Friday, August 19, 2016

"SQUEEZE BOX' the who

ATTENTION:  MONDAY AUGUST 22, 2016

THIS EVENING AT 6:00 PM AT CITY HALL THERE WILL BE A

TOWN HALL MEETING AT CITY HALL  BY COUNCILMAN DELEONE AND COUNCILWOMAN SHOOP WITH GUEST COUNTY COMMISSIONER JUDY MORAN.

AS ALWAYS IT IS OPEN TO THE PUBLIC AND IT APPEARS IN A SETTING SUCH AS THIS RESIDENTS VOICE CONCERNS IN NOT AN OFFICIAL SETTTING AS  IN A COUNCIL MEETING. THINGS SEEM TO BE HEARD


There's no escape from the music
in the whole damn street


Well it's a slow Thursday night ah, Zoning Meeting tonight. Wonder what's up?

First a couple wanted to add a sun room to the rear of their house to be built on the deck? Didn't know you had to have a permit to add a room? No, you never got a permit to even build the deck? Well you can't build the room on top of the deck.  your in violation of many codes including setbacks as well as structures are not allowed on decks. But if you teardown the deck you can have a 12' X 12' room addition. Will that work for you? Very accommodating bunch that will work with you.

As at most zoning meetings there is always at least one request from Entitlement Height ( Heisley Park)  Rarely a meeting goes by without a request for a shed, swimming pool, deck and even fences.
Last night was driveway night. Residents who want to expand their driveways from the sixteen feet they have now. To basically a three car wide driveway. See as families grow so do the number of vehicles. This along with only thirty feet of frontage makes for a short driveway. Along with a city ordinance that limits driveway's to forty feet of frontage creates a problem.

Plus the narrow streets in HP limits on street parking. Look I understand the need as well as understand giving the variance. What seems to me to be the problem is the R2 multi-family zoning that causes everything from driveways to sheds pools decks whatever. Just think all these issues could pretty much have been resolved with an R1 (75) zoning. But as attorney Lyons explained to me if the city would have held the builder to R1 maybe the people living there wouldn't be able to afford their homes? As the development never being built.

He is correct but who should the city look out for? The resident's who will live there or the builder who wants to shoehorn every last house into that development? Maybe potential buyers were looking for a larger lot size and bought elsewhere. Just think Mr. Lyons maybe a good eight out of ten request might have been avoided? Although I see HP as Liberty Greens a very nice neighborhoods sometimes it appears someone wants to put a size eight foot into a size six shoe?

I predict Painesville will never build another house as an R1 (75) again and for sure now that council has approved a R1 (60).

As well as a word to the wise never bring a host of pictures of nearby homes in HP that have done what you are requesting. See there's a good chance the city never approved of those additions and now they seem to show an interest in them. Most were probably accomplished by week-end warrior's!

Myself this mess should be turned over to the Planning Commission to sort out.

12 Comments:

At August 19, 2016 at 3:19 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Term,
You are so correct on so many points that it is hard to know where to start.
The HP property was originally zoned R2. I have no idea why land that was annexed was made R2, but it was. The problem is that the City didn't want any apartments or other places built to house multiple families SO they agreed to allowed R2 sized lots (where they should have been R1) with stipulations that the builder could not built apartments or condos.
BTW, until recently no one I talked to knew HP was zoned R2.
Oh, the added benefit to the builder is that he got five homes in a space where R1 zoning would have only given him four homes. Doesn't take a genius to know which any, and every, builder will choose.
Of even greater importance than the 75' vs 60' frontage requirement, the difference in lot size makes a HUGE difference. R2 allows for 7500 square foot lots where R1 requires 10,000 square feet.
You would think that the City would realize that homes the size they are in HP simply do not fit on such small lots. Problems with pools, driveways, fences, accessory structures. The list goes on and on.
Nope, they attempt to justify it by saying that the builder would have walked away.
Like you ask, are they here to represent the builder or the residents?
I guess this tells us the answer.
This is entirely on previous Councils and the Administration. Now we have to make the best of it. Trouble is that they still have their heads in the sand.

 
At August 20, 2016 at 7:49 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

won't their basement serve as swimming pools if they turn the duo sump pumps off....... should have never built houses on that property to begin with, check with soil and water on that one.

 
At August 20, 2016 at 9:58 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

7:49 But they did and after the developer is gone it will all be Painesville City's problem and responsibility. More problems from the McMahon regime
Mini-lots two story colonials with basements? Any reasonable developer would never have built those homes with basements on such small lots. It will come back to haunt us.

 
At August 20, 2016 at 10:28 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Many people might not remember but that entire area was (for lack of a better term) a swamp.
It was nothing but cat-taisl back there.
Much like Marine Parkway in Mentor or the housing sub-division on both sides of Bacon Rd. these were all swamp type land.
Houses should never have been built there for any reason BUT money speaks louder.
There will be problems as long as there are houses back there.

 
At August 20, 2016 at 3:10 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic, but I visited the Utilities Department payment center in person the other day. I don't pay in person very often, but when I do, I always get someone rude and disrespectful. I was helped by a woman I never saw before, and she was disgusting. I wish I would have gotten her name and taped it, as has been suggested on this blog. Clearly it does no good to complain in this city anyway, as I have learned the hard way, but what do they do here?...make disrespectful behavior towards the citizens a prerequisite to getting a job in that department? Unbelievable. I also find it shocking that even if it is the atmosphere of the department, and employees know they can get away with it, how bad would your moral code have to be to go ahead and be rude and short with someone just because you can? Talk about having a little power go right to your head, and what does THAT say about you as a person. So, rude person in the electric/utility payment department, you may have gotten away with treating me rudely, but please know that I have absolutely no respect for you because of it.

 
At August 20, 2016 at 5:25 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

3:10 I have not encountered tat situation for a very long time. It's very impersonal now that there's a glass patrician. Usually there is a supervisor in the room you should have demanded to speak to her. If not there go across the hall and make a complaint at the finance department.
I do expect some not all city employee's to take advantage council has presented to them. I don't think that person cares much?
10:28 You are correct.

 
At August 21, 2016 at 10:33 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Off topic, what's the story on the house on 84 near fairgrounds road that was never finished and sat with mounds of dirt in front for 20 years. I see they tore the house down, but not the garage. Backstory please...

 
At August 21, 2016 at 11:56 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

10:33 That house has sat like that since the 70's. Sorta a mystery house? I was told once it was owned by Earl Evans but I can't confirm that. I have no idea what's going on and that fortunately is a Township issue.
Anybody out there know the story?

 
At August 22, 2016 at 4:56 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anybody here about a shooting at the Wash House on Storrs St.? Yesterday

 
At August 23, 2016 at 4:57 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

That house with mounds of dirt has a brick and construction type similar to others farther East on 84. They always made me think of a certain resident that's deceased now, but I don't know for sure. What's the address, check the auditors web page.

I am very happy for the owner of the home just West of that eyesore.

 
At August 23, 2016 at 9:38 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Was this Moran's way to get some free campaigning in?

 
At August 23, 2016 at 8:59 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

That house on 84 was one of Gibbs' "I don't have to listen to nobody projects. Built without permits and when they shut him down, he refused to fix the defects and let it rot. It is actually from the 80s, but what difference does a decade make when it was always meant to be a neglected tax write off.

 

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