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Council meeting Tuesday might 01/20/09 City Manager stated the electrical outage over the weekend believed was caused by a relay on the First Energy side of the relay substation. Law Director Gurley's report stated that he may oppose golf carts on city streets, legally they can be street driven if thay have all required equipment and are registered. The Fire Chiefs Technical Rescue Vehicle was put on first reading because councilman Werner and Flock voted no. The resolution was rather unspecific, the chief will have to show council exactly what he wants. Water line on Jackson St. approved. Establishing a JEDD fund in the 2009 budget was approved. Police Chief Smith introduced our new K9 officer that was helped sponsored by Mrs. Selma Hall's $500 dollar donation, also gave his annual report, domestic violence took a big jump last year due to a change in the law. The city is fortunate to have a professional police chief like Chief Smith.
posted by terminator1 @ 3:12 AM
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32 Comments:
"the electrical outage over the weekend believed was caused by a relay on the First Energy side of the relay substation."
First Energy's fault then. So we can pretty much retract everything that was posted below about the quality of power Painesville provides. Thanks, that was not misleading at all about whose fault it was. Good thing we now have the information from a source that knows something and not just ignorant internet posters. Now we don't have to jump to conclusions anymore that the city screwed up.
"The resolution was rather unspecific, the chief will have to show council exactly what he wants."
Was that the problem? They didn't know what he wanted? Why didn't they ask questions before the meeting so we could try to achieve some efficiency of government.
Them knew what was wanted, it was in there packet, but we know they don't read there packet's do they.
How do you know what was in the packet? How do you know they didn't read their packet? Interesting I will have to ask.
Thats good news, I am sure the city manager will get a letter of apology from First Energy to print in the Painesville Newsletter, right? Its Painesvilles sub-station they were probably doing the city a favor. Waiting for that apology. They probably caused the cooling tower go down last year too.
First Energy Stockholder
Everyone here is missing the point.
The point is communication!
How many of us called the power plant or city hall and got a busy signal or nothing at all. The world doesn't stop because it's a holiday.
We used to get somebody who told us what was going on. The city left many people in the dark repeatedly for several hours in very cold weather with no explanation.
Yes, people are angry.
If the city would have had a recording stating what was wrong I am sure many of us would have been more than patient but we heard nothing.
Rita and Council missed a golden opportunity here.
Efficiency in city government........
isn't that an oxymoron?
The last I knew the City Manager worked for council,she hires her own department heads. Now if the Fire Chief wants to requisition new equipment he asks the city manager, if it is approved it will be put in the budget. O.K. so far. Just what kind of Fire Technical Vehicle did he want? What were the specifications? i.e; a Ford F-450 crew cab, four wheel drive? what kind of fire equipment installed and who will build it? How about a picture?
Sorry chief, I think the day of an easy yes votes are over. Even in the citys manager report it was mentioned that the vehicle would never reach $150,000. Why than ask for that amount in the budget? If you get the vehicle I heard described, it should come in at around $70,000. Leaving the city with a "slush fund" of $80,000 to move around later in the year, for other projects and stating this money was already approved in the budget.
After the no vote Council President Hada mentioned that vehicle and amount of money was already approved in the budget, am I to believe everything requisioned in the budget becomes written in stone?
To the person worried about their house burning down, thats not what this vehicle would be used for.
"I am sure the city manager will get a letter of apology from First Energy to print in the Painesville Newsletter, right?"
How about a letter of apology from this site?
"am I to believe everything requisioned in the budget becomes written in stone?"
If you are going to vote for 150,000 in the first place, why not vote for the 70,000 later and be happy it didn't cost 150?
A presentation by the fire chief should have been made.What is the purpose of the truck, a description, and a more "ballpark "cost. If that was in their packets let the people know. I believe that will work for everyone.
Apology to whom? My family sat in the dark Monday and were out of power Sunday. The city agrees to supply me with electricity. I can only purchase it from them. I don't want excuses or play the blame game. Just lights!
If you are going to vote for 150,000, why not vote for 70,000 later and be happy it didn't cost 150?
Now you should run for council.
TERM, I have noticed that you have not been posting my comments. I am sure you have your reasons and wonder what they may be. Not sure what you are afraid of by posting my opinions but, for whatever the reasons, message received. JT
"Now you should run for council."
I am assuming this was meant sarcastically but the point was why vote for it in the first place if you weren't going to vote for a cheaper version down the road. The logic of rejecting the cheaper version while approving the expensive version escapes me.
"Apology to whom?"
An apology for blaming the city when first energy was the problem. You are so quick to bash the city but you never retract it when it isn't their fault.
Yes you should be upset you had no power but blame the correct party. Don't just bash the city regardless of fault. Show some maturity and objectiveness and help build your own credibility by admitting you were wrong about the city providing poor service. This shows your bias.
JT. I post everything I receive, I have other people tell me sometimes their posts don't come up. I apologize for your inconvenience but when you send a post make sure a yellow box comes up in the corner stating your comment will be posted shortly. I have noticed it doesnt always come up and you must resummit.
Term,Maybe you loose posts because the power goes off so often? Theirs your excuse.Blame First Energy.
I will try and pat better attention to things in the future, but it seems that now the system is working fine. JT
Fire Technical Vehicle:
From what I heard at the council meeting, the vehicle was not voted down, it was just put on first reading so Hal and Andrew have a chance to look at what their vote is buying. I personally agree. Lets take a look and see. Does 2 weeks really make that much difference?
Electrical Outage:
More than 1 person messed up here. First Energy were supposed to have made a change in our sub station months ago and did not. Shouldn't we have checked that the change had been made? When the cable guy comes to fix something at your house, don't you check the TV works before he leaves?
PERCEPTION I believe thats all TERM was trying to show the people that view this site.
The comments posted on the News Herald site, true or not is what people in our community and surronding areas think of our town.
The important thing is we change the perception of our city and its electric company. I noticed positive comments as well as negative in the comment section.
One poster comment was we need better communications, so employers,mothers and anyone else knows how long the outage will be for. I like the benefit of a municipal electric plant but its P.R with its customers needs improvement.
Diane
There is no way anyone can tell how long it will be off, sometimes it takes hours just to find where the problem is, it it not like all they have to do is plug it back in......
"it was just put on first reading so Hal and Andrew have a chance to look at what their vote is buying"
Really? They wanted to see what they were buying? Because it sounded like they wanted to see what they were replacing.
"Shouldn't we have checked that the change had been made?"
I'm not sure we have the authority to inspect their property. And how do you know they were supposed to have made a change a while ago? How do you know that failure to make that change is what caused this problem?
"PERCEPTION I believe thats all TERM was trying to show the people that view this site."
Misinformed perception is nothing to be spreading around. Term was just essentially spreading a bad baseless rumor about the city. Why does he want to foster this bad perception? Why does he want to continue to feed the perception by posting ignorant, baseless views? Maybe this perception would not be so prominent if he wasn't spreading the bad rumors himself. Maybe it would help if he did a big post saying how the city was not a fault and shame on those people for thinking so. But I don't believe it is his motivation to ever say anything to defend our city when it comes under attack because he is most often times the attacker.
Perception? What is your percepttion of the City of Painesville and its Schools? I know a lot of people in and out of the city that have a negative view of our town. Tell us your perception.
G.E.
I'll give my perception of something when I feel it is relevant. Your question isn't even very specific. I don't know how you got from the power plant to the schools. I don't know why my perception matters on this topic in relation to the discussion. You are chaning the subject because you obviously can't participate in the discussion as it was going. Or can you? Do you have anything to add about whether misinformed perceptions are a good thing to be spreading around? Is it good to foster and spread false rumors?
Please this blog, has been up for over a year. Please point out all the misinformation I have spread. Not in the comment section but in the original posts. My "perception" over the weekend was that I didnt have electricity for part of Sunday and Monday. Was that the wrong perception or was that a fact? Oh, and I agree with one poster I pay the City of Painesville not First Energy so tell me who I should send my check to?
This was a poor argument. You are changing the focus because your initial reaction - to blame the city - did not work for you. You spread bad rumors. Yes you correctly perceived that you had no power (congratulations you figured out how to open your eyes) but you then followed your correct perception with an incorrect one - that the city was to blame.
"I agree with one poster I pay the City of Painesville not First Energy so tell me who I should send my check to?"
You exposed your ignorance of how the electrical system works. It is all interlinked and a problem in one network can cause outages in others. This also works to safeguard when your power suppier has a problem and limited output the other makes up the difference. You send your check to Painesville power because they provide your power regularly. If they have to ever get power from someone else to supply it to you, Painesville power buys it from them and you pay Painesville what I think is your normal rate. Just because you pay them does not mean it is necessarily their fault when the power goes out.
I don't know exactly what happened that day but it is apparent that you wanted desperately to blame the city and you turned out to be wrong. Man up and concede that you made a misinformed accusation.
Either that or get an education in how it all works and tell me how I am wrong and the city was really at fault.
Well what were the sounds coming from the electric plant on Sunday? last year when the cooling towers collapsing that was First Energys fault also. Instead of wanting to blame anyone maybe an offical explanation of what transpired over the two day period I posted a story and the comments along with it. If that makes me the bad guy O.K. I love standing in the shower at 6:35 with all the lights go off.
A retired electric plant worker called me a home and stated I should ask why both boilers were off line at the same time. So I will. You don't know what happened at the plant? but you know I want to blame the city with misinformation? I just want lights.
Mr./Mrs. do you know why both boilers were off line?
You have to wonder who's leaving all the comments' they know what caused the outage, whats in the packets, even know what people are thinking.
I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT THE POWER IN THIS CITY GOES OFF WAY TOO MUCH. 4 TIMES IN LESS THAN 72 HOURS? YES, OUR ELECTRICITY IS VERY REASONABLY, BUT,ANYMORE YOU DONT KNOW FROM DAY TO DAY WHEN IT WILL GO OUT AGAIN!!! INVEST OUR MONIES WISELY AND DO SOMETHING ABOUT THE GRIDS IN OUR CITY.
"A retired electric plant worker called me a home and stated I should ask why both boilers were off line at the same time. So I will."
Did you ask or did you just post the question on here? Did you want to get an answer or just post more allegations about the city screwing up on here? Did you email the city?
"I WOULD JUST LIKE TO SAY THAT THE POWER IN THIS CITY GOES OFF WAY TOO MUCH."
Well I would just like to say that when I lived outside the city it was worse. More outages and for a longer period of time. My opinion is not in all caps but I hope it is taken as seriously.
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