"COUNCIL MEETING 09/06/16
To many of you who don't receive the outstanding News-Herald Newspaper. On the front page
MAJOR ROUTE 2 ACCESS TO BE CLOSED
That means the northbound lane of RT.44 to go west on Rt.2 to Cleveland , Willoughby will be closed for approximately 45 days. Meaning it will be impossible to get on at RT.84 or Jackson St. to go west on RT.2 Painesville residents will have to use Richmond St. or Heisley Rd. I have no clue what our cousins in Chardon or Concord will do? Maybe RT. 90. I wonder if the state thought this out? This could be a real mess!
MEETINGS ON TUESDAY AT 7:30 DUE TO THE HOLIDAY
Ordinances Repealing & Enacting Section 1146.08 We even get a public hearing Tuesday? I'm not to concerned about this only some of these things at times comes back to bite you.
Enhancing the aesthetic qualities of the business districts, landscaping ECT, Well how Aesthetic can you be when everything is being demolished?
New DPO (Demolish Painesville Organization)
A Resolution to fund street repair on Walnut St. from Gillett to Levan Dr.? This one had councilman DeLeone underwear in a knot at the last meeting. Help me here what exactly is so bad with that stretch of Walnut St.?
MY FAVOREITE;
Resolution Authorizing the City Manager to Accept a Donation of Property Located along Skinner Ave.
Skinner Ave.? Hardly
This 6.51 acres parcel is located adjacent to the 16.85 acres parcel the city owns along the Grand River (Horvath's Lagoons).
To some of you who may have forgotten the city under direction of then CM Rita McMahon advised council to purchase this property owned by a developer for $250,000. Since that day all it has done is stay submerged and inhabited by only cattails! The reason was never explained why this purchase was made but then Council-President Horvath one told me "we had to" so he got naming rights. Waste of money? You decide. Now the land bank wants to donate an adjacent 6.51 acres to the city. Bringing up the question what is this 22 acres worth and to who?
Some of you might wonder why your street wasn't paved 10 years ago well here's where $250,000.00 of general fund money (no grant money) got sucked into the Grand River! More Park area Painesville will be responsible for.
Mr. Rodgers also has a parcel of land in Liberty Greens he want the land bank to dispose of? Well at least he's not gifting HOLA with either property. Another Park?
Finally Having the City Manager to enter into a contract for Switch Gear for the Electric Department. This "switchgear" comes with a price of One Million Four-Hundred Thousand Dollars chump change
EXECUTIVE MEETING after council meeting along with one planned for 09/13 and 09/14 lot of meetins' Are they 'Toying' with us?
In todays News-Herald was a front page story on solar energy. I remember when Tom Rapini made a presentation to Painesville City Council where he discussed 'net metering' where you sell your access power back to the grid. (Painesville) Companies like First Energy are required by law to offer net metering. BUT Municipal power companies like Painesville utilities are exempt.
Painesville is still weighing its options.
He said Painesville risks losing homeowners and business owners who are interested in gong solar if they do not offer this service.
Well Tom, The city of Painesville has invested in COAL and as long as Painesville has their head so far up AMP-OHIO's A## that they can chew AMP's food nothing is going to change!
posted by terminator1 @ 8:45 AM
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30 Comments:
"could" be a mess?? Count on it.
If there is anyone more inept than the leaders in the 'ville, it is ODOT.
These are the same people who, two winters ago, thought that it was okay to leave barriers in place over Paine creek during winter. After all, no one lives out that way and what could possibly go wrong?
You would think that they might have constructed and extra lane or something to facilitate traffic but I guess that would require that someone use their brain and think instead of just collecting a check.
9:06 Agreed the fun starts September 19th. It appears the state representative after the closing of Rt.20 shows very little regard to the citizens he represents. And yes he is a Democrat. Residents should call;
John Rogers office @ (614) 466-7251
As well as;
Kenny Yuko @ (666-4583
"Outstanding" News Herald? "Worthless" would be a better description.
Yet another perfect example of ineptness. Let's look at recent road projects. There was the re paving of 84 from mentor line to bank street on the first week of school with no police to direct traffic. There was the over a week long railroad crossing project near giant eagle. There is the never ending Heisley road project., and don't get me started on 44 and crile! What a disaster. This latest project will put lots of extra cars on painesville city streets. Pack your patience people.
9:59 Part of my new kindness directive
10:54 You are so right.
I've been told this affects more than 32,000 vehicles a day?
Painesville Municipal Electric not required to offer 'net metering' so they don't! Oberlin Municipal Electric not required to offer 'net metering' but they do. What's wrong with this picture?
Paines creek,county Job
Heisley, mentor job
20 at GE, RR job
44atCrile. County&Two job
84 was an odot mess
5:33 Nothing really? Oberlin had "professionals" that viewed AMP-OHIO Meigs County as well as PSEC as a poor investments and told AMP to take a hike! This plus the fact that Oberlin is into renewables it makes perfect sense that they would approve of 'net metering'. (It's really not that complicated) Unlike former Painesville leadership that promoted this AMP garbage and proudly approved it!
4:07 ODOT has charge of RT.20 at the tracks.They could have made the railroad responsible for traffic control from Fern Dr. to Palmer Dr. in the township, somebody didn't. Also the state could have insisted the project be worked on 24 hrs. a day. They didn't. Same with ODOT responsibility overseeing the repaving of RT. 84. They didn't.
Now ODOT decides to reroute over 32,000 vehicles onto the Richmond St. Interchange don't expect any help there either. Unless the city demands help! Enjoy your commute.
Since our plant rarely runs it would be nice to hear if we are banking our emissions reduction credits and what they are worth if we sold them.
12:40 What ever happened to the credits that went for the windmills?
Uh...why did you put switchgear in quotes? Are you suggesting they really aren't going to get switchgear?
10:22 I thought you drove a milk truck for your career. Now your an electrical engineer? Please... Explain this uncomplicated net metering.
8:26 So are you saying truck driver's can't think? You would be amazed at the things we have seen looking down into your cars? No the simple answer to this is First Energy has over 100 customers that do this use the same formula they use? Electricity doesn't know if it's First Energy or Painesville Power? Maybe it does, I'm just drove a truck.
6:56 I have know idea what a 'switchgear is only that the new one will need a building built? Now we were told the 'new' Battery Building was in the wrong spot? It must be to close to the main building?
Electrical engineer, truck driver, council person, community director, recreation director, city manager, finance director, fireman, cemetery supervisor, policeman, train conductor, ODOT road supervisor, civil engineer...Oh my, so many hats this guy wears, Jack of all trades yet a Master of none. Still won't run for council just likes to vent.
Hey NotMe,
If you actually read what was written, it should be very clear that the problem was on I-90 over Paine Creek which WAS an ODOT job. That is the only place along Paine Creek where barriers caused a monster accident.
Electrical engineer? But definitely not or ever a Spelling Bee champ. There, their and they're. To and too. You need to be schooled dude.
12:28 And as yet not cost the resident's of Painesville a dime. Here's a new one don't even think about reprimanded employees about placing stationary sign on work area on Richmond St. A moving crew should be followed by a truck with lights and arrows. Isn't that policy? Also the site where the asphalt was dumped seems to have grown over the past couple of weeks? You need photo's?
4:20 Dude did you understand my point even with the poor spelling? Why don't you school me?
First of all, I didn't say truck drivers can't think. I merely pointed out the obvious gap in education required for these two positions. I wouldn't want an electrical engineer having a truck up to my loading dock. Now that being said, stating that "First Energy has over 100 customers that do this" does not answer my question, which was explain net metering. You said, "It's really not that complicated." So again, I ask what is involved in net metering? What equipment is necessary? How much would it cost to set up?
So, rather than make an of the cuff comment, I payed a visit to the electric Plant and asked them what this switchgear expense was for? I was shown some equipment that they said was circuit breakers for the lines that go to customers. I was told that it had been installed on the 1920s and 1930s. The company that made it is out of business and there are no spare parts. The new building will put the new equipment a little closer to the circuits being served and will make it easier to tie in. The battery building would be farther away and would cost more to run the circuits out of. They are looking to make their system safer and more reliable. I think it's a great idea.
9:20 What were those employee's doing at the plant? Great idea well you are going to help pay for it. How close do they have to be to the circuits?
9:01 Net Metering Say you have solar panels on your roof during the day you collect more power than you use selling excess back to the grid. using your meter. Say at night you buy it back it is more complicated then this but Painesville Power doesn't want any resident generating power to their grid? Painesville Power is so antiquated in equipment power source and thinking it's unbelievable. Painesville always brags about being in the forefront not so much anymore. But all this is because they have a captured customer's. Soon your electric bill will rise even more. I even question if our electric department head works for Painesville or AMP-OHIO?
9:20 Rest assured a public company with stockholders would make that battery box building work!
Just another opportunity for Hach to build another building.
11:42 At the council meeting, even though ten failed to mention it, it was stayed that there are several companies interested in installing battery technology in the battery building. Currently, it is also being used as the cities primary record storage, saving them the $3000 a month they formerly paid to Victoria Place for storage.
Check the AMP contract we signed for 50 years...... it states pretty clearly that residents will not be allowed to sell excess power back to the grid. And the contract is pretty iron clad. Wonder what the other 40 communities are doing about net metering. Honestly, a monkey could put solar panels on a tree, it's that easy! Ask Tom Rapini! Now there is a presentation I would attend at a council meeting!
2:09 Hope your right. Is the city aware of microfilm or Cyber Space storage?
2:15 I can only wonder if there is one person in this town who believes STILL that AMP-OHIO looks out for the general welfare of Painesville. I have no idea what one has to do with the other only you will always be at their Mercy.
What we're they doing at the plant? I guess working. Someone from the office showed me the switched. He said they were generating.
11:42 & 9:46 - I guess poles and wire cost money. The closer you can be to the circuits you're tying into, I think the better. Besides, as I understand it, there are some companies interested in putting a battery in the battery building.
So they were generating at the plant when you were there. Now so far this year there has been 254 days of those 254 days have they generated power? Maybe 30? not to efficient.
Can't be generating much....their little stack of coal out back wouldn't keep my Chihuahuas warm for long...and they would have to pull the weeds out of it first.
I wonder if anyone but you, Term, will see this comment. Not suggesting you would hide it, but just that adding it to an older post, maybe it won't get noticed.
I wanted to comment because I was observing the conversation taking place in these comments about net metering, and there seems to be a few uninformed people trying to post like they are experts. I particularly had to laugh at Sandy's comment about a monkey putting solar panels on a tree. Contrary to her belief, it's not that easy. First of all, a tree would be a tad impractical for a solar panel. In all seriousness though, there are numerous codes in the NEC that must be followed when you install a power source capable of delivering lethal amounts of power. Failure to follow those codes could result in catastrophy for your home that insurance wouldn't cover. And I'll stop there on that subject, as installing solar panels has nothing to do with net metering.
For net metering to work, you would need to have a meter capable of recording both power received and power delivered. You still have to pay for the power you get from the grid when your local output isn't enough to cover your needs. Then there is the matter of power delivered, or what you put on the grid. This must be measureable. It is not simply a deduction from what your buying. Since Painesville has purchase agreements in place to cover their needs, they won't be interested in your power. (Whether or not the contract with Prairie State actually prohibits it is something I have never heard. A muni utility can enter into a purchase agreement with who ever they want) You are going to need to find a buyer for your excess power. And, you're not going to be able to sell it for the price you pay.
Additionally, you are going to need equipment installed that will prevent your power from going on to the grid should a storm take down a tree or something else and linemen need to work on what needs to be a de-energized line. The cost for the meter and equipment plus installation is well into the thousands of dollars plus.
And lest we forget, you would be putting power into only one phase of a three phase system. This will introduce an imbalance to the system that your local utility is not going to tolerate. So you will need two other utility customers (one on each of the other phases) to be producing an equivalent amount of power.
You also will need synchronizing equipment so that your power is in phase with the utility's or you will cause an immediate outage for your neighbors who aren't producing their own power.
I have a natural gas well on my property, so I don't have to pay for gas and I use it to power a generator. Anyway, the above is what I learned when I thought about selling power back to the grid. In the end, it just wasn't worth the hassle. And being a First Energy customer, I would be able to. I just think the ROI is not worth it. This arrangement is most practical for a business that has a three phase service.
Any way, that's my two cents. Thanks.
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