"THAT'S THE WAY I ALWAYS HEARD IT SHOULD BE" carly simon
In the last week we have found out who our new city manager as well as school superintendent will be. Much research went in by both city council as well as the board of education.
First the city reported hiring Anthony Carson as Painesville's new city manager. Now if I met him on the street tomorrow I would never spot him.
The council-president gave a short Bio. of him as to growing up in Northeast Ohio and presently living in Maryland.
We could have hired Johnny Carson or even Kit Carson for all we know.
The council kept the decision close to the vest never really telling who or how many they even were interviewed.
We could have interviewed the greatest city manger and then let them slip through our fingers. But we will never know. Here's our guy we feel confident in our decision.
Not faulting their system at all. It's there way of selection.
Now the Painesville School Board took a different approach. They interviewed as many as twenty candidates and came down to three finalists. These three were the ones at the 'meet and greet' in April.
Now I believe this process was all intended to be transparent.
But in the process something backfired. The community didn't view the finalist as the BOE.
I had one board member explain that it was pretty even in the way the three groups viewed them.
I have no idea what meeting he attended but it wasn't the way I viewed the candidates at the meeting.
Now I could be wrong but even before the meeting I believe the BOE had decided on who was going to be their next superintendent.
Problem was the community as well as staff didn't see it the same way.
First you offer the job to someone who turns it down. Then you are left with what?
Now Mr. Shepard is coming into a fire storm created by whom? May have had good intentions but in the end who's happy.
I expect Mr. McWreath to look for opportunities elsewhere, I also expect Mr. Shepard to also run into unneeded opposition.
Remember what happened is neither Dr. Moore, Mr. Shepard, or Mr. Mcwreath fault. In the future the BOE SHOULD know, no MUST know the desires of the community better.
posted by terminator1 @ 6:00 PM
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U seem not to know that those seeking the position of city manager were put through a search group to narrow down those interview by the city. Yes there first choice turned them down because she got a much better offer that the city could not match. They then went back to the head hunters. And got new names . They Went through the new group and there top person was offered the job. The public was not involved because the council hires and fires the city manager by the charter. We don't gst a voice in the hiring oh dept heads why would we get a choose in the CM .. This would make the hiring process a nightmare. We elected those to run the city we should let them do it, and if the majority do not like the way it's being done the vote them out. U do not think theBOE listen to much but they ran around making U think they we .
Who is Kit Carson?
This Board KNEW the desires of this community but decided to defy it. Shame on them and shame on me for wasting 3 hours of my Saturday morning FOR NOTHING. Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me. I am so disappointed in this decision. Never Again.
9:12 Kit Carson was an real 1800 frontier hero. In the 1950's their was a western show by that name. He and his sidekick Toro cleaned up the west of bad guys back in TV land then.
1:19 I don't think they will ever experiment like this again. Good intentions with not the results they expected.
8:56 After watching this for the last month I believe you are right.
The answer is probably to have a mayor. That way the people can vote them in or out, and they have to answer to the people. With the current council in place, headed by Joe Hada, I do not see anything changing no matter who is the city manager. I really hope I am wrong, but the attitude of this city towards its citizens is deplorable. The maturity and morality levels of some of the people who are in charge of and help run this city is disgusting. I don't see Gurley being made to leave, or anything else positive happening. Again, I hope I am wrong, but without the city manager being the one who can run the show and clean things up, I think we are in a losing battle. Of course, there is always the chance of electing a bad mayor but, for example, with Rita McMahon, our last city manager, the people could have voted that piece of work out of office before she added to the horrible atmosphere and bad attitude of the city department heads, etc., towards the citizens, and before she ruined our city in every way possible with the help of council. So the question is, should we be looking to change to a mayoral form of government here? Opinions, please.
4:11 It present voting trends hold true. Joe Hada (1700votes) would be our Mayor and Joe Gurley would still be law director.
Watch a council meeting and you will understand where city employees get this deplorable attitude from.
They all think there Mini Joe's.
To Term 4:19, this is 4:11.
HOLY CRAP! I hadn't even considered that Hada would be in the running. And I wouldn't want any other council person or department head (or worker that I know of)getting elected as mayor, either. So that's it, then. With such horrible, abusive, immoral people running this city, there really isn't any quick way out. The only way is to get new people in council, and getting people elected that are not Joe Hada yes-people, is a difficult task. Do you know who is going to be running, at least so far? What about Murphy...is he in?
Again, dang it. I hadn't thought of that horrible thought. Joe Hada, Mayor. So that shoots that idea right in the $a&&s.
10:07 Be careful of that you wish for.
I don't know why you bother. As I viewed Mondays council meeting. You were addressed and went to the podium. A minute or so into your questions the Fire Chief interrupted you. He made his comment, then when you addressed him back council-president Hada scolded you not the chief?
I know 10 year olds that run a meeting better than Joe does and this is not the first time I have seen him do this to not only you but many others.
To the other council members you look like frighten children never to address this practice.
8:56 I am in complete agreement with you the board members took us all for a ride. they did put on quite a show!
I would like have seen Kate Jenkins try for CM position. She has the formal training as I see it and from conversation I have had with her she has a good working knowledge. Of the city. Also she is nobody's yes person. Maybe we need a person with a young mind that has not been wrecked by the good old Boys.
To 1:30, I am very disappointed in Katie Jenkins and will not be voting for her again. She is in the good ole' boy network, watch the council meetings and learn.
I think Hada endorsed Kate Jenkins, didn't he? I wouldn't want anyone in charge of anything in this city that Hada endorses. I have never seen that turn out well.
1:30 are you Katie's dad? I agree with the other comments about Katie. Hada endorsed her. Red Flag. She pretty much goes along with the Hada-ites on council. Red Flag. She is a "yes" man. When it comes to sucking up to Hada and the rest of the administration. CM? What a joke that would have been.
I think Katie will have a hard time being reelected to council. It hasn't taken us long to see through her. Just like Werner, fool us once maybe, but not twice. Goodbye, Katie.
you, on council this term, went to all that trouble to get elected and all you do is look to JOE HADA for direction. don't you have any grit or stance for your own mind? open your mouth and say, something, anything, but say something, instead of HADA, doing all the talking.if, I, was a council person, you had better believe i would be questioning anything and everything that i didn't understand or thought was right. all you do is sit there and look from one end to the other of the council table, shame on you all.the people of this city elected you to just sit there and look at your papers and be silent. A VERY DEPRESSED CITIZEN
You want to know why I wouldn't elect Katie again? It's simple just go to her facebook page. Can we get any more childish?
Good day, the statement above about Katie being cm is not my posting although I do agree with the posting. Being her father I know many things about her that the nay say posters do not know. She is nobody's yes person. She has disagree with Mr.Hada, but you will not see that at a meeting unless she votes against him,which she has done. In addressing issues the preident is the spokes person. The others have to set and let him speak. She is not a warner,as she is involved and he just did not get it. Like anything else you pick your battles and let the rest go by,.. I do not know o a person that called with a rear problem she has taken care of it. Being around her I see this first hand while the rest of you only have your opinion not many facts. But you do what you want ,but I think she is doing great for her first time, and will give her another chance. We do need to get young mind involved to get this town in to better shape. They have the energy to keep up.
Sign Donald M Howlett, a proud father of both my daughters
I second the "good riddance to Werner" sentiment. And may Hada and the rest of his buddies find the door hitting them in the butts, too.
I too am disappointed in Katie Howlett Jenkins. I will never vote for her to represent me again. She may have good intentions but is way too IMMATURE. You're right 12:31 her facebook page is totally inappropriate. Complaining about her job, telling the world about her husband yelling at her, talking about the bar where she hangs out is way TOO much information for me. Grow up already or move over.
I just went and looked, and katie's page is private - so my guess is you're making this up. Also, it's not a political page. It's her PERSONAL facebook. And given that she became pregnant probably sometime last April, I'm guessing she hasn't been "hanging out" at any bars during at least the majority of her time on Council. Do you never complain about your job? Has she ever complained about Council? Or said anything negative about Painesville? Does she use the page in a way that is different than any other person on that site? My guess is you complain about your job and talk about places you go to, no?
Hmmm. Those of you commenting on her facebook page just lost ALL CREDIBILITY. I just went to her page and scrolled back through the last year and a half. Never once said her husband yelled at her and hasn't mentioned hanging out at bars. I'm done reading this page. When you don't have real news, you just make it up. I also have watched council meetings where she and Hada voted opposite ways. You all need to grow up and do something other than whine on a blog....anonymously.
Those of you posting about Katie Jenkins facebook page have lost all credibility. I just went through her posts for the past year and a half and found no mentions of bars (other than having dinner) or her husband yelling at her. When you don't have any real news, you make stuff up. Now I know to not trust anything you say. I'm done with this blog as of today. Don't bother responding, because I am not reading it. Oh, and maybe you should all grow up and do something other than post to this blog...ANONYMOUSLY.
Well DEPRESSED CITIZEN-will you be running for council? Time to put your money where your mouth is. Any takers for Mr. Flocks ward while I'm at it?
Well I now chime in my two cents. Look this all started with a comment that Katie would make a good city manager. Then the other comments good and bad come in. 8:05/8:09 would you have prefer I censor those comments?
Look in the real world getting 55% of the vote is considered outstanding. Your never going to make everyone happy.
I am not a follower of facebook My daughter showed me her page. I really don't grasp the reason for facebook.
That said when she was at the house the other night I did not notice anything that I would call inappropriate. I hope this wasn't brought up over a butt being like a smashed pumpkin?
Young people see social media entirely different the older people do.
Mr. Howlett I understand you completely for standing up for your daughter. She alone decided to play in the sandbox with the big kids, she seems to handle herself pretty good. It comes with the turf.
I don't believe she is being intimidated by anyone me included. She emailed me once and called me antagonistic! Me... I've known this child since she was in the third grade.
Look I have heard from others she always answers their questions or tries to find out answers to the best of her ability.
Does the administration respect her? I have to ask who does the present administration respect?
We have had over thirty years of poor management .Please don't expect anyone to turn it around in two years.
11:48 I have to agree with your thought.
If we all could run for council Anonymously?
Run for council? Seriously? It's all about the machine and if you're not on the machine you're steam rolled. Asked others who have run.
So Katie what about the city's budget? What about the roads? Had any thoughts on power or how about the bill CORE ran up? Did you vote for that?
Glad your Dad posted but how about a response from you?
Yes, you are right, Term. We have had over thirty years of poor management. And I will add disrespect and abuse of the citizens during all that time, too, unless you are "in" with Hada. And to 11:48, I second your opinion on Flock. He's got a sick little passive-aggressive streak under that quiet, kind exterior. And good luck actually getting help from him. He's the one that keeps running to be our council person, so he needs to step up and do the job finally after all these years. BUT, having said that, he is the only council person that is not Hada-approved, so he is our only hope right now. I do see some improvement with him lately, so let's hope that continues. Let's get the Hada-ites (isn't that what a previous blogger called them?) out first, then worry about Flock. Until then, he's the best we've got. A little note for Mr. Flock, though, before I sign off...you're the one that keeps taking the job...
And, Term, don't stick up for him this time. You always do, and unless he's your council person that you are counting on, you don't know what the people in his ward are up against. But again, I want to say that he's the best we've got, so let's keep him until there is someone better. At this point, without him being the only one that is not with Hada, we'd have no hope at all.
1:31 I share your views. It seems so odd to me that when the administration wants to spend money on something some how they find the money? Council didn't even question it.
This council seems to be a members only club.
John Murphy has told me he will run for the January 3rd seat I wonder how long everyone else will keep there date secret? I believe he threw the gauntlet down to Joe Hada and while no one else has announced a date he has.
I don't know if anyone else noticed how many on council have a connection to the schools? or county government?
Sorry 4:03 doesn't loyalty count for anything to you?
This is 4:03 to Term.
Yes, it does. But if you take the job, that means that you have to help the people in your ward. And he mostly does not. Just ask the people in his ward. But again, I will say, he's the best we've got, so until Hada and all his people are out, if he's the only one not in with Hada, I will keep voting for him.
So glad to hear that Murphy is running. Thanks, John. Here's a tip we all need to remember. If Hada and his people endorse the person, don't vote for them. If Hada and his people don't want the person, then that is the person you need to vote for. In years past, they told lies about Murphy at the final hour to make sure he did not win. So watch out for that, and make sure you vote for Murphy anyway. I am begging everyone to please vote for Murphy.
Term, whose seat is that that he is running for?
4:53 I have a pretty good idea who you are and as much as I respect you this comment makes little sense to me.
Andy's the best we got for now?
Tell me how many council meeting have you attended? How much have you gone out of your way to help him?
Look you can complain all you want, even find someone to run against him.
I seem to remember another councilman you backed and how did that work out?
Look he's only one person and somehow you believe he can change everything?
Does he make mistakes? Sure who doesn't.
This is 4:53. First of all, many comments come on this board about Flock and they are not all from one person, because I don't write the vast majority of them, and I have actually stood up for him a couple of times.
Again, Term, unless you are in his ward, then I don't believe you have the right to tell the people of his ward how to feel and act. Every time someone writes something against him, you stick up for him. If anyone got any results, all those comments would not keep popping up about him.
11:39 I do. With that said the council people represent all residents.
Well some people expect a gunfighter to go out against 6 other gunfighters and win every shoot out. That only happens in the movie's and never at a council meeting.
I haven't totally and complelely realized what Flock is up against with the rest of council and the department heads, etc., until recently, and it's a lot. A lot. But it's more than that, and you need to quit discounting the complaints against him. Those are one on one complaints from people in his ward, and it has been going on since he first took office. He doesn't have the respect for the people like he pretends to, and that manifests itself in many ways. Having said all of that, I would still vote for him because he is the best we've got right now, and it's important that he is retained in office.
6:15 I don't quite understand what you want? Pretend? I have never seen him pretend. Maybe intolerable of people no matter what he does it just ain't good enough. Like in your case. How many council ,meeting do you attend and ask for results from the other six? Andy will stay on council as long as people re-elect him. No signs, rulers, campaign dinners, contributions, just him. If and when Ward I decides they want to go in a different he will understand. Take his plaque and enjoy the rest of his life.
This is 5:28. Let it go. You have no idea what I am talking about, and you never will. He does not have the respect of most of the people in his ward, because he does not respect them enough to do his job when they need his help. He wins because nobody runs against him, and because I, for one, will vote for him as long as he is the only one that is not on Hada's team. This all started because one or two people complained about him again, and again you discounted their complaints. They have the right to complain. He is not your council person, so let it go. I was warned when I moved here by a wonderful woman who was a city activist when I first had a problem with this city that he would not help, and all these years later, nothing changes. Even when you think he is, then he comes through with disrespect and his passive-agressive games, and he always drops the ball. He is the one who keeps running, which means it's his job to help people whether he wants to or not; he's supposed to just do what is right. Let it go. You are not in his ward, and you have no idea what you, or the people of his ward, are talking about. And I'm not so sure I'm who you think I am, either. Let it go. I know you are his friend, but unless you are in his ward, it's none of your business. Those people have the right to complain, and I understand their complaints. That is what I said, and that is what I mean.
You just don't get it do you? The truck is a done deal SO build a bridge and get over it. MOVE ON.
Council approved it unanimously. That meand your good bud was also part of this. It's done stick a fork in it and move on.
1:54 Lets do this for the last time.
You know he doesn't have the respect of the people in his ward. You know this how?
This all started because people complained? So I can't throw my 2 cents in?
I do not like him, find him inadequate. but you continue to vote for him?
Now lets get to what I believe is your major flaw.
First I tell you I live in Ward I and you tell me I don't. What reason would I have to lie to you?
Check with the Board of Elections I am a resident of Ward I. I guess it just doesn't fit your narrative? This may be your whole problem when someone tells you something you don't agree with well it must not be true.
I guess living in the same ward as you I can complain about you!
6:32 All I can ask you is "what could possibly go wrong?"
Lets hope nothing. If you don't believe my good bud can't make mistakes read 1:54
To Term 7:08. This is 1:54. You never told me that you live in Ward I. Certainly if you said you lived in Ward I, I would have no reason not to believe you. So you can take that whole line of your criticism of me and stuff it. Yes, I do know that many people in Flock's ward have no respect for him, because he does not do his job. How do I know? I talk to people, I know people, people have been talking about it in my neighborhood and in the rest of his ward for somewhere around two decades now. It has nothing to do with what he can and cannot accomplish in the whole city. I don't think anyone expects him to be able to fix an entire city that is out of control all by himself. They have no respect for him based on what he does and does not do for them when they have a problem...you know, the kind of problem that you are supposed to be able to call your council person about. He wins because nobody runs against him. And no, you cannot complain about me...not even close to the same thing. I have not taken a job running this city and supposedly helping the citizens in my ward that I then do not do. We can keep going if you want. I will not run out of criticism for him, so you can keep it going, and it won't bother me. And I stand by my statement that if people in his ward want to complain about him not doing his job, then they have the right to say it, and just because he is your friend, and you do not agree with it does not make it untrue. Oh, and I stand corrected; I just went back and checked, and on May 16 at 3:30 you said "I do." I had no idea what that meant. If that meant that you do live in ward I, I missed it...ever hear of speaking in complete sentences so people can understand what you are saying? At any rate, when people complain about him, you should just let it go. When you fight it, it just makes more of the truth come out. He has refused to help the citizens in his Ward since he took the job. Everybody seems to know that besides you. Ahhh, love is blind, as they say.
8:50 Ahhh, so must be your eye site, as they say.
Name one person in Ward I he has refused to help?
Instead, let's have Flock list all the people in his Ward that he has helped from start to finish in his twenty or so years of having the job. And I'll give you the first name of community activist Venita Waters. She had been trying to get him to help this neighborhodd for a long time before I got here. When I started to have problems with the city, she informed me that Flock was my council person, but that I could forget about him, because he wouldn't help anyone with anything. I thought maybe it was an overstatement, so I tried and tried myself. It was not an overstatement, and anyone who knew Venita knows what a wonderful person and good citizen that she was. And he never has all these years later. Plus he plays sick games with people.
You don't know when to drop something. Again I will say, when people complain about him on this blog, you should just let them do it, instead of shutting them down everytime. They have legitimate complaints, and they know what they are talking about. That's what I was standing up for. But since you want to continue, let's see that list from Flock.
Another thing that is really funny is that you keep saying that Flock keeps winning without campaigning, ("... not even a ruler..." but the truth is that he is running unopposed!! And that is why he doesn't need to campaign. Just a minor piece of information left off there, eh?
3:00 I have let you complain all you want. Just so you know your complaining is not gospel. You now have thrown another name Venita Waters, what's your name? It would be so much easier to go to a council meeting or a Ward I town hall meeting? Your voice must be heard. Running unopposed? Run against him. I will be the first one to donate to your campaign. Can we give this a rest?
Venita Waters? The bus driver? I believe she passed away, years ago, several years ago?
Since we are on the Flockwagon pedestal and he just cant seem to be de-throned, how many committees is he on? The city has various committees and council president appoints council members to different committees. I would like to know how many and what committees he is on. Anybody? Not just Term cause his answer will just be - ask him yourself.
8:06 In his own words the housing task force. He was unaware of any others.
Many years Flock was asked to "get in the loop" Thankfully he declined. Ever wonder why he has never been council-president or vice-president? Not in the loop.
Open season on Flock go for it. He's the problem?
I think we all know the problem with the city. Council does not want to do their duty. This will be different, with new manager, along with murphy on council. COUNCIL is to SERVE the resident's.
How can you NOT know you are on a committee? Council president appoints them, where was he at the time? Doesn't he read? Is anyone else unaware they have been appointed to a committee and never showed up when they are supposed to? How does this happen?
It is not in the city charter that a council person has to serve on a committee?
So if a person doesn't want to be in the 'loop' so be it.
Run against him.
He is also appointed to the safety committee and never attends. Perhaps he would have had more information about that truck you keep complaining about had he attended that meeting.
5:50 Lets hope that fire truck doesn't come back to bite him and the other six in the a^%?
Really what could go wrong?
I remember when councilman Fodor asked if the truck would fit inside the station. Well truth be told it can. BUT at the expense of a EMS truck won't fit where our present aerial and one presently fits.
Then put-up, shut-up and build this city a new fire station. Build 2 one for the North end and one for the South end. Every thing will have a place and everyone will be happy except you.
3:53 I am happy... I could care where the park. Seems the Township already houses some equipment.
I have been told we have excellent Administrators, Department Heads, and Council People to do that thinking for us? Take this issue up with them.
You SHOULD care. When the Cedarbrook development has a disaster because it can't be reached...Then what? Or maybe you are one of these people who just sit back and say "It'll never happen to me". Besides I don't pay my taxes to Concord or the Township I pay them to this city and I want city coverage. Given the alternative to either let my house burn while PC firefighters are carting minor injuries to TriPoint and back all day or have another responder I guess I'll have to take the other department. It's just a shame no one has a solution to this TriPoint band-aid dilema.
7:56 Your a FD MOM In the past years or more never has council proposed a fire station south of the NS railroad tracks. There was a discussion on a shared fire station with Concord in the area of old 44 and 84? But nothing became of that. In the latest safety levy nothing was mentioned about a new fire station.
On another note if your house is on fire or someone in your family needs medical attention, do you really care what name is on the fire truck or E.M.S. unit?
This situation was brought up in the past and it seems the BOE as well as the city seem 'comfortable'
with now three schools in the area you are talking about. I agree with you I am not.
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