"MONDAY NIGHT COUNCIL MEETING"
Well you could cut the air with a knife Monday night after councilman Flock read a statement during the AMP-OHIO presentation that read "I have lost confidence in the City Manager Rita McMahon and Council President Joe Hada." He expressed his views to the residents of Ward 1 and the rest of the residents in Painesville. Councilman Fodor asked to go into executive session after the statement was read . The executive session lasted about 45 minutes. [like to have been a fly on that wall]
After they returned a few more questions were asked . Mr. Fodor explained to me this deal will cost the city over 15 million dollars over the time of the contract 2015 to 2020.
The purchase passed 4 to 3. With Flock, DiNallo, and Werner voting against the purchase.
For some reason Council President Hada is under the impression that councilman Flock voted for the Meigs County project?
Here's an interesting question what do you think the city charges the electric department for the lease on their property and building?
Will add to the meeting events later.
To some of you please take the time to read Wednesday News-Herald.
posted by terminator1 @ 3:43 AM
25 Comments
25 Comments:
Mr Flock ...I might move to your ward just so I can vote for you. I guess the line has been drawn in the sand now. Sure hope all your sidewalks are OK and your house doesn't need even a drop of paint.
Gee, wonder why nothing in the News-Herald?
Please don't for a second take this site seriously!
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/10/15/hermann_scheer_1944_2010_german_lawmaker
Slug your way through this video. The point made is that change will come from the local level. Specifically change in energy 'policy'. This is relaed to PVille because... the city of Painesville, has utilities and services but what about growth, meeting the objectives of the city to grow and attract economic enterprise?? Listen to the words of the economist in the video..
Next point.
Change can only occur through debate. When only one person on the legislative body asks the tough questions you have what you have in la ville en la grande.. dictatorship or a feudal fiefdom... Go along to get along? This should be the song that is sung before every council meeting in the ville.
As an option instead, maybe we could ask good ole' boy j. h to draw up his coat of arms and this could be his brand symbol.. and on all relevant documents in the ville he could yield his seal of approval... his decree.. 'so J.H. says it is written, so let it be done' could be the mantra.. in his feudal fiefdom in the ville. At least it would no longer be a joke a mockery of representative democracy.
Good luck out there. Give Flock some democratic support, he shouldn't be the only one asking relevant questions that effect the tax payers of the ville of paine. I thought we lived in a democracy, albeit a representative democracy. But still the voice of the people is to be communicated via the council from the people. Wake up people!! don't complain that you live in a ghetto or you that your school has poor ratings and your roads have the same quality as 1982 Beirut..... when you continually elect people that do not want to change this image...
Flock should be taken seriously as seriously as this site.
Good gosh...He votes for things, says he didn't then wants to wast everyone's time to prove it to himself. Dredging up old junk from the past too? Things that no one from todays administration had any control over. He needs to go and I hope his ward will see the light.
http://www.development.ohio.gov/recovery/EnergyEfficiencyConservationBlockGrants.htm
did the city of paine apply for these?
Anonymous 12:42, what do you mean "nothing in the News-Herald"?
It made it to the website earlier today.
http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/11/16/news/doc4ce2b61d21337479055976.txt
I would expect it to be in the Wednesday print edition of the N-H.
Hey 12:42...you must have missed it...the News Herald actually had a timely article about it. Please don't clutter up this blog (or any other comment section) with your unresearched opinions .....or get some kind of handle so I can just skip over your remarks.
If the City of Paine had a Charter Amendment Group, that was not hand selected and a Candy Kiss Group, there would have been a Massive Article of Change placed on the ballot that actually made Sense.
"Should the Council of the City of Paine be allowed to vote and commit our tax dollars to any long term agreement of $500,000.00 up to and including any dollar amount that equals or exceeds $3 Million Dollars per year; WITHOUT THE VOTE OF APPROVAL OF THE PROPERTY AND BUSINESS OWNERS OF THIS CITY."
Thank you to Mr. Flock, Mrs Dinallo, and H Werner for being vigilant and realizing that this proposal can and would sink this City, not only in further debt: but, into another "sales related contract" that they cannot pay for based on the low-end salary wages of this city. Thank you for your heads-up in your vote that this present City Manager is out of Her Realm.
$500,000.00 figures and beyond are just examples. What are all of your thoughts?
Charterlady
3:36 Joe Hada was on council at the time when someone took the city over the coals. We got our money back? Ask Joe what the legal fees the city paid.
Nero thrown under the bus along with the finance director at that time. How many on council didn't seek re-election that year?
You would hope the city learned something from that experience.
If you look at what Flock voted yes on was from AMP and the city to go ahead and look into this project. With a final vote early in 2008. [unless he was lied to]
Now go to the minutes of the 2/19/08 meeting and review how the final vote went. That was the vote of no return.
Don't take this site seriously or Councilman Flock just keep going down the same road. Where has this taken us.
One mention of the budget. Did anyone see anything in it to improve the quality of life for the people living here?
Charterlady I couldn't agree with you more. There is no one in the administration willing to be held accountable for the mess with AMP-OHIO.
Thank-you councilman Flock.
If you went out to eat at a restaurant and the food was not cooked and the owner came up to you and said "Don't blame me, you ordered it." Would you go back to that same establishment for dinner the next day?
It's time Joe Hada and Rita McMahon stepup to the plate and explain how they were bamboozald by AMP-OHIO. Up until a month ago where was this information at?
Where were the story about this in the Painesville newsletter?
Both seem to have been around to long for this to be a simple accident.
Do any of you commenting have a clue? 15 million over 5 years, that is 3 million a year to purchase electricity, that is a drop in the bucket even compared to what we pay today for buying electricity.
to 3:36....your poison pen sounds like the opening salvo of the stealth campaign that city hall is known for when they are confronted with something/one they don't like. Today's council may not have control over what was handed to them (although some of them bear some responsibility for it) but they DO have control over future events. Continuing to deal with a company that we have a bad track record with (and still owe a huge undetermined amount of money to) is fiscally irresponsible. AMP - Ohio isn't the only game in town...lots of communities do without them very nicely and their lights are still on. And I'm glad to see that you most likely don't live in Flock's ward. Have a nice day!
You can bet theres an escape clause.
One for them to slip out of if that's a low price in 5 years.
Lay down with dogs, get up with fleas.
Some of you are missing the real cause of why we owe so much money. When that deal was put together 5 years or so ago it was actually a very good price, the length of the contract was crazy but the price was very attractive. There was like 88 other cities besides Painesville that thought so also and signed on. Do you really believe 88 other councils also got fooled because they are dumb?
Then what happened?, well I still remmember when Obama was campaigning he made a statement that he would support clean energy by making sure anyone who wanted to use coal longterm would end up going broke because he would make sure producing electricity with coal was too expensive.
Sooooo, here we are today owing a whole lot of money because all of a sudden 2 years ago making electricity with coal became too expensive to be done.
So is this all just a coincidence or a plan by our president to make sure we move to clean energy and who cares what it costs us.
Painesville had until Feburary 19,2008 to bow out of this contract. People almost begged them to stop.
No, they knew better. So now we all pay. No apology given.
50 year coal fired electric plant, someone at AMP was one Hell of a salesman.
I am in the process of finding out what hops we would have to jump through to get a Mayor, or at least a charter change to limit the city managers powers.
What about the AMP partners that didn't jump in?
This city cannot afford mistakes like this.
Thanks Term for looking into what we have to do to get a Mayor or at least a charter change to limit McMahon's powers. This is way past due, so thanks for taking the initiative.
To 10:03...blame it on whomever/whatever you want (Obama, the sun rising in the east, etc). You just illustrate the point that no one really knows what will happen in a year or two (other than things will always change)...let alone 40 or 50 years. Its too much money to take that kind of gamble. And you claim that if it was good enough for the other 80 plus municipalities to jump on board then it must have been a good deal. Well....ask Martinsville, Virginia or Oberlin, Ohio for example just how they feel about their decision today. And nowhere do you account for all the communities that DID NOT get on board....I'm sure it is a greater number than those that did.
Those 80 other communities probably have politicans like we do and are trying to minumize the cost to their cities. I'm waiting for someone from Cleveland to blow the whistle on this they might be in for over 25 million.
Yes, what happens many times is that one person, city, etc. does something and everyone follows, thinking that if THEY think it's okay, then it must be. The fact that so many cities went along with a 50-year coal deal is a frightening notion. We cannot excuse our city leaders for doing so. We pay them to use their own brains to do the right thing for us, not follow the crowd into hell. And not only that, they had many citizens telling them that this sounded like a dangerous, stupid deal, but they refused to listen.
Thanks to Flock, DiNallo and Werner for finally standing up for us. Too bad it wasn't enough. Sad to see that Fodor is just following McMahon's crowd. She, Hada and everyone that voted yes have got to go. This is an unholy relationship we have with AMP, and it is time for it to stop.
When is Flock going to be council president? I want to sit back and watch the others give everything back to him the way he gives it out now. Why do you think they keep minutes? Refer back to see because he cant remember anything he says or does. After council I'll sit back to watch him become Pres of the USA like Ronald Regan. Regan did things and then he "forgot" too. We all know how that story ended.
And what of a person who doesn't maintain eye contact with the person he is speaking to? That means they are not telling the truth when speaking.
Today in the business section of the News-Herald was an interesting story considering the vote by council Monday night.
FIRSTENERGY CANCELS PLANS IN SHADYSIDE
FirstEnergy Corp. on Wednesday said it would cancel plans to repower two units at its TR.E.Burger Plant in Shadyside,Ohio,to generate electricity principally with biomass.
The company will permantly shut down units 4 and 5 at the plant by December 31.
The Akron-based utility pointed to falling electric market prices as a reason for the closure. read rest in News-Herald business.
We in Painesville are so fortunate to have a leadership that can predict electric use 10 years from today. According to our city manager air-conditioners spike electric use. O.K. but the top power users are businesses inmManufacturing, see that comin' back? Do you.
Actually if electric prices are high in five years maybe the economy will be great.
I guess we don't have to wonder who's pocket Jim Fodor's in, do we?
There can only be one reason he voted YES, he owes JaHada for his seat on council. No independent thinking on that end of town, Hada, Fountain, Fodor, and Hach.
HFFH
There could be many reasons he voted yes...but none of them are good. He always struck me as an intelligent man...this will be his albatross.
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