"OH, WHAT A BEAUTIFUL MESS" diamond reo
I kept thinking that as the council meeting progressed. Mr. Carson must have been thinking that or maybe he thought he was starring in an old Twilight Zone episode ?
Mr. Hada you have been on council 32 years or 32 minutes?
Mr. Lewis do you know any of these people?
Make a note; Everyone on council gets a Roberts Rule book for Christmas.
Can't get Streetscape right? Heck, we can't even write up a levy right?
Painesville will have 10 items on the November ballot. fire levy, police levy, road levy, along with 7 charter changes.
We bought 'VACTOR'... We hired someone for $45,000 to be a Senior Citizen something or other? No general fund money involved? Then why bring up the city employee contract guidelines? And if it's not Painesville money why are we involved?
No Sandy, sorry there is no physical battery. Only research and development, oh and a 4,000sq.ft. empty building bought and paid by Painesville taxpayers. You might be wrong the more meeting the more mistakes.
Feral cats, definition of a family, boarding houses, discrimination against people with something. Recovering addicts, we had it all last night.
Seriously councilman Flock presented a letter to council and the administration asking it to be sent to the Ohio Attorney General. Mr. Gurley said he would look it over, and wondered if the Attorney General should be the one to send it to? Well Mr. Gurley Esq. who in God's name would be better to send it to but the Attorney General? Something's not right here. We are losing tons of money possible over 2 million dollars a year on this contract. I don't blame anyone for voting for it. It was presented to council and NOTHING promised has come true. All you get from council and the administration are blank stares. WHY!
Council-President complained about "rumors" around town that we had 32 million dollars of 'proprietor funds' that could be used for road repair. I have never claimed that, but for some reason he was looking at me. Well Mr. Hada proprietor as a noun means ownership. In your 32 years have you ever tried to have the state status changed? Next month you will be asked where that money came from and what the purpose of it is and as long as you sit on that money deals like Meigs County, Prairie State will continue. Yes, it can't presently be used to fix roads. But than it can be used to pay mistakes you 'proudly' voted for. Maybe its your property to CYA?
Included will be the letter councilman Flock asked to be sent to the Ohio AG. If any of you can find a good reason why council and/or the administration would oppose this please let us know.
Mike DeWine Ohio Attorney General
Request the Ohio Attorney General to investigate several items related to Prairie State Energy Campus. Being in the public interest, Painesville City respectfully requests the Ohio Attorney General to conduct an investigation and audit of the Prairie State Energy power contracts along with the communities currently obligated under them to determine the following:
1) Whether the communities were given accurate and fully-disclosed information when they signed on to the Prairie State Energy Campus long term take-or-pay contracts.
2) Whether the Prairie State Energy Campus now threatens the fiscal stability of 60 Ohio municipalities including Painesville that are under the watch of the Attorney General.
3) Whether this Prairie State project now threatens other bonding arrangements throughout the state of Ohio.
4) Whether this Prairie State Energy Campus project, which literally involves billion of dollars in funds from Ohio municipalities and their ratepayers, has been transparent and above-board with its owners.
5) We as a community stand in solidarity with other Ohio municipalities that have sent you the same request.
Yes Councilman Flocks letter is almost an exact copy of the letter sent by Galion, Ohio to the Attorney General. We both have the same issue.
Now please explain why we would not send this letter to the Ohio Attorney General than who?
There are people in Painesville that serve on the Zoning, Planning, Safety and yes the Charter Review Committee that do this for no pay only to serve the community. These are the people we need to give special thanks to. The Charter Review Committee worked long and hard on these seven issues, you may agree or not with some of them but it does give the average resident an opportunity to express change or not some items.
On a final note Mr. Carson seems to be a friendly outgoing person. Before last nights meeting he introduced himself to visitors that attended the council meeting. Quite a change from what we are used to.
Oh, and he consumes nowhere near as much water as the last city manager during a meeting. Quite telling.
posted by terminator1 @ 7:43 AM
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Or, Mr. Carson can think what a bunch of stooges, I'm going to have it made here. The electric fund is to cover Joeys mistakes.
I have 4 college coeds moving in close by are they a family?
No letter will be sent because these people are all in bed with Amp.
What we are used to? Why on earth would Rita introduce herself to visitors? She knew everyone after being here. That was a dumb remark on your part.
8:46
At least you have co-eds. I could live with that (not really) because some of the houses, in R1 areas, have "recovering" addicts.
I am puzzled by the safety levies. If I understand it correctly, these levies would allow taxing of the citizens in excess of the 10 mills allowed by law. If I misunderstood, please correct me. If a 10 mill rate is all that is allowed, does this mean that other communities have to stay under that limit? IOW,10 mills is what everyone gets, now make it work.
I have said it before and I will repeat it here, ANYONE can do the job if they have all the money and all the personnel they "need". The trick is to get more done with less.
Government is the exception. They just think they can tap the tax payers every time there is a "crisis".
BTW, I agree with Ms Jenkins. Splitting the levies would seem to be a kiss of death to one or both of them.
My take away from the meeting is that the Law Director doesn't want to have to do any real work.
1) Divide the levies because that would mean he doesn't have to defend the City position to the Board of Elections.
2) The Courts have defined a "family" for the purposes of housing. Webster's means nothing any more. Besides, this must mean that R1 zoning is completely toothless. Just say that whoever moves into your R1 home is a "protected" class and the City will leave you alone.
3) He doesn't want to send a letter to the AG because he isn't sure that is the correct way to approach the issue? Maybe he should do some research and send it to whomever he finds IS the correct party.
Time for someone to move on. To be successful the new City Manager needs new blood around him.
2:22 Did the city law director read the levies? Does he know municipal law? If he decided to challenge the election board there would be no levies in November. What's his purpose exactly? Attorney for council? Seems he fail's in that regard.
Remember in 2005 we had a 3.9 mil Safety levy?
1:27 Rita's only concern was to four or five members of council. Where was she last night? Many members of the Charter Review were in attendance. The real reason for an assistant manager was so she wouldn't be troubled in the evening. Comparing the two Mr. Carson has an out going personality. It's easy compared to the former CM. Love her all you want the city is better off with her resignation/retirement.
If Joe Hada was honest with people who ask him about that 30 million dollars. He would tell them that money is my reserve for all the stupid mistakes He proudly votes for along with his stooges.
He in his career has cost Painesville more money than anybody else. What could be his proudest moment? Please January can't get here soon enough.
Yes, I started to listen to Joe about the 30+million dollars and then he went onto his bully pulpit ...... again. After watching this guy for too many years and council meetings there is nothing he has to say that I would believe so I walked out.
Between executive sessions, emergencies, public hearings I would love to see the entire audience stage a walk out or sit in or something to take back this city.
Term, you might be right on two meetings a month..... maybe meetings should be suspended until Roberts Rules is reviewed and read.
I am looking forward to Councilman's Flock's town hall meeting and hearing Mr Carson. Wonder if other council people will attend.
Mr Gurley........ I understand the need to review but now it will take a month to file the letter. Was it Mr Gurley who gave counsel to the old CM on the AMP contract. We asked before and never got an answer.
If you're not outraged you are not paying attention........ but you are paying taxes!
Now instead of complaining about all the mess. I have noticed this city love charts and graphs. I would love to see a chart or graph on our budget and when the hospital left, and other big companies. What was our tax base before the hospital moved out and how can we replace those dollars with another company.
The city is better without her? You sure are a mean little man to say something like that. What makes you think in a few years the new CM won't act the same way, especially with the likes of you always condemning everything they do or try to do.
The 2005 safety levy was for the fire dept not the police. This is why they are. Breaking it in twoa.then voters now what they are voting for
4:50 So to be honest the city should have called the 2005 levy a fire levy. Wonder why they didn't?
7:48 I tell you things here that people will verify stories in confidence to me. I believed them.
How many times at a council meeting were people told lies, or half-truths?
Please feel free to list all her accomplishments here on the Blog..
Maybe we will see an improvement with other government bodies after she and Joe are both gone? Remember that letter from Mentor? Remember not notifying council when Grand River backed out of an agreement?
Yes some blame for AMP deals, Fasson tearing down their office building, the hospital leaving even the present conditions of our streets are partly her responsibility.
All she did was abandon ship.
All of Painesville will be better off with new leadership at the city and schools. If not let's hope the residents do something faster.
The new leadership will be held accountable you can count on it.
Im glad Ms Jenkins voted no and I agree that by splitting them the voters will have to decide one or the other. Which do we need most? To be protected by the police or medical rescue and to save the house from burning to the ground? Not fair to decided between the two and should have been kept as a combined levy.
6:57 My guess with this split along with the knowledge that all three levies now cost 12% more, yet raise the same amount of money.
These levies will all lose.
What cost $91.00 will now cost property owners $105.00 Thank-you Governor Kasich.
Maybe Ms. Jenkins should have done her homework and all this could have been avoided? What we really need in council are people willing to tell the administration what and how to do it instead of the other way around. Disappointed? Yes I was told by her I would see a new way of doing things. She's right though it's worse.
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