Wednesday, July 8, 2009

"DOWN ON MAIN STREET"

Three months to put in new sewers and repave Main St from the bridge to the top of the hill? Seems excessive? The people at the top must be wondering if everyone is trying to cut them off from the rest of the world. What happens when the burning and demolishing the condos start,what will that do to the project? Speaking of that when will the Millstone deal be done? One person can't be holding this up, maybe its something else? Well maybe their heir's will get the settlement?
Keep thinking about the last council meeting when a Mr. Nathan Zaremba made a proposal to council about the hospital site. Nice honest man claimed he knew very little about Painesville but 100 townhouses on that site seemed the way to go. There was almost a stampede to sign up to his idea. Why do we spend money on master plans and God knows what else that proposed "mixed use" and someone says no we need Townhouses.
The vote that council takes on this property will have as much of an impact on the citys future as urban renewal did forty years ago. We have to get this right. To vote for it and to think the administration is responsible for the outcome is wrong. Its in the hands of seven people and you can't have it both ways. You O.K.ed it, its yours, live with it.

23 Comments:

At July 8, 2009 at 4:03 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You make a good point about Millstone, people are waiting way to long for FEMA money.

 
At July 8, 2009 at 4:05 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes its all on the backs of council and why three of them didn't even comment made ne wonder if the fix was in?

 
At July 8, 2009 at 4:07 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Will someone please get the city to either fix or stop recording the council meetings, have they ever heard of a sound check?

 
At July 8, 2009 at 4:36 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have talked to a Millstone owner and it is still Gibbs holding it up in court. He wants the right to re-purchase all the units and rebuild more condo's down there.

 
At July 8, 2009 at 5:32 PM , Blogger Sandy Miller said...

and will the seven people be in line to sign up for
900 sq. feet at $185,000?

I hope they are right and there is stampede to buy Mr. Zaremba's town houses.

On my walk yesterday I couldn't help but think this is right up the street from the house who has a permanent garage sale in the front yard.......

Dan Smith has some beautiful apartments he rents on Main Street. Has anyone asked him if he has had success renting them out? Seems as if he would be a good resource person before anybody signs anything.

just wondering...........


MP

and yes, the folks at the bottom of the hill and the top of the hill are having an interesting time following bread crumbs to get out.

 
At July 8, 2009 at 6:30 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Term, Knows all,
3 mo to do that work your damm right, that is a lot of work to do on a hill.

 
At July 8, 2009 at 9:34 PM , Anonymous Adam said...

Three months for Main St. isn't excessive, if it means the job is done RIGHT and will last awhile. Unfortunately, as with many road projects in da 'Ville, they don't always go that way...

 
At July 9, 2009 at 3:32 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

Adam, maybe some businesses in town wouldn't want to do it because then people would say there for this candidate and not that one. Businesses as a rule like to stay out of campaigns.

 
At July 9, 2009 at 5:46 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

please explain how you came to characterize this as a "stampede"

 
At July 9, 2009 at 5:54 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is proof you are just trying to dig up anger towards the city. the time frame for main street is normal.

 
At July 9, 2009 at 7:16 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

Stampede? You could see people on council and in the administration "upset" that this was not done on first reading. When the City Manager is upset that pen of hers takes a beating. Where were the other proposals? where were the questions? just move to suspend, second, yes,yes... What away to run a city. The developer wasn't even prepared.

 
At July 9, 2009 at 8:55 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

madpotters right, who's going to buy these? If you won't why will anyone else?

 
At July 10, 2009 at 6:31 AM , Blogger Sandy Miller said...

What are the options if these do not sell?

Seriously, has there been any discussion about the what-if's ?

The new market mall was a failure and it has taken years to figure out what to do with it. Not sure it has been answered yet.

Will we have high end section 8 housing?

This will drastically change the landscape of downtown as have other projects, not always successful.

Three readings is appropriate for such a project.

AMP Ohio went to three readings and we still committed the city and it's residents to 40 years with no cap on spending........

any caps on this project? Time frames etc......

MP

 
At July 10, 2009 at 7:46 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yes lets blame Robert Gibbs for Millstone, here's something to think about the judge would vacate the order to stop the sale from moving forward, unless Mr. Gibbs could show some merit? My guess is he has showed the courts something that we all don't know about. And the city and the association don't want the rest of us to know about it. Mr. Gurley left the courtroom very upset? Time will tell.
A Mouthpiece

 
At July 10, 2009 at 1:40 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Three years and still no settlement? something smells and it ain't the river. Where are the same homeowners that demanded the city make them whole? When will they ask city hall for some answers.

 
At July 10, 2009 at 3:39 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah, I think 7:46am is right, as a city I think we should just say screw the owners and let Gibbs buy it. By the way, it currently isn't worth what most of the owners owe, I'll bet if we heard his offer it would be for land value only.

Oh, and after he gets it we can make sure the city's on the hook to bail them out again when his new condo's flood some day.

I think some of you just complain about the city without even thinking about what you are saying.

people wondering who would buy on the old hospital site, who would buy rebuilt condos on the same site as ones that were demolished by a flood!

 
At July 10, 2009 at 4:14 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

How can Mr. Gibbs end up with the property the city has already turned it over to the state to forgive a million dollar loan? Maybe the city in there wisdom sold something they did have "ALL" the titles to? Three years is to long to just be someone not wanting to sell his condo. Ask and watch the squirming start. Gibbs will probabably sue Painesville and end up with a couple of milliom.

 
At July 11, 2009 at 8:07 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If a project was done properly down near the river raising it above the river, it would be an easier sell thjen the hospital site. Who's idea was that anyway? Is that ground contaminated? Why else would it be a "brownfield"

 
At July 11, 2009 at 12:56 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't ever think this site has the right idea, but I must admit building condos on the hospital property seems far fetched. Everyone who votes for this project to move forward must be made to give his or hers reason why they voted "yes" to move this project forward. Everyone I have mentioned it to seems to think it makes no sense.

 
At July 12, 2009 at 3:56 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I watched the council meeting and came away with a totally different understanding of what is going on.

What I heard it was about was the vote was for approval of the developer because we needed an approved developer to get the Gov money to tear it down. Then a committe would be formed to work with the developer on the final design before council was asked to approve the development.

The second vote was for a resolution to require anything built on that site to be LEEDS compliant.

A vote by council wouldn't have approved the developer to build anything, why is everyones panties in a wad?did you guys see a meeting I didn't?, Did I miss something?

 
At July 12, 2009 at 6:06 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

Because we need an approved developer to get the gov. money to tear it down? Go to the Clean Air Fund Site and look for where you need an approved developer to get the money? Its not there. Council should read the contract between the city and Clean Ohio The city manager seems to have bypassed that, read it council, before you approve it.

 
At July 15, 2009 at 7:09 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I watched the council meeting and came away with a totally different understanding of what is going on.

No way. You saw what acutally happened (reality) and it differed from what you saw on this site (not reality)?
I wonder why that is.
Are the posters here biased?
Are they trying to bash people so they get their own guy elected?
Do they look at everything as negative rather than with an open mind?
Do they distort the truth to fit their agenda?
I think any reader can judge for themselves. I just hope more people like you also get acquianted with reality.

 
At July 19, 2009 at 8:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Buffalo all you Bills by the CM.
First and foremost there must be a specific Grant Writer/Manager in this city, Who is that Person?
When you apply for any Grant/Loan, the parameters of your proposal must always equal the direction(s)and parameters of this specific Grant/Loan.
There has never ever been any statement in the Grant/Loan process that requires any public nor private entity to "State/Hire/Establish any contracts with outside Professionals" in order to be awarded any Grant/Loan."
With reference to the Hospital. The application for funds, by this city, is ONLY for assistance to demolish the building/and insure that all negativities for asbestos,lead paints/drywall/utility lines that may contain contaminated properties are taken out and disposed of properly.
This Grant Application has absolutely nothing to do with Hiring an Architect nor Builder.When the Demolition Project is Completed to the satisfaction of all entities: the next process will be the re-development stage.
Maybe, just maybe, the original Grant Application will encompass this phase: most do not.
If the entity has no funds to accomplish development, they then can apply again for the Funding to Re-Develop the demolition site if there are any active programs.

 

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