Friday, April 22, 2011

'SWEEPING THE ASHES" serena ryder

"WAPAKONETA"
Painesville electric power users may find this article interesting, if for no other reason get ready for "what's coming down the road", or wire.

http://www.wapakdailynews.com/content/view/333097/1/


New plant powers talks
Tuesday, 19 April 2011

By WILLIAM LANEY
Managing Editor
A natural gas-powered electric plant set to be operational in December may replace power purchased by the city from a coal-fired plant that was to produce electricitylater this decade. Wapakoneta City Council members heard Monday the first reading of an ordinance to purchase 3 megawatts of power hourly from the Fremont Energy Center, a natural gas-powered electric plant which could be purchased by American Municipal Power (AMP) if contracts can be negotiated to purchase power the plant produces.
This would provide the city of Wapakoneta with electric power, less expensive than purchasing the power on the open market, and would replace a portion of the power the city promised to purchase from the AMP-GS plant, which likely will never be operational.
“This AMP proposal does two things — one is they went out and contracted for power which was supposed to be supplied by AMP-GS so no one was short of power and second the Fremont Energy Center provides two positives for subscribers,” Councilor-at-large and Utilities Committee Chair Steve Walter said after Monday’s council meeting. “It should provide AMP with electric power production that should be at a better price than the power they have been purchasing off the open market and there is to be a factor in the electric rate as per this contract that will cover the costs for AMP-GS.
“This gives us a payment plan to service some of the debt we will assume from AMP-GS,” he said. “It is going to give us lower cost power and a lower cost mechanism to pay our debt service for AMP-GS.”
Walter said city administrators are waiting on legal counsel to approve the wording of the contract.
He also said this deal with AMP will be the focus of a Utilities Committee meeting set for 6:30 p.m. Thursday at the Wapakoneta City Administration Building.
Walter said this contract should not affect the city’s average cost of power and thus should not affect any consumer’s electric rate. He explained the city receives power from a number of different sources with expiration of the contracts staggered so rate increases do not hit consumers all at one time.
He was referring to when electric rates doubled from 2.7 cents per kilowatt hour to approximately 6.375 cents per kilowatt hour.
Several councilors including 1st Ward Councilor Jim Neumeier and 3rd Ward Councilor Bonnie Wurst wanted more information about the terms of the contract and regarding the status of Fremont Energy Center, a plant built in the past decade but never brought on-line because of natural gas costs in the middle of the past decade. The Fremont plant was once owned by FirstEnergy.
AMP is attempting to contract the sale of 707 megawatts of power produced by the Fremont Energy Center, selling the power to AMP members and non-members. Columbus was expected to purchase 100 megawatts, but that deal may have fallen apart thus jeopardizing the purchase and operation of the center.
If contracts are not reached to purchase enough power from the plant, the city likely would not owe anything through this contract.
The Fremont Energy Center replaces the AMP-GS plant, a coal-fired plant, which ran into cost overruns and permit problems early in construction.
Safety-Service Director Bill Rains said AMP officials tried to sell the city of Wapakoneta 17 megawatts of power, but city administrators balked. AMP tried to sell the city 13 megawatts, then 7 megawatts before settling on 3 megawatts of power.
The city uses approximately 30-32 megawatts of power an hour during a typical day and peaks at 38 megawatts per hour during a peak period in the summer.
Rains explained the city is paying on the AMP-GS project because land was purchased, engineering for the project was completed and for legal fees because of a civil lawsuit with the contractor.
Rains said buying from the natural gas plant fits into the city’s plan.
“We have to maintain an appropriate portfolio and sometimes, just like with AMP-GS, it is a gamble,” Rains said. “If that plant would have went on line, we would have had a coal-fired plant producing 20 to 30 percent of our power.
“We need to have some intermediate peaking power and this new plant is a good way to do that,” he said. “We are still going to look at alternatives that may not be as conventional to what we have done in the past.”
Similar to Walter’s thinking, Mayor Rodney Metz said having several different providers with different lengths of contracts better serves Wapakoneta consumers.
“Just like you at home with your investments, you try to stay as diversified as much as you can to receive the highest return,” Metz said. “In regard to electricity, we try to be as diversified as we can to get the best price.”
Last Updated ( Wednesday, 20 April 2011 )

Well Councilman Flock this will be the mechanism that will pay Painesvilles 2.7 million owned on AMP-GS.
"This gives us a payment plan to service some of the debt we will assume from AMP-GS."
"It is going to give us lower cost for power and a lower cost mechanism to pay our debt service for AMP-GS.

Wonder what the cost of power would be if "debt-service" wasn't included? This is how Painesville will SWEEP the Meigs County debacle under the rug.
One small problem AMP seems to have presently. They are having a hard time selling this project to other AMP "communities." [ you don't have to wonder why,do you?] This plant produces over 700 megawatts of power, and recently Columbus that had signed on for 100 megawatts, may have balked on the deal and it seems to have fallen apart.

23 Comments:

At April 22, 2011 at 9:10 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Great along with my kilowatt cost, and my power factor cost, I'll have a debt service amount?
Great job Rita.

 
At April 22, 2011 at 4:59 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If everyone, including AMP-Ohio, thinks we are going to be saved by using natural gas as an alternative fuel, it may end up to be a real bust. I know a lot of companies are counting on this, including GE. I could be mistaken, but I think that all this optimism stems from the new methods of capturing natural gas. (Someone can correct me if I am wrong, please.) However, they are finding out that there are a lot of problems with this new method. It may not end up being the savior that people are hoping for. If that is the case, then companies will probably be hurt terribly or collapsing because their investments in this new technology do not pay off. This makes me very leary of yet one more misadventure for AMP that we end up entangled in. Does someone have more facts on this?

 
At April 22, 2011 at 5:30 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

What your talking about is called 'hydro-fracking' I haven't a clue how the process works i have heard it done with carcinogen laced chemical that can contaminate wells as well as water sheds.
Seems where it's been used there is over exposure to the process.

 
At April 22, 2011 at 5:49 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Maybe when this was first proposed it seemed like a great idea to keep Painesville residents from paying high prices for electricity. The bottom just feel out. Why keep blaming city officals

 
At April 22, 2011 at 6:50 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is 4:59. Term, what do you mean by your last sentence? I don't understand it.

 
At April 22, 2011 at 11:41 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The real problem is our energy programs are being politically driven instead of common sense and what is affordable,

politically for the green movement coal is out, Obama even said he will bankrupt anyone who wants to continue developing it.

After Chernobyl and now Japan what company in their right mind would risk public opinion by build more nuclear plants.

solar and wind is a good alternative but not ready for prime time for sustained heavy use that industry and large cities need.

Natural Gas is left but why invest in a technology that will go belly up in a few years when the public and politicians finally do their homework and discover it is worse than coal from and environmental standpoint.

 
At April 23, 2011 at 6:18 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

4:59 Just to many wells. One county in Pennsylvania expects 10,000 new wells? Just to many.

 
At April 23, 2011 at 6:29 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

5:49 I guess you could say they had their minds made up. Anyone who asked for caution was totally ignored.
They did not do the due diligence on this subject.
Was the law director even asked about the contract?
They were arrogent about the subject even to the point of telling half-truths about the issue. Remember all the public dialogue on the subject? Me either.
They screwed-up.
Highly respected professionals?

Oh, and by the way the Cedarbrook basements flooded again last night. Please no on bring it to their attention they just might come up with another $10.00 surcharge.This time for not having the right sized sewer pipes in place.

 
At April 23, 2011 at 1:28 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

When they were getting us into this 50-year coal deal with AMP, residents were fighting the issue. Term spoke out many times, as I recall, and so did others. Everyone that I knew thought it was a bad idea to get into a 50-year coal deal where WE OWNED part of the plant. It was a take-or-pay, meaning either way, we were paying. It also meant that we would pay for everything at the plant, no matter what went wrong. There was also the AMP landfill deal that seems to have escaped everyone's radar. I would have to go back and look at my notes, but I think we will pay them 100,000 over ten years for enough energy to power one house. Is that the right figure - does anyone remember? Anyway, my point is, that the citizens told them over and over not to do it. They did it anyway, they've told many half-truths over it, as Term says, and now we owe millions. Now they are talking about getting us involved in this gas plant with AMP. We'd better learn from Columbus and "just say no." Let's just pay what we owe these horrible AMP people, get investigators in here to sort out just what is going on in this city, and call it day before these shifty, shady people get us into ANOTHER bad deal. How many have there been now? This gas stuff is new, there are problems with it, and anyone who is stupid enough to follow AMP into one more deal should be impeached. Can we impeach these people? Remember that McMahon, Hada, etc. did everything they could for many, many months to keep the information from us about how much we owed AMP for this botched coal plant deal. They'll get us into whatever deal they have to to try to cover up what we have to pay them. We had better not get into any more energy deals until we get new people in office that we can trust to guide us in the right direction WITH NO COVER-UPS.

 
At April 23, 2011 at 1:57 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

Have to teel you one person on another post mentioned that if it on the agenda it will pass. UNLESS
People let the elected offical and andministrators know what they want.
Presently all this blog does is tell you what happened. I would rather post what you expect them to do and how you would like them to run the city.
I liked one idea where council gave the administration a budget to live with. What's the difference? When something goes wrong we always hear the council voted on the budget anyway? It's their budget.

 
At April 23, 2011 at 2:36 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems likw Wapakoneta officals are in bed with AMP-ohio also.
Scanning the news. Emergency ordinance for replacement switches and operators for the electric system without taking competitive bids.Service Director Tom Hichcock said the ordinance is necessary because the items are being purchased though amp-ohio at a cost of $106,000. What do these AMP people have a magic dust?

 
At April 23, 2011 at 2:59 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is 1:28. Was just giving people a background on what happened because previously someone complained that they didn't know what we were talking about sometimes.

As far as electricity is concerned. If I had my way, I would hold out for those little energy wind machines that I think will be able to sit on top of our roofs and provide us with our own energy. I don't think that that is very far down the road. Another reason why we have to be so careful about what deal we get into. The science is changing so fast, we will need to have the ability to adapt and change relatively quickly when the next change happens.

I have to agree with 11:41 about the Democrats and nuclear. I'm a Democrat and was continually shocked that the Republicans were still wanting more nuclear plants. When Obama jumped in with that concession, touting it as "clean" energy (did anyone tell him it's NUCLEAR?), I couldn't believe it. Hopefully the horrible disaster in Japan will put an end to that nonsense. Also when they were just starting to build nuclear plants they were sold on the fact that they would be cheap energy. I don't think that there has been anything cheap about them.

Does anyone have a little rooftop wind machine I can buy? Anyone?

 
At April 24, 2011 at 8:25 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

So does anybody know WHY we have such frequent little power outages? I don't even bother trying to call when the power goes out, I got so pissed off last time I tried and couldn't reach a human or even leave a message. Here on the North End it went out around 5:30 this morning. I have a battery backup on my computer that recorded a two minute "blackout" and then 37 minutes of "electrical noise" but it seemed like the power was out that whole time. This is getting ridiculous. I feel like I can't even leave a meal in the slow cooker when I go to work because I can't trust there won't be a power failure during the day. And I'm getting really tired of having to go around and reset all the clocks every couple of weeks!

 
At April 24, 2011 at 11:24 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

Joys of being a resident in the City of Painesville.
I have seen a lot more going on a the electric plant this week General Electric has a tractor-trailer sitting out front along with the new electric battery storage unit?
You can expect power outages now and then ask a First Energy customer.
Although I want more information on the Power Factor, dealing with AMP-OHIO, explanations on payments out of the electric fund. The people who are serving the city from the electric department seem to be professinal that do their jobs.
Simply said my problems are with some of the administrators and department heads.

 
At April 24, 2011 at 1:22 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Why we are broke!

The Cost Of War

http://youtu.be/EZy04Knmhgc

Will we ever learn what it is to be human – not inhuman?

 
At April 24, 2011 at 5:58 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Poor babys, get over it, your lucky they get it fixed so fast, try other places.

 
At April 25, 2011 at 6:06 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Seems the Plain Dealer has figured out why Painesville school levy was pulled. Out of the 97 districts in the general area, only Clearview, Maple Heights, and Painesville received an increase in funding from the governors school budget.
Thank-you Amigo

 
At April 25, 2011 at 4:21 PM , Blogger Sandy Miller said...

Just checked the city's website and noticed the Housing Task Force meeting is cancelled.

They're kidding........... right?

due to lack of interest?

 
At April 26, 2011 at 3:36 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Speaking of amigos: I was just reading on the www.ice.gov website about a program called Secure Communities. Cities partner with the federal government and check fingerprints, etc. of everyone who is brought in on any charge to the police station to check their legal status, criminal record, etc. Does anyone know if our police departments do this around here?

 
At April 26, 2011 at 6:01 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

madpotter1 I believe due to the holiday many people are out of town.

 
At April 26, 2011 at 11:10 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would that be the Housing Task Force holiday?

 
At May 1, 2011 at 3:42 PM , Anonymous No Mas said...

No I don't know but Term should sure find out for us and report back. I'm really interested in this.

 
At May 4, 2011 at 6:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is 3:36 adding to my post. I am watching a congressional hearing on border security/illegals. I missed the exact statement, but I think that they just said that almost EVERYONE who comes here on a VISA overstays it. They are finally saying that that is as illegal as coming here completely illegally in the first place and should be handled accordingly. They said that the program Secure Communities is very helpful in catching those people and getting them out of the country.

 

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