Sunday, October 20, 2013

"BLURRED LINES" robin thicke

Yes there are many things that look blurred in this Prairie State Energy Campus deal. Who presented the administration with what and when and why? Why would a city manager go on record stating that the cost of power from PSEC would cost $48.06 MW if not told this by someone? What possible reason would anyone defend this contract with rates as high as $104.04 MW?

During the last council meeting council-president gave a list of reasons why we still should support this Prairie State contract.
Let's clarify some of what he mentioned

First  the IEEFA is a conservation group but what numbers were left out? Where are AMP-OHIO's numbers? I agree with Ray Sternot lets see ALL the data.

That town in Missouri Mr. Hada mention Marceline bought 4 MW. and could not use it. So they got Missouri Public Energy Pool to buy their share. One catch Marceline has to send a check to Missouri Public Energy Pool for $22,000 a month for the next 45 months. What happens after the 45 months? The city is back in Prairie State why no 35 year contract here? Yet the Mayor claims this deal will save their city 6 million dollars. How do you spend $22,000 a month for nothing and save 6 million dollars?

Let's talk Moody's gave a favorable report? Well Moody's rated Enron A+ on the day they went belly up, what does that tell you? More Moody's. Paducah Ky. Power was downgraded from A2 toA3 due to the "take or pay" contract because of partial ownership share into PSEC. Moody's hopes is the long run this will be a successful venture.

Levelization is money "lent" to Painesville to keep the power at around a $73.00 rate per MW. The money used to do this must be paid back in full, no if ands or buts. They may not add to the debt, but Painesville is obligated to pay the levelization money back.

He also mention a study commissioned by the city manager from a Mr. Dwight Davis? with  concerns to Painesville Power. When I contacted the city manager for a copy of this report I was informed me he hadn't received the report yet and that Mr. Hada had only "verbally" conversed with Mr. Davis. Let's hope Mr. Davis was not the person that suggested Painesville join AMPGS and PSEC if he wasn't who was.

Yes council-president Hada is correct Painesville presently is the 10th lowest in electric rates now but we just paid for AMPGS over two million and PSEC only started producing power in 2012 does he believe or do you believe someone will be able to make that case in five years if we just sit on our hands?

Look what were we told when and by who? The former city manager didn't pull number's out of the air  who presented them to her? AMP-OHIO someone else ? Look if you were told something that wasn't true and I believe fraud was involved here, either by AMP-OHIO or Peabody Energy yet somehow almost 200 communities were stuck with a very bad deal. Is it so wrong to want to have someone look into this?

9 Comments:

At October 20, 2013 at 5:53 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you saying that before the AMP-OHIO deal, and without those charges taken under consideration, that Painesville is the 10th lowest in electric rates? Is that in this area, I'm assuming? Is that with the Power Factor included in those figures? I'm going to be shocked if that is so, because my electric bill is very high in my opinion. I was heating with electric heaters for a while, and I won't this year. Gas can't be any more expensive than what this electric is now. Again, is that with the mysterious Power Factor figured in?

 
At October 21, 2013 at 7:53 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

5:53 That's Mr. Hada's claim not mine. I don't know what factor's into assumption. Power Factor good luck ever trying to figure that out. Pluss we have money in the fund let's see that disappear.

 
At October 21, 2013 at 10:54 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I have to ask but I already know the answe. City Manager McMahon, as well as Council-President Hada it would be interesting to see their credentials on the knowledge of electric power? How can you get us involved in these crazy deals when you know nothing about power? Who did these two listen to? Where did the $48.00 figure come from? Why is the council -president defending what is a pretty well known fact was a bad deal?

 
At October 21, 2013 at 4:41 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I would like to see Council President Joseph Hada substantiate those electric rates. Since he is still making statements about how low Painesville's electric rates are, and he is now saying we are the 10th lowest, I would be curious to see that list for proof.

 
At October 25, 2013 at 1:02 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

P.S. to Hada: Make sure those comparisons include our infamous smoke-and-mirrors Power Factor, which nobody but you and the people in our electric department can seem to figure out.

 
At October 28, 2013 at 10:17 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I received my copy of Speaking of Painesville last Wednesday and the front page story was all about Public Power week. Electric Superintendant Jeff McHugh was quoted as saying "Painesville listens to the needs of the communnity". Great! I need to know how the Power Factor is determined. How about printing an exclamation and putting it our Utility bill or On-Line?

 
At October 29, 2013 at 11:01 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

10:17 you want an explaination? That's pretty much what everyone wants.
A step by step proceedure on how they arrive at the amount?
The gigs up boys.

 
At October 29, 2013 at 11:30 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Years ago at one of Andy's Townhall Meetings Electric Super. Tom Green told us that if we burn [cheap] coal in our boilers the power factor would go down because we wouldn't have to buy expensive power off the grid. Now we are told we can buy power cheaper than we can make it...but we don't buy power that is cheaper than we can produce it we buy power thru AMP-Ohio and pay thru the nose. Please explain Mr. McHugh, Mr. Carson, Councilmembers, Candidates, anybody???? These are our "needs". We "need" to know.

 
At October 29, 2013 at 11:48 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

11:30 I hope WE get an answer.
As I see it we can't produce it as cheap as we can purchase it on the open market. At the same time we are OBLIGATED to purchase Prairie State and other AMP-OHIO projects that we could produce cheaper but because of the 'locked in contracts' we have to purchase it. If I'm wrong please explain the process?

 

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