Tuesday, April 18, 2017

"ALONG COMES MARY" association

And when the masquerade is played
And the neighbor folks make jokes

Pretty interesting council meeting last night.

Eleven items on the agenda and excuse me for getting lost on a couple seems everyone was?

Still tabled the ordinance with concerns to tethering pets?

We got rid of Resolution to sell real  estate owned by the city in Renaissance Parkway ..... But more to follow.

That New Parking Lot is slated to go out for bid. Estimate of $400,000 ? Go figure.

Resolution for bids on Walnut St. improvement between Levan Ave. and Gillett St.

Resolution for bidding and award for 2017 Road Improvement Program.

Resolution authorizing the City Manager  to apply for CDBG funding for various ADA improvements.

Resolution authorizing the City Manager to apply and accept , here we go AGAIN for Downtown Streetscape Improvements along North Park Place  from County CBGP . I guess this is when the County demolishes the Dorothy Allen Building? (Have those plans even been submitted)

Resolution to ask NOACA for a grant to repair our city traffic signals.

RESOLUTION - a resolution declaring certain real estate owned by the City as no longer needed for municipal purposes and authorizing the city manager to sell or lease real estate to GrowthOrchard Partners, LLC.

So our City's Economic Development team believe the property owned on the 1100 block of N. State St. should be sold to a firm that wants to grow medical marijuana ? This facility will sit along side our Sewer Treatment Plant. In a residential area. Pay attention northend resident's your about to be dumped on again! Wonder what this will do to property values? Are you listening Lighthouse Point homeowners? I mentioned at the meeting I have heard some crazy ideas but this one takes the cake!

Does Economic Development need those dozen jobs this bad? Selling the property for $135,000 is the city looking for cash?

The owner claims he is running a legitimate business and would be the same as if he was making "widgets" Well if you were making those your business would be allowed to use normal banking services!

Look I'm not buying this "Medical" Marijuana B.S. We will be one small step from "Recreational" Look you want to cultivate this product  fine but why in Painesville. Many have seen the destruction this product has caused. 


At April 18, 2017 at 12:39 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Ask any professional dealing with addiction. Weed is a gate way drug.
PERIOD. I thought the people of OHIO had spoken. Oh well. Here is comes sheeple.

At April 18, 2017 at 4:13 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Another thought.
Would the City be selling this property, which is NOT zoned for business, to any other sort of business? Say a machine shop or a car dealer? I think we know the answer.
Folks, make yourself heard by contacting your Councilman or the At Large Council people. Their email addresses are on the City web site.
IMO, this is the only way you can stop the Administration from pushing this right by Council.

At April 19, 2017 at 8:59 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The article in the paper today des not reflect anything you wrote in your latest post. Telling lies?

At April 19, 2017 at 5:40 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Drive down North State on a summer night, and you can smell that a lack of a marijuana grower isn't stopping people from smoking it. Get over it. It will be fully legal in a few years. Why not be the first to get in on something rather than the last to realize opportunities passed you by?

At April 19, 2017 at 5:46 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It's not administration pushing this, it's council. They favor it, only problem is "not in my neighborhood" seems to be the mentality.

At April 19, 2017 at 5:56 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I do not understand exactly where this property is. Can you give further details?

If they are intending to grow pot there, then it will need to be guarded, etc. It's not like growing corn.

I'm not understanding why they would give them access to land that is not zoned for that. Are we missing something here? Is the city trying to pull the wool over our eyes, as usual?

At April 19, 2017 at 6:24 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have no idea what you feel Term "lied" about. After all, reporters only report what they are given.
I can assure you that everything Term wrote is accurate.
It isn't what you might have read in the paper because it wasn't written by the City administration.
Remember that he was at the Council meeting. Were you?

At April 20, 2017 at 8:52 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

6:24 Story in today's News-Herald explains my post.
5:56 On N.State St. adjacent 9on the same property) to the waste water treatment plant Near where N.State, N. St. Clair and Skinner Ave. meet. They will use a common driveway. One big happy family.
You will have to ask the city about your questions.
5:46 According to what I heard at the council meeting, council was unaware of this plan until Thursday before the council meeting? Yet if there was opposition to this from council it should have never been on the agenda. I would be surprised if DiNallo, Fodor, DeLeone and Shoop were in favor of this. For many reasons.
5:40 First your assuming laws will change? I wouldn't count o it looking at the makeup of the people running Washington these days. Second thanks for insulting everyone who lives on or near N.State St. their all pot-heads. and this neighborhood is perfect for this. Maybe we can put this facility near Liberty Greens or Charlotte St. uh?
Opportunities for who? Growth Orchard? 12 new jobs for the city. If this was such a great opportunity the Willoughby resident proposing this should propose it to Willoughby Mayor Dave Anderson? He probably told him to take a hike. Seriously how much "Medical Marijuana" do we need? Do our votes count for anything anymore? What if down the line Federal funds are withheld from communities with marijuana facilities? Can't happen? Ask a sanctuary city.

At April 20, 2017 at 9:14 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I am not sure where you get your info from but the new CM and the Economic Development Director seem to be behind this and pushing it the hardest. After all, it will look like they made the City look attractive to business.
Contrary to what you think, most of the Council members seemed to be caught off guard by this.

At April 20, 2017 at 9:20 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You might be correct and it might be legal everywhere in a few years.
The problem is, that is not now.

A big issue here isn't so much the business as it is selling City property (which we all own) to use it for a purpose where the zoning will have to be changed to allow it.
It is commonly called "spot zoning". This is a residential area with NO businesses anywhere near.
Is this really what we want or need in the 'ville?

At April 20, 2017 at 12:16 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

WOW! Now thinking about it there's a lot of empty property behind Harvey High. Build it there offer a Horticulture degree in growing pot. Share the same parking lot and show the world how progressive we are here in Painesville. Plus the school board could use the extra revenue. Putting your recreational department so close to your sewer plant makes no sense! What next a medical brothel?

At April 20, 2017 at 3:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What we really need here next will be a grocery store. Buy weed, get high then need to eat. So lets capitalize on the munchies next.

At April 20, 2017 at 4:11 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If I remember correctly, the city manager works for council. Council is her boss. Therefore, the CM does what they tell her. They make the policies, etc.

At April 20, 2017 at 6:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm in partial agreement with 5:40. I personally think it's stupid to smoke pot; I don't want to waste one moment of the life given me high or drunk. I don't see the point, and I think it's a waste of my minutes. I grew up in the 60's, however, and I don't know what the statistics are, but I think probably the majority of people in my generation and every generation after ours, smoke it now or previously smoked it. I know several people who were/are addicted to it, so saying it's not addictive is a lie, as it can be for some people, just like alcohol. Maybe once it's legalized, people can actually be educated about that, so they can be aware and be careful. But busting people for it at this point is wrong, in my opinion, and I think it should be legalized all the way around. Legalizing it for adults is not going to enhance younger people's use of it, as it is already rampant, as everyone knows. I do believe studies have been done in the states that have legalized recreational pot, and the use in underage citizens has actually gone down. Legalize the damn stuff already. And in this town, they have loopholes in the laws that allow them to terribly bust people carrying papers or pipes for it, which is just a scam and abuse of the citizens to get them into the system, and take a lot of dollars from them. I think that's more criminal than someone who is of age smoking pot.

I am glad the state is going to legalize medical marijuana for those that think they need it. I do know people that it has helped when nothing else could. For example, I have a friend who just got great help getting through chemo with it. But this state is being stupid about it. I'm glad they are taking the reins to avoid the monopoly that wanted to come in here and screw the people of the state. Thank goodness the citizens saw through that. But they're being stupid about it. They aren't going to let people smoke it, for example; it will have to be in another form. Give me a break. Don't be so stupid while you are trying to do a wise thing.

But growing it in this city without very carefully weighing all the pros and cons for an appropriate amount of time is insanity, especially in a residential neighborhood. Maybe they think it is more isolated in that location and more easily guarded; I don't know. And why would they sell the land, instead of leasing it? There are a lot of serious questions and issues here, and this should not be done quickly, by any means, and the people should be fully informed and given a chance to speak on it. I live in the north end, and God knows the city is completely screwing us with the odors from the plant. Maybe the can use some of the pot money to try to do something about that. (I'm saying that in jest, of course, because the city won't, and they never did, nor do they now, care about what the odors from that plant do to our neighborhoods and the enjoyment of our properties.)

Make the stuff legal all the way around, and let any adult smoke it that wants to smoke it. It's ridiculous at this point not to do it. It's making criminals out of otherwise law-abiding citizens. Let people get safe pot from safe places, and add to our coffers. Let the police worry about the rest of the stuff that is going on in this country that is just almost too much to think about at this point.

At April 21, 2017 at 8:56 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

6:00 I thought this was about medical marijuana?
4:11 Point well taken
3:58 Mobile 24 hour food trucks?

At April 21, 2017 at 2:51 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:56, this is 6:00. Oh, there's rules, and I can't talk about recreational along with medical? Even Judge Ciconetti (spelling?) said some time back that he hoped if they legalized it for medical that they didn't screw around and would just legalize it all the way around.

At April 22, 2017 at 8:18 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

2:51 With all due respect to our Judge he will be the first to tell you laws don't change over hope or wishing. Change the law. Key word 'They'.

At April 22, 2017 at 8:20 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You seem to be missing the point about the vote 1 1/2 years ago where the voters of Ohio said, by a 2-1 margin on both issues, that they did not approve of the legalization of either medical or recreational MJ.
It is not about whether you or the judge feel it should be legalized.
The voters spoke loud and clear and yet Columbus (our elected representatives) decided that we are too stupid to understand so they bypassed us.

At April 22, 2017 at 3:05 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:20...about that vote. I believe that vote was misleading, because that was an outside company trying to come in and change our constitution and monopolize and dictate what we could and couldn't do with MJ. I think it was wise of our state to realize that that would keep happening unless they took control of the issue themselves. MY problem with it, is that they are putting all kinds of stupid stuff in there, like the patients can't actually smoke it, etc. I think if they're going to do it which, again, I think is a wise, preemptive move, they need to use their heads and do it right, and knock off the stupid stuff.

At April 24, 2017 at 11:47 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

8:20 here.
I understand that you think the vote was misleading because (I am guessing) your side didn't win the vote.
That is easy to understand. It is called "spin". You say it loud enough so your view sounds like it has traction.
The simple fact is that the margin, on BOTH issues, was 2-1 against.
If I am to believe your view, there must have have been a lot of very stupid people (myself included) who are just too darned dumb to understand what we were voting on.
I don't think this is the case.
It should not matter that it was "wise of our State" to do anything. The will of the people, in a valid election, is being ignored.

I really like your "spin" on the second point. God forbid the patients can't actually smoke it.
Wait, isn't this for "medical" reasons? If so, why should it matter if it is injected or taken in a pill or whatever as opposed to smoking it. I am not aware of any other prescription medication that would be smoked. Are you?

Like it or not, the ONLY reason this is even before us now is that politicians and beuracrats see a huge cash cow and they all want to be first in the pool. They are not doing it to help you, me, or anyone else but themselves.

At April 24, 2017 at 7:48 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

11:47, this is 3:05. Just for your nasty self's information: I voted against it. So you can stop with your accusations and put-downs. And just for your general knowledge...I don't smoke it, and I think it's dumb to smoke it unless it's helping you with some medical problem. But I do think it should be legalized, because it's making criminals out of otherwise decent, law-abiding citizens, and because so many Americans smoke it, and it ain't going away. I believe with every upcoming generation that more and more people smoke it. Alcohol is legal, so pot may as well be, in my opinion. And my damn point was that the people were SMART enough not to vote for a constitutional change being asked for by a monopoly. As far as smoking goes, as a form of using it, it is absolutely stupid for the state to not let people do it as easily and economically as they can, and in the form they want to. People smoke cigarettes, so why not the pot. So did you get that...I voted against it. I was afraid, however, that people weren't going to pay attention to the details, and vote for it regardless of the bad deal being put forth, but I was very pleased that they did. I think there were a lot of people like me that would have voted yes, if it had not been under those unwise circumstances.

As a little aside: My mother was in office in a small town in a different state. The Feds wanted to build a prison there. Nobody wanted it including my mother. But the fact was, after she had done all her research, she realized the Feds were putting it there no matter what. She changed her attitude, and then tried to work with them to get all local people hired in the building of it all, and as employees. She lost the next election, because people couldn't see the wisdom of her efforts.

Bottom line: it's coming medically, at least, so I think it's wise of the state to do it so that a company like the last one doesn't come into this state and be the winners instead of the state and the citizens being the winners financially. I think our state has seen the writing on the wall; they realized we dodged a huge bullet with it recently, and they want to make sure that if it's coming, we are the ones who have control. I think that was a very wise move. Unlike the people in power in Painesville who don't give a crap about my property value. I don't care if they build it; it just shouldn't be where it's going to ruin people's lives.

To Term I say: I never DID have any respect for Fodor or DeLeone, so their attitude does not surprise me. Not one of them has done anything for this North End, and they don't care if they screw us more. They've made that very clear. And where does OUR North End councilwoman live? Is it going to be in HER backyard, or is she a distance away?

At April 25, 2017 at 9:00 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

7:48 Wonder what Mrs. Shoop will say the next time she runs? She resides on Skinner Ave. not that far away. See if Andrew Flock was still on council he would have never voted to allow this at that location. He probably would have suggested it be put in Hachs backyard?
That said Mrs. Shoop looks very weak.

At April 25, 2017 at 12:49 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nasty? Accusations and put downs? Really? Where were there any accusations?

As I read your writings, you seem to speak from both sides of your mouth.

You say "I don't smoke it, and I think it's dumb to smoke it" and "I do think it should be legalized" but you also say "I voted against it".

Please explain how you voted against permitting something that you don't use, think is "dumb" to use and and yet you think should be legalized?? Your logic is more than a little flawed. Why would you vote against something that you say should be legalized? That was the purpose of the vote!

BTW, you still have not explained why you think our representatives in Columbus think it is permissible to ignore a vote of the people.

At April 25, 2017 at 6:15 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mrs. Shoop has not done one thing for her ward, as far as I can see. Have you done one thing for the horrific odors here, Mrs. Shoop? Is this pot facility going to be directly in your back yard like it's going to be for several of the people in your district? Is it going to wipe out the value of YOUR home? It's her job to care about the value of every home in her ward. Has anyone seen Mrs. Shoop do one thing for us over here? I guess now that she's letting some of us be wiped out, it's a little late to ask, but has anyone?

At April 26, 2017 at 12:31 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

6:15 I guess you have to ask her if she represents the ward or the city? She would have been justified to vote NO. Did she even look how her Ward voted?
Seems she was out making friends?

At April 26, 2017 at 3:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

12:49, this is 7:48. I have answered every question and explained my position very thoroughly on every question you are asking. Go back and read my post again. I'm not having an argument with someone who just wants to argue for the sake of arguing. Really, read my post again; it's all there. Like Ragu.

At May 2, 2017 at 9:04 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you think you ramblings make your thoughts clear, you are dumber than I imagined.
I read it several times and your pontifications are in opposition to one another.
You voted against something that you are in favor of.
Yep, that makes sense.

Argue?? You have no idea.

Ramble on!


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