffer from this. They can't get any worse. And complaining about the smell of a waste water plant is like the west side complaining about the noise of the airport. Poop smells. No one can control which direction the wind will blow. You bought property by a poop plant. And really, having worked in several poop plants over the years, Painesville's is rather mild.
So, to summarize, you want what the City can't afford, and you don't want a means to help you get what you want. For the City, I think you call that damned if you do and damned if you don't.

At April 29, 2017 at 2:35 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

6:16 How many times have I sat at a council meeting and heard about the 'process'? WE passed a levy to repair the roads didn't we ? Did we want to spend 1.3 million in city and grant money for Main St. Streetscape? Do you believe a company like Avery-Dennison would spend $400,000 to repave a parking lot? Let's talk about INCOMPETENCE?
Now a company comes here and will buy our electricity? To bad if they install solar panels uh? Well the city will fight their efficiency. Did anyone even ask? Water Hell everyone has water. Legalized at the State level and with this present administration in Washington D.C. nothing is a given.
See it's not the product or the company it's the city process 94% of people believe in medical marijuana, including me. So if you are a resident living near the sewer plant it's your responsibility to add this business to your 'Sh^88y neighborhood? As far as employee's such as yourself you seem to make a pretty good living in this poor town?
No what people want is an open and transparent city administration that doesn't go behind our backs and changes proced8ures.
One thing about Painesville we are easily divided and conquered. If the problem isn't in YOUR neighborhood well it's not my problem than. I will agree with you on damned with this screwed up administration and weak council!
Destroying a city one Resolution after another.

At April 29, 2017 at 2:39 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

In the meantime go Downtown and choke on a piece of chocolate and some cheap wine. It will make everything better!

At April 29, 2017 at 4:53 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

First, I notice that anytime someone disagrees with you, you decide they must be a City employee. Proving your ignorance and what they say about assuming. I am not a City employee. I am one of the few actual homeowners left that makes a decent income. I moved here because the low property values made it attractive to me. My wife and I can't have kids, so the current school system problems don't really effect me. I live closer than you do to the purpose grow site. Having researched it, I know that it will not present a problem to the neighborhood. With the current property value, I viewed my home purchase as a true investment. It's paid for, and I can focus on building my retirement up, so that my wife and I can pursue or retirement goals when that day comes.
The City has not snuck this in. I think you're upset because they didn't ask you directly for permission to go forward on this, like Flock would have done. You're upset because you don't have a council person in your back pocket.
And second, I don't see this as a problem that I need to make better. And wishing I'll will on someone because they disagree with you? Childish and immature. But, looking at your record here on this blog and else where, not surprising.

At April 29, 2017 at 5:56 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:16 how dare you! after reading your post my blood is boiling! For those of us who have lived here most of our lives and have watched council decimate and gut this city do what they saw was best for this city has been like watching the Keystone cops run the White House. If this company is forward thinking enough to gamble on growing pot with all the bells and whistles, pay for a $20,000 nonrefundable application fee and $180,000 license fee for a level I license what is to stop them from putting solar panels on the roof and pumping water from the Grand River with their own pumping station, you probably don't live here. Our council and administration really can't think that far ahead. Although as homeowners we can't sell power back to our own power company due to an AMP contract. We had the AMP Ohio contract shoved down our throats by an ignorant city manager and fearful council. Those who questioned that contract were laughed at and now once again we question this on the grounds of the city charter, home owners rights and how this entire bullcrap contract is going down and once again council is telling residents to sit down, shut up and smile because they just know this will make the city of butt load of cash. This is so far from about a company growing pot and more about the integrity of council and city hall. How do you think our home values and community got to this point to begin with........ and if you think we have a stellar economic development dept. think again! Our economic development dept. is in the dark ages and this is the best they can do? How the head of our economic development dept. has lasted through 3 administration changes is mystery to me. This city has procedures and rules for how business is done and this council has gone rogue ........... again. I will never vote for one these council people again!. 

At April 29, 2017 at 9:31 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:16 - It doesn't sound like you live here, and it does not sound like you own a home here, let alone a home in the near vicinity of this proposed site. So thanks for your opinion, but I don't care to hear it. But thank you so much for reminding us that this city has conducted itself in such a manner for a couple of decades now, that they have our property values in the toilet. Also, don't be telling someone else that their property value is so bad that it can't get any worse. Yes it can, and if it's not your property then keep your nose-in-the-air attitude to yourself please. Sounds like you're one of the owners of the proposed business. Whoever you are, thanks for looking down your nose at us. It's the same thing the city continues to do for decades now, and it is not appreciated. If they're talking about YOUR property value, then you have a say; if not, you don't. Now please be quiet and go away.

At April 30, 2017 at 5:07 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

All the whining about council and I bet this city just re-elects the same people again. They have had different choices over the 30 years I have lived here, some very good in my opinion, and they weren't part of the school or county public employee group so they didn't get elected.

At April 30, 2017 at 6:23 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Stated like I would expect of a City employee. If you aren't, you should be.
Yep, just ignoring all the processes in place for planning and zoning will make it okay. Just don't try doing it yourself. Only Council has the right to ignore the rules.
Forget what the end product is, that is only a small part of the issue. In the correct area, and not using land that the tax payers own, this might be okay. Passed the way this Council did it, not so much.

At April 30, 2017 at 7:35 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

6:23 Again they do not as they are suppose to but how they want to.
5:07 Point taken I remember when residents defeated the 3.9 Charter change 85% against and 15% for, Thought we had them on their heels that May come November we re-elect the same bunch, go figure?
9:31/5:56 What 6:16 doesn't realize if they live in Painesville is if any area in the city springs a leak all neighborhoods suffer not just the one in question Painesville is Painesville.
4:53 Ask a reputable real estate agent what they think of your investment? Just because you don't have kids in the school system are you ignorant what that does to your so called investment?
I'm ignorant because I assume this is a city worker? When they leave the comment; "I have worked in several poop plants?" I can assume sorry. Never had anybody in my pocket or does your ignorance assume that? Look all you have to do is attend council meetings and watch how things can change from week to week. How was the chocolate? did you get to whine too?

At April 30, 2017 at 2:18 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Wine and chocolate walk it this Friday 5-5-17. No one should have choked on their chocolate yet and hopefully won't come Friday night. I plan to attend because it sure beats a Cinco de Mayo celebration that day. And why is that? Why is Cinco de Mayo celebrated in the good ole' USA yet the country of Mexico doesn't give that day a second thought? Go Trump!

At April 30, 2017 at 4:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of property values...this may be a good time to go back and thank Joe Hada and Abby Delamotte, along with the rest of people on council at the time...along with former City Manager, Rita McMahon, for advocating for, and asking for, illegals to come to our city. Now that we are filled up with illegals, and our schools are in the toilet along with our property values, maybe we should take a moment to revisit their contribution to our downfall. We could also go back and thank Hada and McMahon for all their double-talking and misrepresentations of the electric deal they got us into. I remember how hard we fought to stop that, because the citizens knew they were screwing us and our city for decades to come. But Hada and McMahon pushed it through, with council in step. Remember how Hada looked out into the crowd at the opposition and smugly said he "proudly" voted for the deal? Now we have management and a council that still do not care about the values of our homes or our city. They did what they could to screw us over here on the north end some more, and are staunchly standing by their decision. And about those odors from the treatment plant...has anyone on council or the new management even considered addressing that issue to see if any improvements could be made in this day and age? By the way, where is all that money going to go? To the homeowners whose property values you have finished ruining? No? Then where? Do we still have the 50% grading going on in the schools?

At April 30, 2017 at 9:26 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you so dumb and blind with rage that you don't realize that many construction workers often work in poop plants, coal fired electric plants, nuke plants, and even fresh water plants. When a person says they've worked in many such plants, the logical conclusion for an intelligent person would be that they must be in the union trades. But for someone who has lost any pull with council after their pocket puppet quit is they have to be a City employee, because no one else would dare to oppose you. I've been a Painesville resident for 50 years and am the fourth generation of my family to call it home.
Council didn't destroy Painesville, the inability of man in general to govern on any level did. Failure to enforce immigration law, hiring of illegals, failure to enforce building occupancy codes. Failure in general, from Feds, the State, the county and locally all contributed to this mess. The biggest offender? The county, buying up all the premium commercial properties and making them tax exempt, consolidating their services to Painesville, and bringing all the homeless and illegals here. They destroyed the tax base, and made it near impossible to attract what you might consider attractive business. No, I don't think the economic development department has been all that impressive, but look at what the county left them to work with. And yes, council is doing the best they can with what they have. If you can do so much better, run for office, unless your afraid of learning what most of us already know. You wouldn't be able to get the votes.

At May 1, 2017 at 9:27 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

9:26 I have no rage? Get it off your chest! As far as a person being or not being a city employee we will never know?
No I agree I wouldn't be able to get the votes, that said I wouldn't have to kiss the A## of some 50 year-old fourth- generation Painesville citizen right?

At May 1, 2017 at 10:48 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Did it ever occur to you that the way you worded your post might lead to a different conclusion? Probably not because you are so blinded in trying to tell Term where he is wrong that you can't see your error.
Lots of problems in this City but MJ wound make any of them go away.

At May 2, 2017 at 1:21 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I see a lot of truth in 9:26 second paragraph post. There are a lot of fingers pointed in many different directions but we need strong solutions. How? How do we, the resident voters, oppose something and our thoughts go unnoticed? This is typical politics and until something big shakes them all up, its just going to get worse. Todays editorial in the paper seems to be urging Dave Joyce to go against his values and his word. Mr Rice, you aren't from Painesville are you? Madison, correct? Perhaps involved in the large nursery population there. Well, if you are so pleased with the illegals, please take them all to your town so we can get back to the town we once had. We weren't afraid to leave our homes, we didn't have to speak Spanish in our businesses to make a transaction. You get my point. Your opinion matters not since you are not a resident here to feel our pain.

At May 3, 2017 at 10:52 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

1:21 I understand your frustration, I have sat in meetings with Mr. Rice and assure you he's genuine. That said even agreeing with everything Mr. Rice wrote in the editorial the simple fact is a person or group can do 10 good things and someone in that group does a hideous crime like rape and kill a woman, shoot another woman on a bike trail in front of her children as well as attempt to rape a minor family member. Any good will goes out the door over this convicted illegal alien Ramos. Now no one will ever convince me that this man was a model citizen until that morning there must of been signs or incident's and it was the obligation of people living in our Hispanic community to inform authorities about this man, they didn't. Shame on them now they must live with that fact.
As far a Congressman Joyce he also knows where his bread is buttered. Nursery owners contribute to his campaign and also need workers for their fields. They need the workers but also must bear some responsibility on those they hire.( don't make your problem mine)I don't have a solution neither do you, Mr. Rice or even our Congressman.


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