Sunday, July 27, 2008

SHOULD PAINESVILLE HAVE A MAYOR?

Should we change the form of government in Painesville to a Mayors form of government. I have heard pros and cons on this issue and just want to know your thoughts. Please do not view this as a slap at the City Manager, she could run for Mayor with her experience.
Right now 4 council people can hold all the cards on decisions on running the city. Just remember this would not be an easy undertaking and you woulds need more than 5 or 6 people to do it. I am just tired of the City of Painesville motto being "Our Hands are Tied" city. We could at least one public figure to go to, instead of the run around we seem to get now.

84 Comments:

At July 27, 2008 at 10:08 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You might have one person to go to but it might it be a popularity contest rather than the most qualified person like in an employment search? The person with the best education and experience for the job doesn't always pull the most votes and then you are stuck with the "prom queen". Seems like a big chance to take.

 
At July 27, 2008 at 10:12 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The way it is now you can turn to people interested in your ward with the most local interest not just one person who may have a bigger problem in another area to blow you off for or the larger interest of the city to deal with and not just you particular neighborhood.

 
At July 27, 2008 at 10:29 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I can't even get a response from my councilman or the city administration now, and when I do I am told to call my councilperson? Council is a part time job and they seem to want the city manager run everything and not be bothered.

 
At July 27, 2008 at 10:32 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mayor or Manager?
Willoughby has a great one.
Eastlake had big problems with theirs.

 
At July 27, 2008 at 10:45 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I've never had a problem getting in touch with my councilman. He has always been willing to come by my house as soon as possible. I would say if your ward council person doesn't respond don't forget to call the at-large council people.

 
At July 27, 2008 at 10:49 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I disagree witht the above anonymous. I think that if the right person was selected nobody's ward would get blown off but to try to set it up so you have one public figure to turn to or one public figure ultimately responsible is like putting all your eggs in one basket.

 
At July 27, 2008 at 11:36 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

A mayor would have to answer to the voting public, instead of answering to a few people on council. I think a mayor would be a good thing.

 
At July 27, 2008 at 11:47 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

ARLENE BECKS FOR MAYOR, she has the power....

 
At July 27, 2008 at 12:25 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

They can answer to the public but often times the damage is done by the time the term is over. The public only get to vote in in a while. Then, what if they make a bad decision but can still win the popularity contest? The people on this site might follow the goings on but does everybody? Council is at least forced to follow everything that happens.

I think it could be a good thing too but it's iffy in my mind. I'm just not convinced the potential positives of a mayor system outweighs the bad potentional here.

Well anonymous that is interesting. Would Becks be good? And of course the more important question, WHY would she be good or better than a city manager?

Don't argue why this particular city manager is bad because those arguments would work for any candidate. Why would BECKS be good? What are her qualifications? I could see myself throwing my support behind her if she is a qualified person for the job

 
At July 27, 2008 at 12:51 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think mayor would be a great idea. As it is now the city manager isn't listening to the public's wishes. Might as well take our chances with a mayor. At least they'd be up for re-election ever few years. As it is now, we are stuck with our city manager.

 
At July 27, 2008 at 1:19 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Nobody is stuck with the city manager. Every two years there is an election where the votes on council required to change the city manager are up for grabs. A mayor I doubt would have a term of less than 4 years. That's twice as long to be waiting to have a mayor answer to the voters.

 
At July 27, 2008 at 1:31 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think we have to take our chances with a mayor when we can take our chances with other council people who are already up for election.

Maybe she does listen to the public. Just because it doesn't come out the way you want it doesn't mean that it isn't what the public wants. The squeaky wheel can't always get the grease in a democracy. Its just like the pledge issue. Some squeaky people got control and the pledge was no longer said.

 
At July 27, 2008 at 1:33 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I don't think its right to call those people a squeeky wheel because they didn't want to say the pledge. They were just asserting a constitutional right.

 
At July 27, 2008 at 1:35 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Arlene is in tuned with the people of Painesville and can ask the hard hitting questions!! (she get results).....No other person on council ask as many questions. We need more people like her.... She can get the simplest to the most complex questions answered.. She understands the needs and wants of Painesville

 
At July 27, 2008 at 1:37 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The people actually reciting the pledge were exercising a constitutional right also. Why should we trample on that?

 
At July 27, 2008 at 1:44 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

How is she qualified though? She can ask questions but can she answer them when she is the one being asked? Just knowing people in the city isn't enough. Just knowing people makes it a popularity contest. Lets hear a resume with some qualifications on it, like someone apply for a job.

 
At July 27, 2008 at 1:48 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are right we shouldn't trample on it and that's why its so great we are saying the pledge again. Now about those who keep prayer from the schools...

 
At July 27, 2008 at 3:39 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You have got to be kidding,
Arlene Becks for Mayor.
She can't remember the things that they have coverd for more then 1 or 2 meetings, the questions she ask most of the times, have been answered many times, she just can't remember.
The Grand River Ave. crap was just her trying to look as if she is doing something, she can't do her job on council, how in the heck could she be in charge ?

 
At July 27, 2008 at 3:42 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Yeah,
let's have a Mayor, so you all can complain about that.

 
At July 27, 2008 at 3:47 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

VOTE FOR RITA

 
At July 27, 2008 at 5:23 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

What this city lacks is Leadership, as a former city employee I can tell you that alot of good people left because the present administration in unqualified, sour grapes? Ask to see the managers resume. She answers to the Law Director that is the real Wizard of Oz. Council is a popularity contest, and most members are self serving. Get a leader and watch things change. How many conversations has the present Council President had with the new councilman or any of the other ones? Who knew about the JEDD besides Rita, and the 2 Joes?
Glad to be Retired.

 
At July 27, 2008 at 5:32 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

You are so full of it, so glad you are gone.....

 
At July 27, 2008 at 5:43 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I'm glad to be gone, What happened to the Finance Directors, Fire Chief ECT. There glad too.
She has lost control of the ship and soon it will be very easy to see.
RETIRED

 
At July 27, 2008 at 8:41 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Keep on drinking

 
At July 28, 2008 at 6:44 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

“What this city lacks is Leadership, as a former city employee I can tell you that alot of good people left because the present administration in unqualified.”
As a former city employee myself, I wish I could have stayed. People may have left but I tend to doubt it was solely because the administration was “unqualified”. I doubt they went to the administration and said “What school did you go to?” “Where have you worked before?” “What experience do you have?” and then quit because they didn’t find the answers satisfactory. There seems to be more to this story or your story that you aren’t telling…

“Ask to see the managers resume.”
Whose Rita’s? I am SURE it is better than anyone who gets elected mayor. (not saying it is the best or even that she deserves the job but…) I am sure she went to school for this stuff. Any candidates for mayor that went to school for public administration or finance? If you don’t like hers then hire another person with a better resume.

“She answers to the Law Director that is the real Wizard of Oz.”
This is just ridiculous. Are you saying the law director secretly runs the show? She may turn to him for answers to legal questions but that is all. Are you one of those conspiracy theorists? Do you think the members of the administration are all members of the illuminati? She answers to the law director? If she doesn’t do what he wants he will fire her? You need a lesson in the structure of government. Like I said, he answers legal questions. Take your conspiracies elsewhere.

“Council is a popularity contest, and most members are self serving.”
Council maybe a popularity contest, but why trade seven of them for one. Why put all your eggs in one basket? We should have at least one person with a resume for the job. Most members are self-serving? Who has profited from their role on council? It would be tough to name 1 and you said most. Nobody is making money from this and their pay is too low to cling to the job just for income. I believe the people on council are the people on this blog are both people genuinely concerned about the city. Some have different ideas about where it should go, some are right and some are wrong, ok, but all of us and all on council genuinely care and I believe are trying their best to do a good job. It is up to the voters to decide if their best is good enough.

“Get a leader and watch things change.”
Ok, fine, elect leaders. But elect the right ones or things will change for the worse.

“How many conversations has the present Council President had with the new councilman or any of the other ones?”
I don’t know, do you? Your question insinuates little conversation but unless you are a councilman saying "he won’t talk to me" then I can’t really accept what you are saying. Why should I believe you? Seems like they have meetings exactly for this purpose. They put them on tv, you should check them out. From what I’ve seen it seems like all council people need to do a little more work and pay attention regardless of whether they are president, older members, or the new ones. They can say they didn’t know something but if they SHOULD HAVE then it’s on them.

“Who knew about the JEDD besides Rita, and the 2 Joes?”
I don’t know, do you? Again you are imply some type of conspiracy here. Others probably did know. If they didn’t, then the 3 should have talked more, but I still don’t get your point. What is bad about the JEDD?

“Glad to be Retired.”
I’m glad too. This is not just a message to you but to all, please don’t cheapen the blog by posting things that look like supermarket tabloid headlines. Come with facts or meaningful discussion about where you think this city should be headed. Baseless accusations are nothing more than mud slinging. I think the guy who runs this blog and its readers deserve a more meaningful discussion. New challenge – Let’s come up with something that council can’t say no to. Something so positive for the city that its bound to help. Maybe another event like Party in the Park. Maybe an event featuring local cuisine, who knows. Lets draw some people here.

Sorry for the long post, but it should mean a lot to everyone that something POSITIVE is accomplished.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 6:58 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

dude do you have a job, who has time to write that much

instead, we could talk about possible candidates for mayor. we could take it down that positive road, maybe?

or maybe getting someone to institute a prayer or two in schools?

 
At July 28, 2008 at 7:02 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Would you quit it with the prayer in schools. The pledge is ok but prayer is impossible without slighting some religion and even if you don't there has to be some separation of church and state. Someone should look up a little history on the countries that failed to separate the two and how that ended up for them. I've seen someone post on here before who seemed like a history buff.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 7:36 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHAT HAPPENED IN PAINESVILLE BETWEEN 8 AND 9PM LAST SATURDAY NITE THE 26TH OF JULY.? ALL THE POLICE WERE DISPACHED TO A CERTAIN AREA OF TOWN FOR A EMERENGENCY. NOTHING IN THE PAPER SUNDAY OR MONDAY. WHY??????????????

 
At July 28, 2008 at 7:46 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

check out the business on the corner of washington and south state street, with the capanoy over the sidewalk. this is against the ordiances of the city,but! why are they allowing them to continue to leave it up? the police dept. says they have permission. not a permit, but permission! what is this?what does permission mean???????????is this our leadership at work?

 
At July 28, 2008 at 7:54 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Arlene Becks for Mayor? Are you kidding me?

The whole idea of separation of church and state doesn't even appear in the constitution. It has been made up by a meddling Supreme Court. I'm not for prayer in school, and I'm actually an atheist, but the whole "separation of church and state" has gotten out of hand. A city can't even put a nativity scene up at Christmas without facing a lawsuit.

As for the history of countries that don't separate church and state, Vatican City seems to be doing fine.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 8:03 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Has anyone called the paper about the police incident? Maybe they could do a little investigative reporting. With the canopies, do we know if we have called a council person to look into it? Call the council people and see if we can get an answer by the next meeting. It’s quite something to assume corruption before we get their side of the story. Maybe the police department wasn’t the right place to go for answers.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 8:17 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If someone has an argument for Becks Let’s hear it! Then people can respond. I see a good lively debate in the works.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 8:19 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Does the city NEED to put up a nativity scene? Why can the Churches just do it on their property? There are two churches right on the square. If you put up a nativity scene you should put up a Jewish display too. Why leave out that group of our society? Why pick one religion over another?

Some countries imposed a national religion and forced it elsewhere too, that it didn’t turn out well and was a black mark in the world’s history – the inquisition, the crusades, etc.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 8:29 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

A two year old was hit and killed by a car. I still am waiting to see it in the news.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 8:43 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The City doesn't need to put up a nativity scene, just as it doesn't need to do many things it does. The City doesn't NEED to host a fishing contest. The City doesn't NEED to run Little League. The City doesn't NEED to host a block party.

This country was founded on the christian faith, but now the courts want to run it out of the country so we don't offend a few people.

Where in the Constitution does is say that we have to put something up for every religion if we put something up for one? I don't see it. The judiciary has been out of control for decades.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 9:23 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you have something against the Jewish faith? Why can't we put up something? We don't need to put up a nativity scene but if we do why can't we respect others too. I don't care if we have to or not, but why cast others to the background for a "chosen" religion.

The country may have been founded with a repsect to a higher power but it was not founded solely for the purpose of practicing Christianity.

Maybe it was the other branches that were out of control for a long time and the judiciary is finally restoring the balance. You mean to tell me you know the constitution better than they do? Did you go to law school? Did you ever practice law? I can't claim to have the knowledge they do, but I can respect them. If we went by the letter of the constitution ONLY, I think you'd be surprised as to what you'd be giving up.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 9:26 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The CITY doesn't run Little League. In fact, Little League must pay the city for the use of the fields. That fee is included in the fee each player pays to play. The league has it's own board (all volunteers) and buys all it's own equipment. Same for TeeBall. The only thing the city does is provide the fields in the park, that the city owns, for a fee. No city employees are hired and paid to run the league. The city just maintains their property and rents it out to the league by collecting a per play fee.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 9:33 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The City does not put up nativity scenes, what are you talking about ?

The city does not run little league.

To the long post above, THANK YOU.....

Arlene would not make a good Mayor, she is not even a good council person

 
At July 28, 2008 at 10:00 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Being a council person doesn't automatically qualify said person to be a mayor. Being a city manager doesn't necessarily qualify anyone to be a mayor either. A good mayor should be a combination of the two. A mayor must have some public administration or finance background and the ability to manage employees and to listen to the public. Certainly, we could elect a mayor and provide an assistant with the necessary public administration background and have a city government much more responsive and responsible to the needs of the public than what we have now. Cheaper? Just think, a person who sits between council and the people who answers to both the people and council and is up for review every election. The possibilities.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 10:50 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Going to law school and being an attorney is not a qualification to be on the Supreme Court.

I didn't say that Painesville puts up a nativity scene. The point was going back to the school prayer issue. My point was that cities can't do anything anymore to respect a religion without getting sued.

Someone asked whey they "NEED to put up a nativity scene," and my point was that the city doesn't NEED to do most things that it does, including providing baseball fields.

If we went by the Constitution only, we wouldn't be giving things up, we'd be getting rights back. The document has been distorted by the courts, the ACLU, and many other people and organizations.

I have nothing against the jewish faith that I don't have against any other religion. I think all religions are bogus, but the fact remains that this country was founded based on christian beliefs, and now because a few people get offended, we have to throw all of that out the window.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 10:55 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It should be "majority rule" not "one crazy liberal rule"

 
At July 28, 2008 at 12:57 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If Rita made everyone happy, No one would be happy.
I would vote for Rita as Mayor anyday.
She runs a tight ship, and that is why so many people complain.
A tight ship stays a float.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 1:26 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

A tight ship can also squeeze the life out of you!

 
At July 28, 2008 at 1:34 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I agree completely Badger. I good mayor should be a combination of the two. But if we are going to rely on an assistant to run the public administration and finance side then what is the mayor going to do? If the Mayor is then responsible for listening to the people and ultimately answering to them and council both as you said, then aren’t we just adding a council person at-large with a little more authority? Why would this system be any more responsive to the needs of the public than our current system is? Why add one more person, one more complication? Won’t this just add to the gross inefficiency our government already operates under? I don’t think a structural change would do as much good as you think.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 1:37 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

To anonymous who says the city doesn't NEED........

Then you need to tell Rita to sell Rec Park and let it go back to nature too. We don't NEED it any more. Then we will have 6 hundred kids roaming the streets with nothing to do during the summer. Gee, the city doesn't NEED the square either. More land for the squirrels and they will be that much closer to the nuts in city hall.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 1:38 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I think there is no need for a structural change or a change of city manager. I think that complainers on this blog are a minority. I think the current city manager is doing a good job. These people only seem to have questions and accusations and no substantive alternatives for change. They look for fault in everything. I is virtually impossible for a city administration to do EVERYTHING wrong. Prove you aren't just a whiner. What has this administration done well? and not just things you like about the city, but positives the administration has done well

 
At July 28, 2008 at 1:40 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Do you think that a tiny little display of a nativity scene is as important to the city as those things you mentioned? You can blow things out of proportion if you want but I think anyone can see your argument is a bit ridiculous

 
At July 28, 2008 at 1:47 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I know, a lot to consider. We have two people now. An assistant that will be familiar with the day to day activities and help the mayor. When a new mayor is elected, a smoother transition could be made. This assistant would answer to council and not the mayor. Just thinking here. Needs to be thought about before going to a mayor system.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 1:51 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

No law school is not a requirement for the Supreme Court but do you think any of them operate without a knowledge of the law and previously decided cases? This is the knowledge you and I both lack.
We would be giving things up by going be the letter of the constitution. The courts have expanded upon what was intended as a living document. The Constitution was written a long time before segregation was ever struck down, assuming it was allowed to happen because the constitution did not bar it, then didn’t we REALLY NEED the court to interpret the constitution to give civil rights to the different races?
I don’t care what beliefs it was founded on or what church the founders attended. Just because a few guys went to the same church or that we haven’t had a jewish president doesn’t mean we have a national religion. You harp on the constitution but the constitution and the amendments were created BECAUSE this is a democracy and it was foreseen that a majority could oppress a minority. It was founded to protect the rights of those in the minority. To protect those right that should be given to every person on the planet going back to the magna carta.
The above argument also applies to this guy – “It should be "majority rule" not "one crazy liberal rule"” You have no idea the concept of our nation.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 2:06 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Badger, sir, you have an excellent point for a couple of reasons. 1. We do have two people now and the assistant would make a transition easier. The assistant is a great guy and I believe he not only could make the transition easier but could even serve as mayor.
2. Your second great point: This does need to be thought about A LOT before making a transition. We also need to think about the reasons for making the change. They can’t just be because we don’t like the way things are going. There must be a true need for a structural change. I think a city manager form of government can perform phenomenally and be more efficient that a mayor with more qualified, educated people making decisions. That is my view. BUT I have a certain quality most people don’t. I have an open mind. I can be convinced otherwise but good reasons would be needed. I am open to hear them and weigh them if you (speaking to all) would oblige me with having an open mind to do the same when an opinion contrary to yours is presented. Badger you come up with some of the more intelligent posts on here. I really respect that.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 2:48 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

WHAT PART OF THIS QUESTION HAD ANYTHING TO DO WITH PRAYER, RELIGION, QUESTIONING ANYONES FAITH? BELIEVE WHAT YOU WISH. WE HAVE OVER 22 CHURCHES IN TOWN IF YOU NEED A NATIVITY SCENE IN VETERAN PARK TO HAVE FAITH IN YOUR BELIEFS, THERES A SPECIAL PLACE IN HEAVEN FOR YOU. WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT BELIEFS AND THE FOUNDING FATHERS WANTED PEOPLE TO PRACTICE THERE RELIGION WITHOUT INTERFERENCE FROM THE GOVERNMENT. MEANING NO STATE SPONSORED RELIGION. THERE IS PRAYER IN SCHOOLS TODAY. I PRAYED EVERYDAY, NO ONE HAD TO KNOW. GOD DIDNT ANSWER ALOT OF THEM, MY GRADES STILL SUCKED.
A SMALL CHILD WAS KILLED IN YOUR TOWN OVER THE WEEKEND. PREVENTING IT FROM HAPPENING AGAIN SHOULD BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANYTHING ELSE RIGHT NOW.
TERM>>

 
At July 28, 2008 at 2:51 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

AMEN

 
At July 28, 2008 at 3:26 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

A mayor is accountable to his constituents, a city manager is acccountable to city council, whom are accountable to their wards. If people truly want to change this in Shangri La I'm sorry Painesville start at the bottom of the political food chain and work your way up.

commodog236

 
At July 28, 2008 at 3:29 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Amen is the perfect response. Do we know what happened? OR how we can prevent it?

 
At July 28, 2008 at 3:44 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

commodog236, the truth will set you free and I believe you are preaching it. The bottom of the political food chain is the voters. The voters need to see the truth, but not one side's "truth". It goes back to the old saying there are 3 parts to every story. I think some people on here are distant from that middle truth we call reality. Who knows, sift through the BS and when the voter gets the real truth, I think they would decide not a whole lot has to be changed. (boy am I going to get flamed for this, by all those who dream up conspiracies and make factless insinuations and pose questions that imply corruption where none exists.) But for them to give me a little credit - Yes changes do need to be made, don't get me wrong, I just choose to look at the facts and decide on a case-by-case basis whether each decision of council is right or wrong. I don't assume they are always wrong like some people on here. And you know what you do when you assume. I only ask to meet me in the middle with an objective view.

I feel bad having written that. I think it just takes the focus away from the real important questions posted above. What happened with the the small child our community lost?

 
At July 28, 2008 at 4:11 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is not the place to be spreading rumors about what happened with that child.
Please just say a prayer.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 5:49 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

If you dont want rumors someone should give us facts. I cannot believe this even happened, if it had it would have been in the newspaper and all of the local T.V. stations. I have no idea where term is going with this but its sick.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 5:55 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not everything gets in the news.....

 
At July 28, 2008 at 6:03 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

A woman I know was in the hospital that evening and something did happen to a small child. It is very sad.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 6:12 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

It is very sad, all being residents, I wonder if I knew the family. I did not mean to pry, I was just wondering if there was a dangerous intersection or something. I will say a prayer and if someone knows the family please extend our sympathies.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 6:26 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Watch WKYC Channel 3 at 11:00p.m. tonight to get the story and say a prayer for little Dustin.
KAREN

 
At July 28, 2008 at 6:53 PM , Blogger Sandy Miller said...

I watched the last council meeting last night...... or at least the best that I could follow what was going on. I am still mystified by all that happened. My concern for this city is the voters getting out to vote! Will enough voters even show up to elect a mayor? Will the voters turn it into a popularity contest; I believe so. I hold out little hope for anything getting done the way the council is split now. Those folks on Grand River Ave. will attest to that by the time the river rises again and they have no storm sewers. Thanks Ms Becks.

I also would like to suggest there be pre-council meetings so all council members know what they are voting on. Communicate! With the city manager, each other, department heads etc. Get Rita to send out the agenda a week earlier so council has time to prepare. Most have full time jobs on top of council.

It is difficult to understand what is going on at council as the audio is still so hard to understand. Why this hasn't been fixed is ridiculous. The meeting went on and on. Council only meets once a month in the summer, maybe this should be amended. The city certainly doesn't take the summer off and neither do the residents.

Communication seems to be broken on so many levels in this city. I do think there needs to be some house cleaning at city hall and the sooner the better. We are so top heavy in management and things are not getting better.

After watching the council meeting I don't know how any of us will get the truth by November.

MP

 
At July 28, 2008 at 7:27 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

MP. You got some excellent thoughts there. 1.I share your concerns of a popularity contest. 2.More meetings in the summer might be a good idea. 3.It is ridiculous that Gristmill project got delayed. The delay was not warranted. 4.Communication does need to improve. I know it would help with me and my wife. However, some council people are prepared. Some know what's going on. Getting the information to them a week earlier may help, but they still have to open it and read it. I believe the communication exists to let council members know what is going on. I just think some fail to do their job. If they have questions then they should ask BEFORE the meeting. If you give them in info to read and they have a problem, the problem should not be discovered at the meeting. The meeting should be a time to ACT. Or maybe get the newbies a tutor or a lesson in time management. If they have the info and still can't get the job done, that tells me the don't have the ability, or the time to be a council person, and as a result of either or both, it means they shouldn't be on council. I think some claim that they didn't know or were not given the information in enough time in an effort to pass the buck. I know I've done it at work, so it makes me suspicious. I don't have 18,000 people relying on me though.
Lastly, better audio should be important to everyone. It helps with the most important channel of communication - from council to the public. Maybe if it gets fixed we will have more concerned citizens like the ones on this site.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 7:48 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

No one can be this inept. The sound and the pictures are bad on purpose. The administration doesnt want you to watch and listen. OR The administration runs the city like channel 12. One or the other.How long has it been this bad?
Mr.Rellik

 
At July 28, 2008 at 8:07 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Am I missing something. Grand River Ave. isn't New Orleans. (no pumps) The storm sewers would drain to the river, right. So if the river floods high enough to flood the street where do the storm sewers drain to???

 
At July 28, 2008 at 8:41 PM , Blogger Sandy Miller said...

Ran this past the resident engineer and he said what was said at council is correct. The storm sewers would run at an angle to the river creating a vacuum and not letting water back up. Even if the river jumps it's bank it will still take water down and out to the lake. The cost of a baffle is wasteful.
A pump would also be wasteful. New Orleans is whole different ball game. The sewers continue to work depending on how fast the river is flowing. Have you ever been caught in a current or carried away by a current........ that force would work the same with water flow from Grand River Ave. Folks this isn't rocket science and it's affordable. The City already has the easement to the tune of $1200.00.

That said, the sewers should be placed this year and the road can be paved in the spring.......... this is common in the world of construction and done all the time. I don't understand why council was at such odds to get everything done at once. Yes, that would be nice but that is not always how it works. Top priority should be drainage of standing water on Grand River Ave.
MP

 
At July 28, 2008 at 8:54 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Mr Killer, The sound problem was becuse someone moved the mic. and it was hitting the stand, not done on purpose.
Just go away......

 
At July 28, 2008 at 9:00 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The Gristmill project was not delayed.
The Grandriver Ave. project was delayed.(thanks to Becks)
The Millstone project is on hold due to the lawsuit they filed, they may not get that done for years.

 
At July 28, 2008 at 9:19 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

The little boys death was accidental, some kids were playing in a car and took it out of park. he was 19 months old, this happend on S St Clair the boys uncle took him to the emergency room.

 
At July 29, 2008 at 3:31 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Madpotter, The concern of some of the resident on Grand River Ave. was the City wanting to take the 250 feet of trees about 20 large ones at the end of the street. Residents seem to think this natural barrier stops debris from coming down their street when it floods. Ask the resident engineer if this make sense or would it even make a difference? They all seem to want new storm sewers and the street repaved. Do the trees have to be removed?
TERM>>

 
At July 29, 2008 at 4:42 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just let everything stay the same down there on Grandriver Ave. See how the tree huggers like that.

 
At July 29, 2008 at 5:03 AM , Blogger Sandy Miller said...

If they only take out 7 trees or less as stated at council by Ms Rita there should not be a problem. I love that place where she states every tree they don't remove saves money for the contractor..... It costs about $50 to take a tree out. Past experience, contractors don't care unless somebody is watching them or they pay out of pocket. Contractors make money when they get in and get out, period! They take out what they want.

What the residents should do is have one of the guys from Soil and Water Conservation District (and their office is right across from the jail) walk down there and take a look, it's free for Pete-sake. Put a dollar value on each tree and mark it with spray paint! If any trees are removed by accident the homeowner would get a pay off. The trees are more valuable than you might expect. Don't even get me started on the trees in this city......fuming mad about a maple they planted under power lines on my tree lawn, talk about no future ...... but never-mind...... If they take out all the trees at the end of the Grand River Ave, big problem. There is alot of debris that comes down that river and the residents are correct in saying it keeps that stuff off the street. It also save the city money because they would have to go there and clean that mess up each and every-time it floods.
MP

 
At July 29, 2008 at 5:04 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

At council Rita said that no all the trees had to be removed. Maybe only 3, and worst case 6, I think she said. Haven't been down Grandriver in years. How many trees are down there? Would losing 3 make that much of a difference?

 
At July 29, 2008 at 5:07 AM , Blogger Sandy Miller said...

Thats why you call in Soil and Water! They know their stuff....... they are professionals.

And yes 3-6 trees can hold up a bank through their root structure, not to mention holding back a ton of driftwood and junk from upstream.

 
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At July 29, 2008 at 4:02 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Not everything gets in the news....In a free society who in Painesville decides what we get for news? The Manager, Police Chief,Law Director?

 
At July 29, 2008 at 6:15 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

That is GREAT question!
I spent quite a bit time going through each and every department on the cities website and I don't see anyone responsible for press releases unless it's a pro-Painesville ......... like Economic Developement or Rita gets another award.

So unless the press is tipped off or they are reading the blog........ stuff falls between the cracks.

 
At July 29, 2008 at 6:24 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Becks would not be a good Mayor.

I bet these gets removed too

 
At July 29, 2008 at 6:31 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

She might be good as a liason between government and citizens because she does listen and respond to emails.

 
At August 2, 2008 at 12:21 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Councilman going to view a barn thats been abandoned for 2 years with a policeman and his car on his lunch hour. Just coincidental that another councilman is talking to people on the same day? Hope they come to my house I need a good laugh.
Mr. Rellik

 

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