HARVEY HIGH SCHOOL
More good news. I've been e-mailed that starting this school year, student will start their morning with "THE PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE" Great news its been over 20 years.
posted by terminator1 @ 9:10 PM
43 Comments
43 Comments:
This is good news. The pledge will be recited the first day of the week and on any patriotic holidays. I wish it was daily, but this is a start and it is awesome. It will be accompanied by an appropriate patriotic video theme broadcast concurrently. I want to thank Dr. Hanlon and the School Board for reinstating this important tradition back into our schools.
SUE
Couldn't agree more. I graduated in 1997, and I think we still recited the pledge at Riverside.
Imagine that, being patriotic in America...wonderful news!!
This is great news! I am thrilled!
I hadn't even realized the pledge was not being said until I heard that on the televised school board meeting. I was appalled. This is a great day. Yes, thank you Dr. Hanlon. You did the right thing here.
I am a student at Harvey, I am also not a citizen here, why should I have to be subjected to this? Your all phoneys.. I thought this was a free country.
It is a free country but thousands of young men and women have and will give there lives to protect that exact freedom. The pledge honors those individuals. Me and my father both served in the military and are American Legioneers and are honored to say.
If you don't want to be subjected to it do what any other citizen has the right to do LEAVE.
Subjected to this? This country has allowed you to stay here and has been so good to you. You should be the first one standing to say the pledge and thank the men and women who have given their lives so you can be here and be an ungrateful moocher. If you don't want to be subjected to this then go home to where you came from.
I doubt that post was real, but if it was, why should a country provide you with a free education if you are unwilling to show your allegiance to the country? Why should this country have an allegiance to you, if you don't to the country.
Amen to that! Exactly what I was going to say. You are getting a free education from us and you won't even respect the flag of the country that is paying your way. Is your mom and dad legal? Probably not. You better count your blessing that they haven't been deported yet.
I see term. is deleating what he only, wants us to read,
Tell us what was wrong with the post, were they said to send them back ?
I don't see a post above that was deleted.???
Anyone who complains that saying the Pledge is wrong or that they shouldn't be subjected to a moment of respect to those who have given so much to have the freedoms that all Americans enjoy have very little respect for the values that our country provides. If you don't want to recite the Pledge then at least stand quietly while the rest of the people recite it. If you want respect, you need to earn it by showing the proper respect yourselves.
anti pledge anonymous, you and people like you make me so angry. You are the ones that cause problems between the races. Why did you come to this country? It obviously was much better than your country or you would have stayed there. You came here to take what you could get, a free handout. Well, I for one am sick and tired of the free handouts to ungrateful people like you. Your statements are opening a lot of eyes. You better watch out or your free ride will end.
When I was in Canada on an extended vacation (months living with a Canadian family)I certainly took advantage of all the perks that beautiful country has. Their police protection, freedom to move around as I pleased and so many other things that many take for granted. And when their national anthem was played, I stood quietly and gave the respect due a country that had welcomed me and treated me well. And I cannot imagine anyone that could be so disrepectful and ungrateful that they cannot respond in kind when in our great country. I agree with the comments above that suggest you show some respect or go elsewhere....
Sherry
I respect him for not saying the "PLEDGE OF ALLEGIANCE". Just sit there in silent respect, and just maybe a lesson will be learned by your American classmates. Maybe then they might learn that they won "Gods Lottery "by being an American citizen.
TERM>>
The Olympics are just around the corner and when a gold medal is awarded that winners national anthem is played. Guess what. Everyone stands out of admiration and respect. Why is it so difficult for some people here to do the same? Same as standing when an opposing schools alma mater is played. Just common courtesy. Since I am new here, I have been reading the older posts. Seems like showing any respect for the National Anthem and the Pledge of Allegiance is just too difficult for some. All I can say is if you want to be treated with respect then show some respect and at least stand and remain silent for the short time it takes to sing or recite. If that is too much to ask then don't cry racism or that you were shown any disrespect. Time to take some responsibility and be part of the community instead of using or complaining about it. Time to earn some respect.
You are too kind, TERM. I don't respect this person at all. Their attitude goes right to the core of what type of person this is. This is a person that will be content to take what they can their whole life. I agree with the posts that said you either show respect for this great country or you can get out. Too many people like you and this country won't be so great any more. Then who will be giving you your handout.
STEPHANIE
Good comments Badger. This reminds me of all the people that did not stand for our National Anthem at the 2008 Harvey graduation. Show respect. And the young man who came to a council meeting with his mother to ask for a zoning change on a house he wanted to buy. He absolutely refused (scowled and folded his arms) to say the Pledge of Allegiance. Here he was asking a favor of this city and he was already disrespecting us. Show respect. I do not ever want to hear you or yours cry racism, and I don't respect you.
Sarah
I think we all owe Sue a big thank you. This is a positive step forward for our schools and our students. I, too, join Sue in thanking Dr. Hanlon in bringing this important tradition back to our schools. This can be learning experience for all our students. What a great way to start the new school year.
To the Harvey student that isn't a citizen. Guess what. Freedom isn't free. Citizenship isn't a right. Respect isn't owed to you. They are earned. Time to learn what being adult member of society means.
This topic just got me fired up. The blog seems to be a place to complain about the negative. This is a very positive outcome. If you want to complain about things then you must also give credit when credit is due. SO
I want to thanks to Sue for taking this to the school board and fighting for what is the right thing to do.
Dr. Hanlon and the Painesville City School Board for listening and coming to a positive outcome for what can be a valuable learning experience for all the students.
This is what can happen when we all work together.
My hat is off to all concerned.
Badger
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Badger,
you are a voice of reason. Thank you.
SUE
I received an e-mail from the Lake County Republican Party with a link to the school boards letter.
http://www.lakegop.com/wp-content/gallery/misc/harvey-pledge.jpg
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pviller, only post one, this isn't the election where you guys like to press the button more than once.
TERM>>
You tell them, TERM
Term, you are doing an excellent job with this blog. No one can please everbody but I do know how the vast majority of the citizens of this great country feel about illegal immigration. Anyone and everyone is welcome into this GREAT country but they must follow our immigration laws period! No exceptions! No one is above the law.No one. Be a legal US citizen, speak one language- English, and always honor and respect the US Flag. Welcome to America!
Haha. Can't I say I couldn't understand how to operate it, like the old people in Florida?
Freedom of speech includes also the right not to speak or have someone else's speech attributed to you. Ok say the pledge but don't look down on the people who choose to sit out. I would say look up to them at least for a limited reason having the courage to exercise a right. I'm sure classmates of those who sit out will give them a hard time but that is awful in my mind. It is our FIRST amendment and arguably the most important. It is what makes our country great and the pinnacle of democracy in this world. To force those to join in contradicts the foundations of this country and our greatest patriots. Would I say the pledge? yes, but if I ever had something to say politically I would want others to respect that and listen. In fact I believe this is what this blog is about - having voices heard.
I somewhat agree with you, but if someone doesn't want to say the pledge, then they should either stand or sit silently and not cause a scene. When people try to start fighting the schools to even allow it, that is what really gets me mad. This country was founded on certain beliefs, and we can't throw them out the window because they might offend a few people.
I agree no scene need be made but you know the gossips and whispers that circulate in any school. I would say that most often times the scene is not made by the one sitting out but by the masses who join in with their mob mentality. Especially with Bush in office if someone can be deemed "less patriotic" they all of a sudden become the enemy. Its this "with us or against us" attitude that ruins the country like Joseph McCarthy did. We shouldn't foster those in the masses who target the one who excerise their free speech. The problem is that the majority is outraged by the act of sitting out. "how dare she not respect our flag!" There is a backlash against political correctness and sensitivity to others right now but that need not destroy enlightenment. In reality, both sides to this equation need to be tolerant. So if you are agruing for tolerance I 100% agree but it can't be selective tolerance. One of those founding beliefs was the importance of dissent from the majority.
Federal law prohibits forcing anyone to say the pledge, but everyone should at the very least stand quietly and respect the beliefs that this country stand for. I myself don't like it, but anyone will be allowed to quietly stand or sit for the pledge. They need to at least show respect. That is my right.
I think we are in agreement here. But the minute some one is ostracized for not participating they are being "pressured" to adopt your view. Don't ostracize them is all I am saying. I think the pledge can be conducted without undue pressure and as long as it is done without undue pressure then it is fine.
Reasonable?
True, but people are allowed to pressure others to come around to their beliefs. That is what happens on this blog. It is what happens in newspaper editorials, and it is what happens in presidential debates. There is nothing wrong with saying "hey, why don't you stand for the pledge" to someone.
True and that is not "undue" pressure. I agree with you. But insulting someone for not having your beliefs or intimidating them is not the proper way to do it. Say the country is great and why they should stand but don't call them garbage for not. (not accusing you or anyone else of calling anyone garbage, I was just illustrating)
My view on reciting the Pledge. When the National Anthem is played, people stand. Most of those people don't sing. Do I look down or ostracize them for not singing? NO. Do I sing? YES. On the Pledge, a moment of at least silence, whether sitting or standing, doesn't infringe on anyone's rights. It's just common courtesy. If anyone wants to exercise his or her rights to not participate, fine, then they should not disrupt the ones who do want to recite the Pledge. One minute or so a week of proper decorum is should not be too much to ask of anyone. As the letter from the school board stated, this was going to include a way to teach what the Pledge means and how it applies to everyone who lives here.
As Red Skelton said
"I've been listening to you boys and girls recite the Pledge of Allegiance all semester
and it seems as though it is becoming monotonous to you.
If I may, may I recite it and try to explain to you the meaning of each word?"
I
me, an individual, a committee of one.
Pledge
dedicate all of my worldly goods to give without self pity.
Allegiance
my love and my devotion.
To the flag
our standard, Old Glory, a symbol of freedom. Wherever
she waves, there's respect because your loyalty has given
her a dignity that shouts freedom is everybody's job!
United
that means that we have all come together.
States
individual communities that have united into 48 great states.
Forty-eight individual communities with pride and dignity and
purpose; all divided with imaginary boundaries, yet united to
a common purpose, and that's love for country.
And to the republic
a state in which sovereign power is
invested in representatives chosen by the
people to govern. And government is the people
and it's from the people to the leaders, not from
the leaders to the people.
For which it stands, one nation
one nation, meaning "so
blessed by God"
Indivisible
incapable of being divided.
With liberty
which is freedom -- the right of power to live one's
own life without threats, fear or some sort of
retaliation.
And Justice
the principle or quality of dealing fairly with others.
For all
which means, boys and girls, it's as much your
country as it is mine.
***~~**~~***
Since I was a small boy, two states have been added to our country
and two words have been added to the pledge of Allegiance...
UNDER GOD
Wouldn't it be a pity if someone said
that is a prayer
and that would be eliminated from schools too?
Now, is this so bad?
Nope not bad at all. I think it's great you don't ostracize others for not participating. Hopefully nobody else will either.
What a crock Badger.
Badger, you rock!
Badger, I agree with you 100%. People may not agree or participate, but they MUST respect the Pledge and the Flag in the country they have decided to live in.
God Bless America!
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