"MESSAGE IN A BOTTLE' the police
The Painesville Oversight Committee has received this memo through freedom of information from the Painesville Police Department.
You can decide for yourselves if this is the procedure we want in place at Harvey.
From: Martin, Kimberly
Sent: Thursday, October 20,20111:45 PM
To: AA-Harvey All Staff
Cc: Hanlon, Michael; Ward, Denise
Subject: Communication with Administration
Dear Staff:
In a meeting with the SRO, it has come to our attention (Missy, Dave, and I) that teachers are calling, emailing, and reporting students to the SRO without first (or ever) reporting incidents to Dave, Missy or me. Please refer to the call list that has been shared in the past if you need assistance in your classroom. Remember, immediate disruptions should be directed by a phone call to Mrs. 0 (ISA), Val, Darlene, or an administrator as we all have walkie talkies and can be alerted to a classroom. Phone calls or emails directly to Officer Ponder do not properly keep us in the loop and we need to close that communication gap. Communication between teachers and SRO should not commonly occur (except on very rare occasions), and should occur only when directed first by an administrator. Remember, students are protected under FERPA, and ONLY directory information can be shared with individuals that are not PCLS employees.
Thanks for your cooperation.
Kim
Kimberly J. Martin
Principal, Thomas W. Harvey High School
200 W. Walnut St
Painesville, OH 44077
Office: (440) 392-5110
FAX: (440) 392-5149
kimberly.martin@pcls.net
Painesville Oty Schools –It’s aU about Learning!
www.pcls.net
In other Painesville City School news it has come to my attention Ross Grippi who was elected to the school board this past November has turned in his resignation. No reason was given.
posted by terminator1 @ 11:50 AM
67 Comments
67 Comments:
It's not about what we want, its about adherence to the procedures dictated by state and federal laws. Sounds like the principal is ensuring staff compliance to regulations.
Good job!!!!
So am I to believe that if a violent incident happens the first person notified should be an administrator? Rather than a professional that's trained in handling such incidents?
Please direct me to that state or federal law's your speaking of.
Sorry I can't agree.
I'm sad to see Mr. Grippi leave! He and Mrs. Martin both had great ideas/chemistery. I was looking foward for them to work to gether to better the Pvll. School system. I hope Mrs. Martin continues to work with her ideas and doesn't leave too.
The letter refers to "reports", which are administration issues to handle. Violent issues are obviously handled by the SRO officer.
Please read the letter again very carefully and then provide your opinion. I am so interested to read your view.
First off at the beginning of the year this policy was put into action to be able to cut down on the number of reports that were generated to the state by the SRO.
If the teachers are contacting the SRO then I would have to believe they feel that it is necessary and they are not getting the needed support from the administration.
I am very sorry to see that Ross left the board! I hope that we will learn the reason.
6:12 The memo refers to reports? I read it to mean the number of disruputions? I believe a teacher would only call the SRO if these disruptions could cause physical harm to a student or themselves.
Teachers are not calling the SRO over frivilous incidents.
Who cares how many reports are generated?
The amount of reports is not the issue, it's the reporting process which needs to be followed. What is wrong with you people? I know, your from the Grippi cloth, you make your own rules. See where that got him!!!!!
The reporting process? What administrator decides if you should call the SRO? [read the memo}
Please lets not sweep everything under a rug. Teachers are smart enough to know when a policemam is needed.
Yes I'm proud to be from Mr. Grippi's cloth,you make your own rules? Seems better than no rules?
What you should be concerned of is where this will get our students.
Your hopeless!!!!
If my child is injured at Harvey believe me I will bring this stupid memo to my attorney!
Totally irresponsible
Time for a new Principal, don't you think?
Who protects the student from other students?
What about their rights?
If I read this correctly. A teacher should call an administrator before they would call the police? God help Us!
7:28 I'm not hopeless?
Neither is Harvey.
It's seems what's seems to be happening is that to many of us want to pretend there isn't a problem.
Everyone in this community has a vested interest in the schools being as successful as they can be.
If you have a child you want the best possible education and if your a homeowner you want to be able to sell your property for what its worth.
Those of you who believe all Harvey needs is a little tweeking are wrong.
Parents need to show up at board meetings to help them set goals.
Harvey leads the county in suspension and expulsions
there trying to create the proper environment for learning for kids who want to be there and want to learn something.
Term, gosh darn it, your not hopeless after all!!
You are correct, now let's stop with all the drama and work with the administration to drive improvements for uou children, families, and our community.
First of all Administrators do not respond very fast or at all they always have an excuse.
Why was there nothing in the papers over the 75 students who rioted the halls of Harvey?
Ross Grippi was so mistreated that he said enough is enough! Furthermore, Hanlon lied in the papers, he was notified a week earlier of his leaving and why!
Painesville City Schools needs a house cleaning and a big stick!
Parents and homeowners need to take their school back.
4:02 No drama, I have spent my first day at Harvey Monday as a D.O.G.
Very interesting day. And again no drama.
I witnessed many good things and just a few bad things. I believe it would only be fair to discuss this with Ms. Martin before I reached a conclusion.
No riot in the hallways that's why it wasn't in the paper.
Ross Grippi mistreated? He is the one who has pyhsically, verbally, and emotionally hurt children over the years. Remember when he grabbed a student by the throat? Everyone in the community knows this and it's time we stand against this type of behavior.
I also agree that Hanlon must go!!!!! We have not held him accountable thus we are stuck in this rut as a school district. Who is willing to call for his job?HOw about you, Term?
Term
Do you intend on spending any days at the elementary and middle schools?
term's real response would be:
No, I really don't care about the little kids. Their not high profile enough. Plus their principals are _________.
You fill in the blank.
Just to clue some of you in....those reports that make it to the state are included in the disciplinary records....take the time to get on the state education site and check it out. It is very interesting reading. And for any of you that does not think there is a problem in the Painesville City schools...maybe you should try taking off those rose colored glasses and looking again.
REW,
Everyone knows there are problems. However, the problems will not go away until Hanlon goes away.
The data is fine and dandy. The question is what are you willing to do with it?
Talk was cheap 30 years ago and it's cheap today.
Unless you are working in that building, you really have no clue as to what takes place. There WAS a near riot about a month ago and let me tell you it was frightening. So, Anonymous (7:34) you are misinformed. You want to know who is really mistreated? THE TEACHERS!!!! They are totally disrespected by the students and by the administrators. Students are NOT held accountable for their actions. Administrators are inconsistent with discipline!!!!! One student gets punished for cutting class once, while another student cuts class 47 times without a consequence. Breaking the rules at Harvey is like going to Vegas. Just roll the dice and see what happens. Maybe I'll get caught this time....maybe I won't. The kids don't even know the rules. In fact, the administrators don't know the rules. I asked, "what is the consequence for being tardy to school multiple times?" The response from an administrator was, "It depends." It depends????? On what????? Does that make sense to anyone? How about having a rule in place and then discipline everyone the same? Hmmmm...That makes sense. I could give you a thousand examples of inconsistencies, but I'll end with just one. If a student gets kicked out of class for being disruptive, then they get sent to ISA. If they are unruly in ISA, then they get sent to an administrator. SOMETIMES and for SOME PEOPLE the student is then suspended, but for others they get to sit in an administrator's office and hang out and play on the computer. Does that sound fair to you?
And by the way, Anonymous (7:34) We've all stopped living in the past. Whatever Mr. Grippi did back in 1979 really doesn't matter to me anymore. He has done thousands of wonderful things for thousands of students over the years.
In the trenches
I saw a small glimpse of what teachers are dealing with at Harvey presently.
I'm glad you mentioned the near riot people were giving me to much credit for having a policeman in the building.
I am looking forward to having a talk with Ms. Martin in the near future.
Since my day there things are bothering me more and more.
Remember this time when I was there I wasn't shadowing the SRO.
Term, retire to Florida!
In the trenches, your probably an underperforming teacher. Follow Grippi's lead and get out!!!!!
For the most part the teachers are doing a great job and I commend them for that.
Oh my a near riot?
Again, I am concerned about Grippi leaving. As I ask around I am hearing several items like: The administration was coming down on his significant other who works at Harvey by making many demands on her that were not being made on others. I also heard that he felt that he could not make any changes as Hanlon has the upper hand. And last I heard that the Board was coming after Grippi because he didn't live in Painesville even though he owns property and gets his mail in Painesville. So it all seems to fit the behavior of the board and Hanlon.
I also hear that the Sports programs are broke and bingo is closing for the summer most likely to never open again. What a sad day for all.
"Dogs" day recently in the elementary schools has also raised some concerns. To discuss this with people responsible for the control of the building. It would be worth everyone's time to spend a few hours helping in the schools to see the true picture of concern at all levels. The 4th and 5th graders are a huge concern-just think of what they will be like at the high school level!
9:57 I have three grandchildren. One at Heritage, and two in elementary school. I plan to visit them all. Harvey at the time had the fewest parents involved. Please speak for yourself and not for me.
7:35 Yes for the most part the teachers are doing a great job. Why no support from administrator's? Why so little respect from a small group of students?
What are the consequences?
One thing I noticed when the comments in the News-Herald came up people who thought Mr. Grippi was terrible mentioned it under anonymous names. People who spoke positively signed there names. That to me says it all.
7:34 You want ME to ask for Dr. Hanlon to leave get some moxie and go up there yourself. As if they would listen to me.
As far as the Booster's Bingo program closing I have no knowledge about that. The best kept secret in Painesville is how many hard working volunteer's have given so much time so the student's have a first rate athletic program. If that money drys up?
If you think I'm going to post something about a scandal from an anonymous comment. Your crazier than I am.
stay tuned!!!!!!
Ditto to in the trenches. Heaven help us if the 4th & 5th graders are a problem now, what will happen when they get to JR High? There is another place where they all run amock. Dress code?NO, Respect? NO,Discipline-NO Consequences? NO, Consistancy? NO,
You name it, it's GONE.
Watch out Steve Costell, you're next. Hanlon, Kalb and Dillard won't be happy until they've appointed all the remaining board positions.
To 1:02 PM..the point I was trying to make was that the state figures are pretty bad for PCLS and they are only made up of the numbers that actually get reported. Seems like the letter Ms. Martin issued is trying to circumvent some of those incidents being reported. It would not be the first time that the information we have (scanty as it is) at the local level is not accurately reflected when and where it is supposed to be. Sorry I wasn't more clear.
wow. what a mess....
Hanlon must GO!!!!!!!
So this one person is trying to keep three people and one group out of jail? Corruption will fail this time and the regime will come to an end? Time and facts will tell us. Until then no names please.
My 7:34 post might make no sense to the readers it just was an answer to a commenter.
Let's just say if 25% of this persons facts are true. WOW!
until there is proof there is NO story.
Get ready cause its coming soon.....guarantee!!!!!
One other point, why do we let Hanlon make a mockery of our school district while we watch him apply for superintendent positions in other districts? On the other hand, how can we assist him in landing one of those positions?
Hanlon must GO!!!!!!
Amid all this speculation, has anyone considered the Ross was forced to resign because he is NOT a Painesville resident? It is quite possible that this has nothing to do with administration throwing their weight, and comes down to someone not being qualified to hold that office.
Yes It could even be as simple as Mr. Grippi thinking do I need all this? As far as qualified I believe you couldn't find a candidate as qualified as Ross. I heard rumblings that people like Ross and myself want to go back to the 60's and 70's?. I would at this point be glad to get back to the
90's.
No no...qualified as in did not fit the residency requirements. He is more than qualified as far as his professional background goes. I think it's a shame that he took the opportunity to serve in that office from someone else who ran for it, just to resign in 3 months. But even when he petitioned to be on the ballot he was not a legal Painesville resident.
He was forced to resign. Ross obviously committed some sort of violation which got him in trouble.Qualified? Don't make me laugh. 60,70,80,90's don't compare to 2012. Every freaking aspect of our society is different. The way we were raised and disiplined doesn't work today. Today's parents and schools have different challenges and need different solutions. Term's,Ross,or my way will not work. Term,, you need to help. Pointing out the obvious is getting us no where. Going into the school yelling at the students with a white t-shirt is not going to work. Kids now days will laugh at you...just like they did.
To this poster I don't care who's living where with you that's why I deleted it.
6:46 So things have changed so much that when a student is asked by a teacher where is he supposed to be, he can use profanity and charge at the teacher aggressively?
Another student can make a sexual remark to another person on staff and laugh at them about it? A dress code where a student wears a cap all day and is constantly pulling up his pants yet most of the time he shows 8 inches of his underwear?
The bell rings you have 4 minutes to get to class the bell rings again an many could care less that class has started? Still socializing in the hall, teachers voices unheard as if they were deaf? Yes things have changed and not for the good. Ask a Chardon resident.
This is our future and I guess we must accept that young people have no respect for anyone even themselves?
Harvey has camera's monitoring the halls that's what should be shown on channel 96 so residents can view what their paying for.
Are you claiming these things happened on your visit to Harvey, or did you see them take place?
I thought D.O.G.'s were to remain quiet to what they witnessed at the schools?
I witnessed these things when I was at the school last week. Now I don't feel I betrayed any administrator, teacher or student. I guess I should just commented that everything is wonderful?
Term, speak with the administrators before going to a blog. If you truly want to help the district and students that would be your approach. You obviously don't care about improvement. Your no better than Grimy Grippi
I have tried and even spoken to one. The approach we have used the past 10 years don't seem to work do they? Look at the test scores as well as discipline?
To improve is to make better. What has been made better except new buildings to showcase poor results? Call him that to his face 6:35 what it's easier here?
Let's get something straight. I'll meet you and Grimmy Grippi any day of the week....for a conversation. Name the time and place and let's see who shows up....for a conversation. Watch who you call out, you just might get your wish.
Now try me......
I will attend the school board meeting Monday evening. Hope to see you there.
Your a funny guy. We are not going to have a conversation at the school board meeting, how unappropriate. Let me know when you and Grimmy are interesting in having a conversation. Can't wait to see you having a conversation while hiding behind Grimmy.
Watch who you call out??? You just might get your wish?? Oh please . .... No wait; I know who Term is calling out! He's calling out Anonymous 11:25 AM!!!! I'll meet you any day of the week?? And how shall Term know you - oh that's right - you look just like all the other Anonymouses except you are the one who likes to call people nasty names!I never thought I contributed much to this blog or to improving the way things are but now I've found someone who contributes even less.Thank you. I feel better now.
First off it wasn't funny.We were going to discuss problems in the schools? After the meeting we could either talk there or go somewhere else. I can't speak for Mr. Grippi I don't know if he even reads this blog. I suggest you call him on the phone to see if he even wants todiscuss things with you? I'm just trying to figure out how you believe calling people names is going to fix this?
Tuesday night there is aPOC meeting attend that?
I would rather speak to you one on one without hiding behind anyone.
To All,
Put more of this kind of energy into our students and we would be better off.
HMG......Hanlon Must Go!!!!!
9:49 your right. I only can guess why the anger 12:33 seems to have?
I want him or her to tell my. Name calling and being glad in someones failure can't improve things.
Somewhere along the line 12:33 seems to believe mr. grippi and I are in cahoots. We are not. I believed and still do that he was a positive asset to the board.
1. Where can I find the information you stated about "Harvey leads the county in suspension(s) and expulsions"? I'd like to see the data in writing.
2. You are a poor representation for the schools when you can not differentiate between there and their or they're.
3.April 3,6:46 AM This post troubles me - To this poster I don't care who's living where with you that's why I deleted it. This says to me that you DO write under an anonymous name, who else has the ability to delete a post?
4. When will the state come in to clean house at the schools. They need to get here and start from the top. Answer please.
5:31 I will get that information for you. I don't represent the schools only myself and you might be right.
No the comment was under anonymous thats why I left it as such. The comment mentioned private citizens and if you can't sign your comment I'm not going to let those names out. If I would have deleted the comment then I am accused of censoring the blog. Sad fact my blog. my rules. I sign my comments as Term>> that's it.
Maybe the state will come in to clean house after you get off your dead rear end and call them?
I already have.....called them.
HMG!!!!
8:31 What answer did they give you?
Sorry if I offended you , I got the impression that you want just me to call.
If you think it would do any good post the name or division you spoke to in Columbus and many here might be inclined to call. There, their, they're might give you a hand in this?
Term YOUR A FUNNY GUY!
No need for additional calls to columbus. If anyone truly wants to see change be prepared when several current as well as former administrators are exposed. This will be the opportunity for everyone to demand change.
Who will have the courage to stand for what's right?
HMG....Hanlon must go!!!
Just to let all of you know that the State Super. is from Madison and a friend of Dr. Hanlon. At least one of the schools should have had changes made BUT the game that was played involved changing school numbers (as listed with Columbus) so that the schools all appear to be different schools. This buys time for the administration and teachers in the low or poor performing schools. In Cinn. the Super.took a bold step and closed the lowest performing school. She reassigned the teachers and fired or reassigned the administration.
The school reopened with an entire new staff that had been sent over the summer to a University down South that offers workshops in how to deal successfully with children of poverty/ELL/challenges. We need this type of administration and knowledge in Paineville so we can see success again!
I heard That Officer Ponder is due back today. I hope so, HHS is safer when he's on site. We've all missed him.
FYI as Annon 5:31 I AM NOT Anonymous 8:31 therefore I did not get off MY dead rear and call the state. The state doesn't need phone calls; they are provided all data from the districts from which they make their determinations. I highly doubt if someone called Columbus to complain about a school that they would do something about it without proof. Unlike the chatter that goes on here.
2:38 Thank's again for your continuing chatter on the blog.
Over the weekend we went over 100,000 page views. Thanks
100,000 views of this site? PROVE IT!
10:12 AM APR 27 2012. IS YOUR NAME THOMAS every thing has to be proved. HAVE FAITH.
You have me mistaken for someone else so I can not take the credit for MY continuing chatter to boost your blog numbers. I check this out about once a week to find all the errors.
So I guess this must be #1001 for you now?
5:20 I'm more concerned with ALL the errors you find?
Thanks anyway.
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