"THE RACE IS ON" george jones
Here comes Pride up the back stretch, Heartache going to the inside
So here we are less then a month before council elections for the city wards. All I know for sure is that Paul Hach is a lock in Ward IV. Take it to Vegas!
Ward I Shoop vs. Aston Must admit I am a Aston supporter. Renee just appears to not be much of a push over or easily lead. Coming out of a recent council meeting she asked me " did you just watch what I just watched? I knew exactly what she meant. Don't expect her to be part of the girls club.
Christine has been involved with the city and is presently serving on the Planning Commission people serving on these unpaid commission and boards should be thanked. Maybe I'm not watching to closely but she seems to be running a campaign like Fodor or Fitzgerald very little public exposure. My only question would be who on council or running isn't approachable ?
Ward II Jenkins vs. Werner Well what have you done for me lately? Hal in his campaign has told ward residents he voted against AMP-OHIO and if others on council had voted the same way Painesville would be two million dollars richer. Now that's a fact. Also it seems his opponent was behind an ordinance to no longer require muzzles on pit bulls? Let's face it was Hal right or wrong about his concerns about illegal immigration?
Katie answers her phone and get's back to residents concerns usually quite fast. She always appears to have Painesville residents best interests at heart.
Ward III Deleone vs. Mirbel The Lawyer vs. the Reverend. I would hate to be Mike in this one how do you deal with the guy who's boss is God?
To disclose here I have many personal reasons to not support Mike. I don't buy all the hugging and shaking of hands as I would prefer we just nod when we meet. The person he hugged has only met him twice? Face it Mike does his job on council always with an alterative motive in mind. Gerald seems like a person who will listen to everyone's opinion and concerns. Rev. Mirbel when asked if he loses what then? "I will continue doing what I am doing for the people of Painesville." Plus Mike must understand there's a difference between bring legislation forward and just voting yes to something.
Signs don't mean anything we are not voting on the number of signs. What we are voting on is who will be Painesville's Board of Directors as council people. If you are presently happy why change if your not well it's up to you.
Also if you get an opportunity ask present council people who should negotiate the refuse contract?
You might be surprised.
As I speak with candidates they tell me many residents want a Mayor. Something we should look into if that's the peoples really want.
posted by terminator1 @ 11:30 AM
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A mayor for here was discussed many times, even petitions circulated. What happened? NOTHING ABSOLUTLY NOTHING. Why? or why not?
In a "perfect" world, I think the City Manager concept is better.
After all, the Council can select the best candidate from all applicants after reviewing their records and qualifications.
However, this is not a perfect world.
The sad reality is that the people have no input into the selection of the person who, in our case, decides on contracts that deal with basic services.
I can disagree with anything the CM does and yet the closest I come to being able to oust him/her is through the election of my Council person and the three at-large members.
There is something wrong here.
Additionally, the CM is almost always going to be someone who comes into the City from somewhere else. At the end of their reign, they will be moving somewhere else. However the damage they can do will last for a very long time.
This is especially true if we have a Council with no back bone and no desire to ask hard questions that require answers.
What we have doesn't appear to be working in the interest of the residents so maybe it is time to look at alternatives.
I cast my ballot last week at the Board of Elections, and reluctantly voted for Katie Jenkins. I only voted for her because of her opponent; however, I think Hal is going to win because he's going to benefit from the backlash against undocumented immigrants, and Spanish-speaking people in general, that exists in Painesville. I have seen who has Hal's campaign signs in their yards near where I live; they are all older whites, which is Hal's key (and probably only) demographic group. They will most likely vote for him out of a combination of frustration and bigotry. I won't be surprised if this happens, since Hal's certainly not the first, nor will he be the last, politician to capitalize on passionate feelings targeted toward a particular nationality (or race, religion, gender or sexual orientation). Katie might have overcome this had she made more of an effort to stand out during her term; only being known for her anti-muzzle measure just isn't going to cut it. If she is re-elected, I hope she decides to be her own person and not go along with the status quo in Council. By the way, it's nice to know that she has a reputation of quickly responding to her constituents; I never had that experience, as I'm still waiting for her to get back to me on an issue I contacted her about four months ago.
Aston v. Shoop, no opinion. I know the Shoop family from way back at St. Mary but I can't speak to either party's leadership abilities. It'll be different than Andy, for sure.
Jenkins v. Werner...Jenkins didn't vote 'yes' for AMP either. And has the amount of bites/attacks from Pit Bulls gone up since the muzzle ordinance was rescinded? Probably not at a statistically significant level.
DeLeone v. Mirbel...sorry Mike, you've been an empty seat as far as I can tell.
3:31/ 5:00 I agree and will be looking at ideas and have a post dedicated to the subject. Let's see if there's enough people who want a change. Me for one I am tired of a council just throwing the keys to a CM and then complaining?
5:04 Young people don't get frustrated or are bigots?
Adam no she didn't but she did nothing to stop this from getting out of control. And she hasn't lifted a finger to save me a dime on this contract. My feeling on why she didn't want to send a letter to the Ohio Attorney General was lame. I forgot even Mike DeLeone voted to send a letter a PLUS for him I failed to mention in the post. Someone got to her and thought it was best left as water under the bridge or we gambled and lost? Well if these 7 people can't even try to save us from this contract that I predict what will in time go down as one of the most corrupt deals with municipalities why do they even show up?
Never mind the $96,000 Waste Management contract who are these people really looking out for? Here's a clue the administration Sorry ADAM if you think Mike didn't do anything look around.
Look let me state here all people serving on council are in their own right very nice people, good people friendly people But who's interests are they looking out for? You can be a great person with a good heart and still be a poor candidate for council.
It can be a tuff job and you at times have to make tuff decisions. It's not to come down to just a popularity contest.
Someone told me I am the most hated person at a council meeting? Don't really care! but I will always state my point and people can judge for themselves what this council is all about! They can ignore me, but remember they will ignore you too. Sorry I'm not Kissin' anyone's...
Sorry, how does council throw the keys of the city to the city manager when COUNCIL IS HIS BOSS? He should be reporting to them. He should be doing what they ask of him not thumbing his nose at them. He should be doing a lot more that flying all over the country for conferences, vacations and job offers. Get it right council - Who's the boss?
TERM, you're not kissing anyone's except the CM. You do a pretty good job of that and I can't figure out why.
12:45 see 12:00 Don't turn the keys to the castle to someone and then complain what they do? This council is plain lazy. Plus the fact the last CM might have liked dong business this way and just maybe this one doesn't. Plus a lot of the complaining seems to be from employee's . You have a Union go to them.
Council the worst Bosses' ever.
5:04 here,
Yes, there are young people who get frustrated and are bigots, but I think they are also less likely to vote than the older whites in Ward II, as I mentioned in the previous post. Hal Werner knows this, too, which is why he is trying to win their vote with his xenophobic spiel. He's taking a big chance, of course, because if any voter in Ward II doesn't know much about either Hal or Katie, but knows that Hal is openly against undocumented people, and subtly against Latinos in general, that alone will either win or lose votes for him. I just think it's going to get him more votes than not, because of the discontent with, and backlash against, the undocumented and Latinos in general. By the way, I base a lot of this on comments in my neighborhood from those who are supporting Hal. More than once I've heard them speak about how "Hal doesn't like the Mexicans", or "Hal would do something about these illegals". Well, no, he can't, but it doesn't matter because they think he can, and will vote for him, and that's all Hal really wants.
get ready:
Unfortunately Council didn't look into Slick Tony's Trumbull County history. and your going to pay
From the Vindicator
Carson must repay Trumbull County
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Published: Mon, January 29, 2007 @ 12:31 p.m.
WARREN — Former Trumbull County Administrator Tony Carson Jr. will have to repay $9,568 in unemployment compensation benefits.
The Ohio Unemployment Compensation Review Commission has ruled that he resigned in July 2006 without just cause.
R. Keller Rohde, a hearing officer with the commission, said in a decision received by the county today that Carson was not justified in quitting because of behavior by Commissioner Paul Heltzel last July.
“Mr. Heltzel, during the last month of [Carson’s] employment, was demanding, abrasive, vulgar and loud,” the report submitted with its decision said. “It is understandable [Carson] did not care for the way Mr. Heltzel treated him and the other employees. That does not necessarily mean, however, that [Carson] was reasonably justified in quitting.”
The decision said Carson failed to demonstrate that there was any likelihood he would be held responsible for the way Heltzel behaved toward staff members working under Carson at the commissioner’s office, and failed to demonstrate that Heltzel would have been able to get Carson fired.
It added that Carson failed to make a reasonable effort to resolve the conflict between him and Heltzel by speaking directly with Heltzel about it.
Carson received unemployment benefits of $9,568 through Jan. 20 and will have to repay those, the decision said.
Carson abruptly resigned July 26, 2006, after being summoned to the commissioners’ office after learning that Heltzel was unhappy with him for failing to complete a task.
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Mayor vs City Manager: are city managers in such demand we can't seem to find one to move this city forward? The last CM trained council to jump through her hoops and they did so willingly. Not much outrage from the residents because we have a head of council who was trained so well he voted for AMP, done nothing about the the vote to help the residents out of the mess, was re-elected and is now running unopposed. And although I agree with the points 5:00 pm makes I'm still not sure I want a mayor. We get so few to turn up theat the polls I'm not sure it's a good way for Painesville to go. I have also watched too many elections in this town rigged and by that I mean when things are put on the ballot, what year things are put on the ballot and how issues are worded on the ballot. These have been discussed on this blog in the past.
Hal vs. Katie. I rather vote for a Pitt bull at this point. I worked the polls the year Hal won and it was cold, windy and nasty. The young guy working for Hal was exuberant about Hal. I was not. Then Hal won and we were subjected to his bully pulpit tactics and Abby Delamotte sanctioned him to speaking at the end of council meetings to two or three minutes. Anybody remember that? Next election I worked the polls again and the same young man showed up to work for an issue on the ballot. I asked him if he was happy with Hal's performance? He was so disheartened. He and others felt they had worked hard to get Hal elected and when he won on election night Hal failed to show up to his own party, instead he ran to the CM's party. He never thanked them or shook a hand. He would not respond to their calls and this young man felt very betrayed by Hal once he got into office. He did not move forward on the promises he had made during his campaign. Will the voters have amnesia or forgiveness for that last stint on council? I guess we will find out. As for Katie, wasn't it her mother who got on this blog extolling the virtues of her free willed, free thinking daughter, saying nobody would put words in her mouth. Well Mom I hate to disappoint you but I have seen none of those traits from your daughter. What has she done for the residents of the city? The Pitt Bull is looking pretty good.
Mike vs. Mirabel: Mike, sorry but what a waste of a council seat. Whatever happened to all the huff over Atwells? That too seemed pretty rigged when you had a whole neighborhood under fire and the police show up when all is silent? Hmmmmm...... And for Mike to openly say someone is senile? Nice..... Mirabel I don't know much about but it's a bit scary with the comment; He works for God. That sends a shutter down my back. If Hal wins and Mirabels wins who will preach more? Yeah those will be great council meeting.... Take a pillow to sit on Term, you're gonna need it.
Ashton vs Shoop: I'm going with Rene'. At least she has vision for Painesville, has attended council meetings and pays attention! I don't know Shoop.
Good Luck residents of Painesville, now get out there and vote!
A large majority of City Union workers prefer Carson. The complaining is coming from supervision and Department Head wanna a bees.
My wife and I voted absentee the other day. Despite reservations, we both voted for Mike DeLeone. Rev Mirbel seems like a nice person but according to the Board of Elections, he did not vote for the Painesville City Schools Renew levy. Just our opinion, we believe our candidate should support our schools.
6:09 Wow you two are through. My question if he had how would you know he voted for or against it?
5:15 I'm starting to see it the same way.
5:11 Is it just me but do all these comments seem to center on not wanting the best person but voting against a lesser evil? you also seem to have done your homework.
5:40 This is what you got? First in reading the newspaper article this was not a criminal case but a civil one. Now Mr. Carson applied for unemployment compensation received it and his superiors went to court to denied his claim. The civil court decided that Mr. Carson had to return the compensation of $9,568 so what's the big to-do? I will throw this in here if this was Painesville they probably would never have peruse the case like Trumbull County. Council probably wouldn't have even sent a letter. Again this is what the crime of the century?
This is not kissin' anyone. Talk about a mountain out of a molehill.
Did I miss something who did councilman DeLeone call senile and why?
5:15 Of course the unions love the new city manager. He gave away the house to them. A nice 2% raise for unions(himself included) plus add in all the benefits. I believe it came to about a 4% or more total. He gave back what and undid the years of negotiations others did trying to save the city money. This is yet another example of him spinning this city in reverse direction and setting it back. If someone doesn't get an outside audit and find out about the Waste Management and towing kickbacks. We may be just like Cuyahoga county and those crooks they had to put away!
Now who and what are the wanna be's?
Are you saying some city employees wannabe the city manager and they don't like him for that? It would have to be one or some of the ladies working for the city now? Only the non-degreed women get promoted into positions that are watered down and changed to benefit them. Perhaps Ms LaPuma will be the next city manager. How about it council? You took Carsons recommendation but you could have said no.
Your comment defending Carson's unpaid lawsuit - you will be singing another tune when he waltzes out of here with his big fat retirement. He'll probably be able to repay that with the city's taxpayer dollars too.
TERM, 7:08, you can check on the Board of Elections website and see what elections anyone voted in. The good reverend didn't vote in the election where there was a school levy, thus he didn't vote for the levy.
Term,
Regarding your point about our comments centering on not wanting the best person, but voting for the lesser evil - perhaps it's because there is no "best" person in the council races to want to win. That seems to be the consensus in Ward II, and the DeLeone/Mirbel race is also looking that way. As mentioned recently in this forum, we can't get better-qualified candidates to run in Painesville, so we're stuck with what we have. Because of this, many of us voters have no choice but to concentrate on the negative, and decide on a candidate based on such things as which one would do the least damage to the city while in office, who is less annoying, and how much we mind whatever influences the candidates' political views. As for the latter, I think that's going to play a role in people voting for Werner and Mirbel, as they will receive votes simply because of how much they are influenced by the Tea Party and religious views, respectively.
7:29 So we walk into the voting booth thinking whom will do the least damage? I can see that. But how sad.
6:21 You should have stopped while you were ahead, talk about a plant comment. Well I'll do you one better I will guarantee you in cash that Councilman DeLeone did not vote YES in the last Painesville City School Levy. Wonder how much he cares for PCLS?
5:26 You sound like a disappointed person in the city food chain? Again no crime sorry. And I wouldn't blame him one bit if he did what you suggest. First they give him the power then complain about his use of power? Only the magnificent 7 can change that.
5:15 Well let's see if you can get council to vote for a forensic audit?
8:05 Well my oldest daughter was visiting Grandma when the Atwell barrage commenced. She questioned why it happened? I told her my councilman assured me that with discussions with Atwells they were in the process of sounddeading the range? Don't know if that's true or not. Now her husband my son-in-law is a partner in a well know Cleveland law firm . She mentioned the problem to me and he asked if he might give it a try. He called CM Carson who was willing to sitdown and see if something could be done. Todd then called Councilman DeLeone and never mentioned I was his client or that he was my son-in-law. After a short conversation that went nowhere councilman DeLeone said I know who your client is, Angelo Cimaglio and proceeded to tell him you know Angelo is getting old and is getting very forgetful? The conversation ended soon after. So the solution to the problem was to tell someone I was forgetful. Seeing Mike at a council meeting I mentioned it to him, of course he denied it I then informed him the attorney he was talking to was my son-in-law. That said a few months ago Mike sat with me on my mother's front porch and asked if I would put a sign in her yard for him? This guy has one set of ... Now there is not much I can do about him being a councilman in Ward III but if Judge Cicconetti ever retires I will support his opponent to the max.
As far as Atwell's we decided to live with it remember this is Painesville, case closed.
Also I guess it seems many feel a person is a racist or a bigot if they have a problem with illegal immigration? You are a racist or bigot for wanting the laws of this country enforced? Again many people who have to directly be involved or are looking to compete for a low wage job make just have a different take?
I don't agree with Trump but then I don't agree with the Pope's open borders either. Nothing will ever happen because many like it just the wayit is.
Term there was an article yesterday about a class action lawsuit against cleveland public power about hidden/misappropriated fees actually collected for general revenue, for all we know our city could be doing this to us too. our electric rate has never been printed on our bill as long as I have lived here, I've complained about it to the bill collecting office and my councilperson and have never gotten anywhere, look at your gas bill everything is there rates etc. I don't know why our city cant do the same, our water sewer and electric rate should be a line item on every bill, how do we know when the rate is raised, I have been told by the billing office that they sometimes "adjust" bills (meaning fudge numbers) when a bill is overestimated because they never want you to know that you overpaid. I've tried but am unsuccessful in getting this changed. we need enough people to start a movement to get this done.
Did he sit in your recliner? HA! Ya know the one that is against code/ordinance? The inside furniture doesn't belong on a front porch one. Someone above wants the city to crack down on minor infractions, you want the city to ensure quiet from Atwells. Yet you can thumb your nose at authority because the rules for everyone but you?
12:16 After checking city codes I contend the chair is legal because like Atwell's it was Grandfathered in? Thumbing your nose can be done by anyone I guess?
11:17 Municipal Power is unregulated. No PUCO no one questioning any policy's or prices. The CM can raise prices anytime he/she wishes without oversight. Wonder how many in Painesville realize we have a summer and winter electric rates? Wonder how these rates are manipulated by timing readings? The city does a very poor job of explaining your electric costs. But then again does council even care?
Term,
I have heard "levilization" explained at least three times and I still think it is a shell game.
BTW, it is also NOT a word according to any spell check device I have tried.
(:27 Levelization isn't a word. But a policy by AMP-OHIO to borrow money (that you will also pay the interest on) To spread the pain over a longer time. That's it it's not a gift
The best anology would be a frog sitting in warming water the frog doesn't realize the water is getting hotter.
My best estimation is that Painesville has paid over 5 million dollars more for power from PSEC than if they had stayed out of the deal and just bought power off the market? % Mil here another 2 Mil there and pretty soon it's quite a lot of money, but Hell we got Carriage Rides at Christmas.
Nothing to see here bad investment, bad gamble!
9:27 Thinking about it it's so much worse then a shell game. You can stop the losing by walking away from the shell game. Unfortunately Prairie State is like Hell your in for the long hall. Joe and Rita never seemed to mention that.
They must have relied on their EXPERTS!
Yep, thumbing makes you no better than any of all the others that break laws, rules and ordinances by finding that little loophole to get away with things. Yet when its to your disadvantage you carry on about it forever.
Just a couple quick points to Oct. 13 at 5:04 p.m.:
It is not the fault of any American that the vast majority of illegals in this country are Hispanic/Latino. Several years back, the Mexican president estimated that there were 20 million illegal Mexicans in the United States of America. My guess is that we have 20 million more from all the other countries, too, because surely we have illegals from every existing country in the world here now.
If you think that this is not a problem, and that the United States of America is going to continue to exist for you, as you apparently do, then you had better hope that those old, white, "bigoted" folk win their battle and save your country FOR you, since you obviously have not given this much thought. We are so far past the "just nice people here to work" narrative, that we are losing our country; in fact it is at least 50% gone. What we old white folk know is that our fathers and grandfathers would never have let our country be weakened and threatened and taken over this way -- and they didn't. They valiantly watched over things like this -- even the guest-worker programs -- to make sure our country stayed strong, and that it worked for Americans, and that people who did not belong here went back to their own countries. We also let more than 1 million people in legally every year, and we cannot sustain that, either. If you think we can, look around, and you will see that, no, we can't. Do the research.
I would suggest that you also do your research on just how many illegals are here, what they are doing to our country, and what they are costing us in terms of money, jobs, crime rates, murders, rapes, beheadings, etc. Americans are beheaded by the very same people who are in our country illegally in these peoples countries, and in our own country...but the government doesn't want you to know that these things are happening, so they don't get much press.
We cannot continue to exist as the country we know if we don't stop this now. At the very least, do some research on why you should be fighting automatic citizenship for children born here of illegals. Even the guy who wrote that law said it was not meant the way we are using it. He would have had to have been insane to think that America could survive such a thing, and he did know that, and he did clarify it, but it is still being misinterpreted as it suits the politicians and the bleeding hearts like you, who have no idea that a country cannot survive this, and that that is why no other country in the world has, or would have, allowed this, including Mexico.
If you want to know what America is going to look like very soon, and for sure when these old, white "bigots" are gone, if they have not already won the fight for you, then go look at Mexico, or the Middle East.
If America is your country, then you have a duty to protect her and to make sure the laws of the land are upheld. That is what has sustained us all these many years, and the fact that we are selectively executing the laws today, is what brings us to this mess that we have now.
If you do not know how much peril we are in as a country, then please, please do some research and get the facts. And by the way, this country was founded by white folk; they created it, and they have run it almost exclusively for most of its existence, so I wouldn't turn your nose up so high at the people who founded this great country for you.
Do the research please. The laws were created by men who knew what laws were needed to sustain and protect this wonderful country they made for us.
6:23 It's not the fault of an American? Please think that one over.
Border left open, Reagan's amnesty
Employers begging for cheap labor, along with new customers.
Cities like Painesville officials welcoming them here never mind their legal status.
Americans wanting cheap domestic help, the list goes on.
Sorry these were Americans and not one has been held responsible.
Oh, believe me we are at fault.
Hal Werner is a slime ball. Just ask anyone who helped him get elected last time. Katie Jenkins is useless. I guess I'm going with useless.
10:43, you missed the point of the post completely. And next time I feel like running a stop sign, I'll do it if there is no police sitting right there, and I'll blame my law-breaking on the fact that there were no police sitting right there. Another thought...go to Mexico illegally and stay and tell them that it's their fault you broke their laws. Again, you missed the point of the post.
Another little question for Oct. 13, 5:04 p.m. Please list all the countries of the world that are run by brown and/or black people that are doing as well as the U.S., and you can even ignore the fact that the U.S. is doing so much worse than it would be doing if not for all the illegal immigration. When you're done trying to make that list, then you just might take your nose down another notch next time you think of those old, white "bigots" who have created and mostly sustained this country for you.
10:43: Nothing like taking 6:23's post right off track. Many millions of the illegals, at least half, are Hispanic/Latino. So anyone who wants the illegals out are called bigots by the Hispanic/Latinos, and anyone else who wants them to be legalized. It's a ploy, and it's a way to skirt the issue and place blame that does not exist on the Americans who want the laws of their country followed and who are tired of paying the many prices necessary for having all these illegals in their country. You really missed the point of the post to continue to make your point. I do not believe your point has anything at all to do with 6:23's post. And I wholeheartedly agree with 6:23.
Why Hal, Well I guess when I realized Mr. Razo lived a hundred yard from my home and know the death he caused along with the Mayhem, it sort of changes your mind. No Katie sorry not all are here for a better life.
Then we have the illegal alien going to gun shows buys weapons and sells them to other illegals makes me believe you might not be looking at this to clearly. That's why this time Hal get's my vote. I would rather sleep at night dear.
And really, why would we want someone in our country who came for a "better life" when they came illegally. We don't need any more law breakers here, as we have plenty of our own. They just think they want to come, and they come? Would we do that? No, we would apply legally and get in the damn line. It's not a right, it's a privilege. And then they're here illegally, and they march in our streets and demand to stay and demand services. The American citizens need to demand that our laws are upheld, and we need to demand that the 14th Amendment quits being read wrong. It was never intended to mean that; everyone in the government knows that, but still it stands as it is. It's up to the American people, and nobody can assume someone else is going to take up the fight for them anymore, as the people who run our country are idiots. If you don't like it, you are one of the ones that need to stand up, if not for yourself, then for your descendants.
To 1:13 pm
How will having Hal as your councilperson help you sleep better at night? There was nothing he nor anyone else could have done to prevent the crime Mr. Razo committed. He's all talk, and as a councilperson won't have the power to change anything relating to illegal immigrants. He will spend the next four years using his position on council as his soapbox and accomplishing nothing.
8:27 It just would, sorry Katie seems busy selling body oil anyway.
Seems Katie has accomplished that?
Will the Reverend be pro or anti illegal? I'm thinking hes probably like St Marys - let them come and shelter them. Now, he does a lot of great missionary work in Haiti. I applaud him for this. But could the potential for illegal Haitians happen here too? I sure hope not we have our hands full here now with the Mexicans. Just something to think about.
1:01 The Reverend has assured me he will follow the laws of the country, state and city ordinances.
He didn't look into this on a whim.
TO October 18, 2015 at 1:35 PM post
If you are voting for useless Jenkins and not Hal than you must be okay with the good old boy and gals network we presently have. I've talked to Hal and he's ready for another chance. I'm really convinced he has changed and will work hard to support the communities concerns. I never have known him to betray a voter. I think people are very sensitive these days. I seen Hal putting Thank you attachments on all of his elections yard signs the last time he was elected.
6:59: You obviously don't know Hal very well. You say you have not known him to betray a voter. You must not be reading the posts or believing the posts. He betrayed every person who helped him get elected last time. For one thing, he said he was going to work to try to get former City Manager, Rita McMahon, replaced. But on election night, he refused to even take the phone calls of the people who worked on his campaign, literally snubbed his nose at them, and completely went over to McMahon and tried to buddy up. What happened is that she and the rest of what he must have considered "the elite" wouldn't have anything to do with him, and he had already spit in the face of everyone who got him elected, so then he had no one. But as it turns out, he would have lost the support of everyone who worked to get him elected anyway, because of what he did, and did not do, once he got elected. So whatever he is or is not now, don't try to change history and/or try to blame it on people being "too sensitive." That is/was not the case. Ask anyone who worked hard on his campaign based on the promises he made, to then have him break all his promises and immediately -- the night of the election, no doubt -- turn his back on everyone who worked to get him there. The fact that the choices are Hal or Jenkins is a pretty sad selection all the way around.
To October 28, 2015 at 4:29 PM
Sorry, but I don’t live a virtual world that you live to believe anonymous posts have any real validity. I am a commonsense patriot that believes in old fashioned door to door campaigns are hard work that deserve my vote instead of mailing post cards like his opponent. Stop sabotaging his campaign you stalker! Everything you say is extreme which makes me believe that you are off quite considerably!
Sorry 6:42 if the truth hurts, but that's the way it was. And maybe you should ask the police department just how insane Werner drove them once he won the election and started throwing his weight all around town. You should probably drop this now, because you're on the wrong side of the truth. If you think he'll do better now, vote for him. But don't be saying that the people who are/were unhappy with him were just too sensitive. There's no winning argument for the past with him as a council person, and I personally wouldn't give you two cents for him as a person, either. Vote for him if you want to, but don't try to rewrite history and blame the people he crapped all over. I could go on, so you should probably stop now.
7:36 The only question about police I would have for Hal is does he support an SRO officer at Heritage? Presently there seems little desire by the city or the board?
Concerning a SRO officer in schools. With everything that is going on in schools these days, I cannot believe the citizens are not demanding at least one officer on premise for each school every place in the country. Then was then and this is now. What's going on in schools these days was unthinkable a few years back. And I'm not even talking about the school shootings. For example, anyone who thinks that that recent incident in another state with the black student who wouldn't comply with the teacher or administration and leave the classroom, to later be forcibly removed from her chair by a police office should have been continued to be handled by the school is crazy. That situation needed a police officer, and I don't care how many black people say it's just youth being youth -- no it is not. They, and any other color parent, need to teach their children to obey the rules, obey the teachers, obey authority, and obey the laws. No way in hell are teachers and school administrators expected to deal with that kind of defiant garbage, and there is no place for it in any school or any other kind of situation. Unfortunately, now she has her 15 minutes of fame; she'll have her million dollar settlement, just like she wanted, and America, especially Black America and Black youth have learned nothing with the Black cover-up and excuses going on. I am in 100% agreement with an officer being present in every school. And that girl needs to be expelled as opposed to getting the settlement she'll probably get. And there goes another police officer down the tubes. We are going to end up with no police officers at all. And if she refuses to be educated, then make sure she never gets one dime of public assistance -- ever.
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