"SWEET CAROLINE" neil diamond
Recently Penn State took Sweet Caroline off the play list at football games? As if that would solve anything. "Touching you, touching me." Now get over it and lets move on ?
Yesterday I was looking into a poster claim that the new Principal at Harvey was running into alot of flack from Dr. Hanlon. People I spoke with told me everything was fine. The new Principal is fitting in and the staff is behind him 100%.
In the process of looking into this I believe I stumbled into something far worse.
All I can tell tell you presently is I am disgusted with what I heard and if this is true you will also feel the same way.
I don't believe there is a rug large enough to hide this from the public and if the facts are true impossible.
The saddest of this incident are the innocent victims first and foremost. We as a society value people we put in trust.
Then there are also innocent victims that are only guilty by association, who possible will never be looked at the same way again.
As a former Harvey Alumni I only pray that this rumor is false along with no Mike McQueary, or Graham Spanier or anyone else that might of had knowledge of this alleged crime.
posted by terminator1 @ 7:03 AM
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68 Comments:
why would you even bring this up if you are not ready to post it now you have the whole world taking guesses. I wear glasses and can not read the word at the end of this
Are the police investigating? If not, do they need to be?
Best to get this investigated quickly and get the person away from children ASAP. If proven to be false, then so be it, but in the meantime err on the side of safety for the kids.
I am the original poster of the HHS information. Yes the principal is fantastic. Halls are quiet, there have been suspensions as needed. The school is a school, no longer a zoo. BUT...the principal and the PHD have gone head to head over discipline and suspension.
The PHD says you will do it my way and the principal said fine then start my paperwork up. Of course, the PHD will deny this, always does at the boe meetings. Word heard - too many suspensions and you WILL NOT suspend the minorities. Now where would one find those statistics? I believe the American Caucasians by now should be the minorities but I don't think he is referring to them.
Feel free to keep this confidential till more comes to the surface. Hanlon needs to go.
8:39 This was my way to tell you to get prepared for what's coming. Don't stand to close to the tracks because a train is coming.
I hope it's not true.
Someone posted about a position and I really don't feel comfortable about mentioning a position as it. Repost and leave the allegations on the position out of it.
1:51 I didn't hear that.
12:19 they are.
The time has come......
And how do we do this? We have talked to the board, we elected Mr Grippi and other new board members, we attended board meetings, we talked to Hanlon one on one. I agree Hanlon has to go, we have to turn the schools around. We need to support the new principal at HHS. Can we possibly band with the teachers? It has been more than frustrating watching this school system deteriorate since Hanlons arrival. if you own your home and watched the value plummet get to a board meeting!
Can we please come up with some constructive ideas to accomplish this?
4:59 Even if I agree with you, let me play devil's advocate now. How will we know that replacing Dr. Hanlon is the cure?
Look at the test scores since Hanlon has taken the helm. Start looking into the decline in the school systems standing, look at the need for the 50% grading policy. What administrator in their right mind would think that would benefit college bound students?
Hanlon blames the student population for low test scores. He claims he can educate only what he is given. He thought so little of my daughters graduating class his parting words were a country western song. That was the best he could do. He is not a creative thinker and he has little rapport with parents and guardians...... And apparently teachers and principals.
Look back to past super's they seemed to figure out.
As a teacher in the MS, I can tell you....by replacing the top 2, suspensions would not get overturned that had no business being overturned. We need ADM that is truly concerned about turning things around. If they were, they wouldn't care how many suspensions there are....they would quickly learn the lesson that we are here to learn. Yes, there would be lots of suspensions in the short term, but they would diminish as word gets out that the new ADM means business.....just a thought....
Term,
I see you will not post my comments.
When I see you I will provide you with a document of proof. Hanlon has ruined our school system.
To the Annonymous poster who wished I not continue with "Sweet Caroline". I will respect your wish not to make your comments public. Not for the reason of a levy passing. That makes no sense to me?
If there is an arrest made it then becomes public knowledge. Then what happens to the levy?
I have mentioned the word "alleged" as to not place blame. Only to let the powers that be, knowledge that people are watching. No rug broom practice this time.
6:07 It would surprise you the number of times an attempt to sabatoge this blog. has happened. Sorry, no disrespect but I will not print a persons name or position on an anooymous poster.
word. You have proof fine, then we can go to the next step.
9:28 Things must have changed even more than I thought. What reason would an administration have for overturning a suspension? Paperwork, fear of parents?
You would think they would be on your side?
They overturn suspension due to intimidation from parents, and the fact that suspensions count against some of our data on the state report card... We are in the 99th percentile in suspensions compared to other districts in th state....just curious info....
Heritager, who do they think they're fooling? 99% thats not good.
If you don't make the parents resposible who in anyway will things get better?
The mantra given to us is..."we can't change their home life, so we have to work with what we are given".... I don't buy into this, as I feel we have evolved into an entitlement, no expectations society. Ask the troubles with the new lunch program, where some kids who were free, now have to pay because in the past, everyone got it free because that's how we did it....God forbid, you actually have to pay for your lunch if you qualify....
We won't raise test scores until we are truly about education and deal with the bad apples, period. Suspend them, get them out of the learning environment , and somehow hold the parents responsible, all while reiterating why we are here ....for an education, and suspension numbers be damned. If you screw up, you pay the consequences. The Painesville PD who pulls me over for speeding doesn't care if I am on an IEP, have anger issues, can't speak English, or am a fighter. I sped, I pay the consequences....I wish those at 58 Jefferson St. had the same no nonsense approach...it could be done, and the community would get behind all of them.....but will they...doubtful....
Some claim the school system has gone down since Hanlon arrived, maybe since Delamonte and Horvath announced us as a sanctuary city?, maybe since the county figured out our City council has no gonads and would put up with 50% of Lake County low income and almost all of the services for them?.
There are a lot of forces playing out in this city. And as long as we are 81% Democrat bleeding heart liberals and believe that others shouldn't be held responsible for their actions this city will continue to deteriorate.
Do you think you, and you alone can make a difference with these suspensions? This has been going on for many years and I don't see it stopping just because you exposed it. It has been brought up before in past posts and not much of a fuss was made before, why now? The district, Hanlon and the Bd of Ed doesn't want a black eye over this. Don't you think the elected board knows all this? They must approve as nothing has changed about it.
Oh I still have an effect in the classroom ...that's why I chose the profession. I just think that the tail is wagging the dog. I make a difference in our community each day, and that's why I love my job. I just wish that students who truly do not want to be there but put in a more restrictive environment commensurate to their behavior. This does not happen. I don't have many issues with classroom management, but some teachers do because of these students. They CAN learn, but choose not to. That's all I am saying....and it could be changed easily if they really wanted to....
Heritager, I agree 100% with you. Excuses don't work in the real world. Your question should be, what do you expect be to do with what's given to me?
Now I checked PCLS has a very high suspenison and expulsion rate? How is it that some of you tell me the parents are running the board offices?
2:31n Trying to bait me? Delamonte, Fountain,Werner were all former Republican's on council.
Presently, DiNallo, Hach and DeLeone are all Republicans odd 81% of this city votes for Republicans and you blame "bleeding hear Liberials"?
5:55 You're probably right but no one should have to work in the enviroment some of you picture to me. Atleast it will be out in the open, and if some of you don't want to put yourselves front and center expect more of the same abuse. I've been told some of the issues raised here are bogus and all complaints are coming from one or two people. That's probably how BOE members will view it.
To the anoymous poster I knew about everthing except the first.
2:31: I am a Democrat, and not once in my life did I think that people should not be held accountable for what they do, and that includes children. I also do not know one other Democrat that does not think the same as I do, so blaming this on Democrats is ludicrous.
Do we have an alternative school for kids who aren't making it--for whatever reason--in the regular school system? If not, why not? But, do we?
It sounds like there are troublemakers making too much trouble in this school and, I for one, do not think that kids should just be "cut loose." If there is not an alternative school, then there needs to be-- where kids can get more individualized help to try to get them to calm down, conform enough to learn and get diplomas. None of us win if the troublemakers are left in the main stream schools, or if they are let go with no hope of a future in their minds. When they grow up enough to get the picture, they need an open door ahead of them.
There is an alternative school in Willoughby, the same school the Chardon shooter attended. It's the only "alternative" high school setting that I can think of in Lake County. I agree with 7:40, we can't just cut them loose and forget about them. The problem with suspensions is that they want to sit at home and play games, so they act up to get suspended-hence the push to not suspend.
An alternative needs to be created in order to help solve some problems.
Yes, there are alternative schools. One in the St.Marys school
is that Summet Academy. We had Lake Academy in Victoria Place, is it still there? Then there is the one in Willoughby, the name escapes me. It it the one TJ Lane attended.
But the questions are:1. What is the criteria to attend.
2. Who pays for it. Keep in mind when a district looses a student, they loose funding. Now times that by the may suspended all the time in Painesville and that adds up to a huge loss.
Why do you think they keep harboring the illegals?
TERM, you are mistaken. Delamotte was a democrat all those years on council. She did change near the end of her term but only so she could voter for her Republican friend in the primary. But make no bones, she is democrat. And Hach? Check again. He is no registered Republican.
9:20 What was she when she made here statement, and presently is employed by a Republican office holder [her friend]. Nothing wrong with that.
DiNallo and Hach both went to Washington D.C. to participate in what?
My point was to that poster that our city government is not controled by 81% Democrats.
At Art in the Park Paul Hach was sporting a vote for Lori Dinallo golf shirt that seemed like a highly political statement for that venue.
6:05 It's a free country if he wants to wear that shirt that's his business.
She was a democrat when she went on fox news
Sure she was! Hallalujeh she seen the light. Sorry not buying.
What was she when she signed the AMP-OHIO contracts? Nevermind.
Term, regarding the rumor you heard at HHS, the truth should come out soon. I hope and pray the BOE doesn't try to sweep it under the rug.
2:47 Can't sweep this under a rug.
Plan on seeing something in the N/H in the next couple of days. Remember these are only allegations. The person is innocent until proven guilty.
Have received numerous comments on who is missing today at HHS.
Hoping the rumor isn't true. In hearing about the rumor, other incidents have been talked about also. Why? Why hasn't any action been taken in the past. I guess that is where the comment "Sweeping it under the rug" comes in play. I am hopeful that all who knew will also be held accountable. This saddens me to know we are not doing more to protect the children in our schools. In the world we live more and more of this is being seen as normal. It is not! Such incidents mare the futures of the children involved. We need administrators, staff, teachers, coaches and parents to stand up and be leaders to the youth around us. Co dependency on alcohol and drugs, exhibiting unethical behaviors is not the model I want my children to follow!
5:56 This takes us back to the
70's. Who knew what, and when.
Many in Painesville may wish things like this would be sweeped under the rug. { your hurting the city, schools why point out a black eye?] Remember Painesville not the only place this happens made communities try to do exactly the same thing.
The person that you are talking about has a big shot lawyer for a daddy, so you might not see anything about it anywhere.
6:48 Yes, but someone is going to have to explain why this person is presently on paid leave,right?
No ones got this big of a rug.
6:48 Dr. Hanlon has released a statement it is presently on the News-Herald web site.
School board in Executive Session tonight.
By Matthew Skrajner
MSkrajner@News-Herald.com
@MattNewsHerald
The assistant principal at Harvey High School in the Painesville City School District has been placed on leave pending an investigation.
David Klingenberg, 36, was placed on paid administrative leave Friday morning, said Painesville Schools Superintendent Michael P. Hanlon.
Hanlon would not comment on what specifically caused Klingenberg to be placed on leave but said the district was investigating “compliance with board policy.”
Hanlon also said that he is only involved with the district’s investigation and could not say whether or not police were involved.
The district is determining whether it needs to name a replacement for Klingenberg, and Hanlon did not know how long the investigation may take.
“I hope to resolve the issue as quickly as possible,” Hanlon said.
Klingenberg could not be reached for comment.
PEOPLE AT THE FOOTBALL GAME IN KIRTLAND SAW THE POLICE, ASK THEM
What about all the other dirt that has been swept under the rug? Here's one for you, spoke with a person today that told of the head of the dining service embezzling money from the cafeteria snack funds. She was given the choice to resign or be prosecuted. Really? Is Painesville so loaded they don't have to make her pay restitution? I guess they don't need a levy then either?
OMG! He was a huge supporter of the ELL and the Hispanics. Is this the start of something good?
I say don't hire a replacement why he is on PAID leave and cost the tax payers more money. Send some administrators from the top heavy board office over to fill in at the high school until this issue is resolved.
1:18 I checked this out and I was told the same story. Resign or face the music.
1:19 No joy nothing good to be happy about. Sorry.
1:26 That's an idea.
How can you commit a federal offense and not be prosecuted? Smells like cover up to me!!!!
Finally, nice comment but I'm not printing those names here. O.K.
About the lunch lady. she would have a fit when the principles closed the down the snack line because of kid's behavior. I wonder if this is why.
The migration of the illegals as a good start, no sheltering, harboring or protecting them. Nothing else was meant to be good but them leaving and allowing our city to become what it once was.
Not certain what happened, but doesn't the district sponsor a house where PCLs employees live with at risk Painesville youth?
What's the difference?
Term, five years ago another teacher was asked to leave. He went off into the sunset with his pregnant student girlfriend and the BOE swept it under the rug. Incidents such as this do reflect poorly on Painesville, but it seems to be a trend everywhere. What will be a worse reflection is if the BOE doesn't take this very seriously.
5:55 The lunch lady is history.
Bien I have no way of thinking anything is related here, THe people left and they ain't coming back.
PSLC runs a home for homeless students. This is the tragedy of all this everyone now gets painted with the same brush.
10:20 I have the belief that the BOE will take this very seriously.
IN TODAYS PAPER.....
By Matthew Skrajner
MSkrajner@News-Herald.com
@MattNewsHerald
The assistant principal at Harvey High School in the Painesville School District is being investigated for possible misconduct involving a student.
David Klingenberg, 36, was placed on paid administrative leave Friday morning, said Painesville Schools Superintendent Michael P. Hanlon.
Hanlon said in a media release that Painesville Police and the district are investigating whether Klingenberg “violated the policy we have in place regarding the maintenance of proper boundaries with our students.”
According to the release, Hanlon learned about the possible violation on Thursday and placed Klingenberg on leave Friday immediately after confronting him.
Hanlon said the district will cooperate fully with the police investigation.
The district is determining whether it needs to name a replacement for Klingenberg, and Hanlon did not know how long the investigation may take.
“I hope to resolve the issue as quickly as possible,” Hanlon said.
Klingenberg could not be reached for comment.
The superintendent would not say what specifically caused Klingenberg to be placed on leave.
“At this time, I’m not at liberty to provide more information,” he said in the release. “However, nothing is more important than the safety and security of the students in our care. We will not tolerate behavior that jeopardizes the trust the community and our students place in us.”
My question is why on the PCLS website it says the police have been investigating since May 2011 and the school only found out last week? If charges are filed or not I find it hard to believe Klingenberg will be back with all this wonderful press. Half of the comments have him guilty despite not knowing what he has suppose to have done. Lunch lady is gone so is the former teacher and his student bride!
According to the News Herald, the police investigation began in May 2011. Hanlon has his head up his you-know-what and needs to go.
I hope "someone" will continue to investigate more, there is not just one person involved. Why do you think it's called "the good ole boys club"?
Wow ... don't know the ins and outs of this.
PAINESVILLE is reaching Galion levels for one of the most dysfunctional communities in the state.
You need a major police scandal with civil rights violations though... state take over and fiscal emergency.
Ironic last year at an away football game, a school board member slapped a Galion Student .. she did not like her language .. swept under the rug .. poor kid did not have cell phone video of it.
Hanlon can PRETEND he didn't know a year ago! HANLON KNEW,WARD KNEW,MARTIN KNEW,DEANGELIS KNEW!!!
They should ALLLLL be held accountable!!!!!!
JUST CUT THE HEAD OFF THE SNAKE PHD IS NOT DOING HIS JOB WAKE UP. THE BOE. IS NOT DOING THERE JOB!!
GET THEM OUT TO PAINESVILLE PEOPLE YOU BETTER WAKE UP!!! AND IT IS TRUE ABOUT THE LADY AND THE SNACKS
Thank you Anonymous 6:24 am - I could not have said it any better. They all knew 5 years ago too. That guy walked away with a lost teaching career and now has a baby with a former student. I can personally say that I've called and brought this situation up to administration in the past. I did not have first hand knowledge, but the rumors were enough to make me speak up.
Hanlon needs to go - and it's up to this community to demand accountability.
wake up p ville you all look bad phd knows all about and so does all the staff aqnd all they care about is the money ther is so mutch stuff going on in the schools we dont know about from lunch lady to phd to student bride and drinking driving school van the list is to long wake up get rid of board they aloud phd and all this stuff where is are state reps.they want to be hired they are not doing there jobs!!!!!
painesville you look very bad!!!!!!!!!!!!! good luck with your levy if it passes that lets all know how stupid p ville is
phd must GO
IN TODAYS PAPER (FRIDAY)
By News-Herald staff
Editor@News-Herald.com
@NHCrimeandFire
A recently suspended Harvey High School assistant principal has been under investigation by the Painesville Police since 2011.
David Klingenberg was placed on paid administrative leave on Friday morning, the day after the district learned about a police investigation that began in May 2011, said Painesville Schools Superintendent Michael P. Hanlon.
“We are investigating the matter further and also are cooperating with the police on their own investigation,” Hanlon said in a media release.
In a previous release, Hanlon said that an investigation was underway to determine whether Klingenberg “violated the policy we have in place regarding the maintenance of proper boundaries with our students.”
The school board held an executive session meeting Wednesday night regarding personnel, but Hanlon said he could not talk about what was discussed at the meeting.
If Hanlon goes, who are they going to put in their? Whose next in line?
The citizens of Painesville need to ask for the removal of all administration that were in place when this happened. The two top ones at the BOE have more than been made aware of this situation as well as other concerns involving other faculty. When told they asked not to be informed and continued to promote these individuals to higher positions. There are even present Board members that had to be aware of these concerns.
Here's another interesting item.
There is a parapro in the elementary school that hasn't made it to work yet this year. Claims he has cancer. He looked GREAT at the Cleveland Air Show last week. So why has administration gone after this person as they did two female staff several years ago? Someone should ask!
Hopefully IF the board has any brains! They will go outside the city as NO ONE is qualified to run the buildings as a good principal let alone a super.
Then if the voters are smart they will elect ALL NEW board members.
There is more than 1 wrong person in this past scandal.
Shovel out the shack and put out the trash.
They ALL knew and must ALL be accountable!!! Painesville, wake up!!
I HEARD STARTING MONDAY SEP 10 ALL CLASSIFIED LOW LIFE STAFF MUST USE A TIME CLOCK THEY MOST MAKE A LOT OF MONEY?? BUT I BET YOU CANT TELL ME WHO DOES NOT?? THE TEACHERS!!!!
AND CERTIFIED BOE THEY LEAVE EARLY
ALOT!!!! I THINK NEWS CHANNEL 3 5 OR 8 NEED TO DO A LITTLE CHECKING !!! THIS IS WHAT THEY DO BEST!!. PHD HAS ALOT TO LEARN WHAT DO YOU THINK????????? SHOULD HE STAY OR SHOULD GO!!!!!!!!. LEVY??? I DONT THINK SO HOW BOUT IT BOARD DO YOU WANT TO DO YOUR JOB
Hey 904....
As someone who works at the MS, the time clocks have been in place since last year. The teachers don't have to use it because we are on salary. Although in the past, some have arrived with the kids. Time clocks don't bother me, as I put in the allotted day, and then some. It would be very illuminating to see who puts in what time....just an idea....
Five years ago, yes it happened and not only did the offending teacher lose his teaching certificate and a student graduated pregnant there was the loss of the offending teachers wife who was a wonderful teacher.
I personally went to Dr. Hanlon and was told it was handled. I asked him about the kids in both teachers class and friends od the student. What lessons were learned? What messages were sent to the student body. This is not about shaming someone it is about making ADULTS accountable to taxpayers,mstudents and good teachers. We as taxpayers have sent the message through re election that being morally bankrupt is OK .
When Dr. Hanlon recited a country western song at my daughter's commencement I was in shock. When I asked him if that was really the best he could do he said; Yes and defended his decision as something everyone in the class could understand...... I knew we were doomed.
How about the way it was presented to the classified. Emails sent out at about 2:25 on Friday afternoon. Informed these are in place and should be used Monday morning. WHAT? Training? A non-mandatory, (that translates to-you're not gonna get paid) takes place Monday after school. OK so, no pay but why the surprise and the expectation to know how to use the thing? It's not a time clock it's some type of IPad thingy on the wall. Also, it's only for time in and out. Not lunches or breaks. And thats too bad because if that were done there would be a large showing of us that do not get our lunches and breaks as we are supposed to. But no one really cares about that do they?
HPD YOU WHERE ASK TO LEAVE!!!. WILL THE BOARD MAKE YOU!!? BECAUSE WE KNOW YOU WILL NOT GO TILL THEY MAKE YOU!!!. VOTE VOTE VOTE!!! IAM GLAD I VOTED FOR THE ONLY ONE WHO SAID FIRE THE ------- THE REST OF THE BOARD LOOK OUT THE VOTES WILL NOT BE THERE FOR YOU!!!!!!!!!!!
HERITAGER
YOU ARE CORRECT ABOUT THE TIME CLOCKS A YR. AGO BUT THE PEOPLE SAID. THAT WAS NOT RIGHT TO MAKE SOME PEOPLE DO IT AND NOT OTHERS.
SALARY DOES NOT MEAN YOUR OTHER TEACHERS CAN COME IN LATE AND LEAVE OUT THE BACK DOOR WHEN THEY WANT!!! YOU ALL WORK FOR THE STATE CITY.ALL SHOULD USE TIME CLOCK IF YOU STAY AFTER YOU COULD DO THE SAME STUFF AT HOME!!!!GET A LIFE AND DONT TAKE IT WRONG!!!! THERE ARE GOOD TEACHERS!!!!! AND BAD!! AND SOME. STAY LATE AND USE SCHOOL ELEC.COMPUTERS HOW CAN SOME TEACHERS LEAVE WHEN THERE CONTRACT TIME IS UP?? ARE THEY BAD TEACHERS I DONT THINK SO. THEY DO JUST FINE THEY HAVE BEEN THERE FOR YEARS ALL IAM SAYING IS WHAT IS GOOD CLASSIFIED IS GOOD FOR CERTIFIED!!!
SALERY PEOPLE ARE NOT ANY BETTER THEN ANYBODY !!!!
We are all being punished because of a couple of people that came in late and left early all the time.
Instead of going after those few and firing them. But no, the good ones have to suffer for the bad ones. Stop catering to the lazy folks and let the good ones know they are appreciated.
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