Thursday, June 20, 2013

"COOL WATER " slim whitman

I have heard a lot of smoke and mirrors recently when it comes to Painesville's three utilities.
At the last council meeting the discussion focused on  'what would happen if the road levy fails?'
Talk of eliminating reciprocity to assessing people for street repairs. Listening from the audience what started as a question turned into a perceived threat?

Now the last time I checked there was about 230,000 people living in Lake County approximately only 19,000 of these souls have their own electric, water and waste treatment facilities. How's that working out for you?

I would like the city to take and have the water system analyzed  by an independent firm and evaluate the value of this resource to the people of Painesville. What is it's worth? Would anyone be interested in purchasing the facility? How would it affect the cost of water service to resident's and business?

Water is one of our most precious resources, that said ask, the people on Elm St. how it was that the city felt little responsibility in providing rust free water due to the age of the water pipes. I remember Councilman Flock setting a rusted filter in front of the city manager. Still until every resident along with business had a surcharge that raised residents there water bill  by $8.00 a month not one pipe was replaced.

Maybe its time to evaluate this water department to see what we can best use it for? Maybe it's time to move on? Another thing to consider is that in a few years Concord Townships water contract with the city will again go out for bid. If we loss that business what is the net worth of our water department? Can and will Painesville offer a lower rate to Concord than city residents?

As many residents have already seen the Electric Department has made mistakes. No I'll take that back,  the council and administration has made many mistakes one that cost the electric department 2 million dollars last December. Now we have built  a 4000sq.ft. building behind the electric plant for that Ashlawn Battery project and something is very wrong. Was the council fully informed before we spent that $400,000 on building that building thanks again to our former city manager not telling council the whole story?. What's going on? You could cut the air with a knife when that resolution was discussed at last Mondays council meeting. I get the impression that council and the administration would like this all to go away. I asked my councilman what's the deal? He informed me he couldn't discuss it? Now call your council person and see if you get the same answer?

It seems the only utility that seems to be run affectively is the waste treatment plant? Although by their own admission they are only running at 50% capacity. Another idea the city might solve the smell problem would be to plant Douglas Fir trees along the east side of the property this might solve that problem.

Would the selling of the water plant be a new idea for Painesville? Back in the early 60's Painesville owned it's own natural gas department this was sold to East Ohio Gas.

I guess I'm asking is our Water Department one of our 'sacred cows' and residents deem it more important than say living in Painesville working in Mentor and paying 2% income tax to them and then as Councilman Fodor suggested paying 2% to Painesville also? This could be accomplished with a simple vote of council.  Something to remember if you suggest raising income taxes on people and you presently get a income tax free pension it would be very easy to vote for this.

All I'm saying before we are subject to threats maybe we should think out of the box. Have I missed anything? If you believe this is a good or bad idea please lets us know and the reason's why.

23 Comments:

At June 20, 2013 at 7:21 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Are you suggesting that if the levies don't pass. Council acting on there own will resend reciprocity? Watched the council meeting I didn't catch that.

 
At June 20, 2013 at 10:07 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I wish someone would tell councilwoman Jenkins, to cover her microphone when she coughs.

 
At June 20, 2013 at 10:16 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

R.I.P. Slim Whitman

 
At June 20, 2013 at 2:05 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Anyone who runs for council should be asked about selling this asset, along with the question will you raise our taxes, or end reciprocity? It is time these people decide to make tough choices. So far there solutions don't work at least for me.
Maybe its time to have less sitting around at city hall, light plant, or riding lawn mowers around town?

 
At June 21, 2013 at 7:14 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

I heard that Councilman Deleone did not support the Levy request. Is that true?

 
At June 22, 2013 at 9:36 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

7:14 Councilman DeLeone was excused from last Mondays council meeting, I guess you could say 'technically' he did not vote YES to put the levies on the ballot.
That said I believe Councilman DeLeone will fully support both levies that will raise over a million dollars in taxes a year for at least five your.

I can only hope that he does not resort to lame talk like; I want to give residents an opportunity to vote on these levies. What exactly does that mean do we need the tax money or not?

 
At June 22, 2013 at 10:46 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

By not attending the meeting he can claim never to have supported these levies. In a future election no one can claim he never voted to raise peoples taxes?

 
At June 22, 2013 at 11:32 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

10:46 It just may be he had a perfectly good reason to be excused.
Let's give him an opportunity.

I guess my question to anyone running in November what plans do you have if one or both levies fail?

 
At June 24, 2013 at 12:48 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Concerning your original post where you state that you asked your councilman, Andrew Flock, about the Ashlawn Battery project, and he told you he couldn't discuss it -

I have been treated atrociously by the city - again - and I asked Flock, who is my councilman also, to look into it for me. He told me that he did get the information that I asked him to get, but that he could not discuss it, because that is what he was told. The information that I asked for had nothing to do with giving me other citizens' personal information, it only has to do with telling me if I was treated differently and, therefore, if I was abused by the city again, as I think I was. He has refused to give me the answer to that, based on the fact that he was told that he could not discuss it.

Now, I am assuming that the city workers (Unetic and some of the workers in the electric department) are culpable because, otherwise, they would have given me the information which would have exonerated themselves. There is no legal reason for me not to have the information as to whether I was further abused or not.

Someone needs to tell the city that they are here for us, the citizens, and that the citizens are not here for them to abuse and use. Someone also needs to tell Mr. Flock (besides me, because he clearly doesn't care what I think) that he works for the citizens, and he is not here to protect the city's abuses against the citizens. In fact, he is hired by the citizens - and he does not work for the city workers.

"He can't discuss it?!" What...is he working for the CIA, or maybe the FBI? He works for us, and he is not a child that needs to obey the law director, when the law director is immorally protecting the city and its workers over the citizens. And everyone in the city works for the city council. Mr. Flock is a member of city council, but does not seem to grasp this concept.

There is a lot of housecleaning that needs to go on in this city, and it is my opinion that it needs to start in the electric billing office with Unetic and some of his workers.

Still waiting for the answer to my simple question...

 
At June 24, 2013 at 5:37 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

12:48 Good question. I guess after sitting at Monday nights meeting and waiting for over an 1:15 for them to come out of executive session and watching how again we 'tabled' Ashlawn's resolution. I'm pretty sure this is the reason for the session. Why I don't know? only that we built the building an
Everything we were responsible for we did. Did the law director read the contract and inform that council that Ashlawn ONLY had grants for R&D and not the production of the batteries when the measure passed what four years ago? Was he or the past CM aware of this fact? Look beat-up Andy all you want but I'm pretty sure you won't get an answer from the other six council people (or anyone else).
In the overall view it seems councilman Flock is the only one that grasp the concept you mentioned. Remember he in obligated to follow the law.

To the council person that informed my daughter that 'please explain to your father we can't mingle city funds'. Well I know that. My question seems to be why haven't you even tried to change that instead of taking the easy and threating way out by simply asking me to give an administration more money to screw thing up worse?
Sorry not me.... this administration and it's professions I have lost all confidence in.

Question to this council person, do my ears deceive me during the two hottest days in Painesville has our electric power plant gone off line? I guess I'm to assume the 'Party at the Plant' was all show and no go?
This is how we operate? All show and no go?

It must not be all that important what only two council meetings in 75 plus day? Yes this is how to run a city. Put it on autopilot. AND council off line. What could go wrong? 12;48 there's your problem a council that well, you fill in the blanks.

 
At June 24, 2013 at 10:05 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is 12:48. You missed my point. Flock was told not to give me information, and the law was cited. I have read the law. What I am asking is not in violation of the law. But the city is protecting itself against a citizen it mistreated, so they told Flock that he cannot give me the information. Therefore, Flock is not giving me the information, which I have every right to have. He is the boss of these people that are abusing the citizens, and he is working for the citizens, and not these city workers. It's not his job to protect the city when it abuses those citizens, but to protect, inform and help the citizens. So I don't know what concept you think I said that Flock grasped, because there was none. He's following rules that don't need to be followed with no regard for the citizen.

And I am still waiting for the answer to my question, Mr. Flock. It is a question you could have answered months ago.

 
At June 24, 2013 at 2:14 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

10:05 Please post your question?

 
At June 24, 2013 at 6:16 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

This is 10:05. I actually already said what my question was, but I guess it was pretty hidden in there. Without going into all the details, I wanted/want to know if I was treated differently than six other citizens on a particular day over a particular issue. I think I was abused once again by the city workers, and the answer to one simple question can answer that. Flock did get the information that I want, but then said that Gurley told him that he could not tell me. Well, yes, he can. It is not violating any of the rules or laws, it is just protecting the city workers, and Flock is going along with it. So I am still waiting for Flock to give me the information that he should have given me months ago. It's a very simple question...was I treated differently than the other six people, or not? (I'm assuming that I was or I would already have had my answer.)

To look at the bigger picture for a minute -- I am begging everyone to go to the poles in November and vote for John Murphy. I cannot think of anyone who is more qualified. He has business experience, he takes his time to really study every issue, and he has a clear, level head. His common sense is something that is sorely missing in this entire city, and with his down-to-earth attitude, he will be approachable to everyone. In fact, he already is, and I, among many others, already go to him with our problems. Please lets get him into office. We would not be in the mess we are in in this city if he had been in office. McMahon and Hada, etc. would never have gotten away with all the millions they lost us with this AMP disaster, for just one example. I know he fought it tooth and nail as much as he could as a private citizen, and I am confident that he would have explained to the citizens during the meetings how bad of a deal that was, and I believe the citizens would have fought with him to stop it if he needed their backup.

And where is Richard? Richard was a man who was thinking some time ago about running for Ward 1, Flock's ward. He was someone who really impressed me, and I would like to see him in office in this city. Whether at-large or for a certain ward, I would really like to see him in office in this city. Richard, are you out there?

 
At June 25, 2013 at 5:28 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

10:05 Please explain what you consider 'abused'? Was it physical, vocal or just they didn't see it your way?
As far as the law director telling a councilman not to comment that may just be good legal advice?
You don't want to get into details so I guess myself and anybody else is flying blind here?
One simple question can answer that?
Please a little more help.

 
At June 25, 2013 at 2:52 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Term 5:28, this is 10:05. You are going to have to play the rest of your usual, predictable, stupid game all by yourself.

 
At June 26, 2013 at 5:33 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

10:05 Sorry 10:05 I seem to have lost my contact with the NSA. Mr. Snowden is presently hard to reach?
Look You and everyone else claim's confidentially? I guess myself and no one else can help you. I guess you must remain miserable and quiet?
You could always go to a council meeting and tell your story?

 
At June 26, 2013 at 5:40 PM , Anonymous Karnack said...

What's wrong Term you don't have a crystal ball? 10:05 wants answers without a question?

 
At June 27, 2013 at 5:36 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

5:40...You're probably a nice person just trying to stick up for
Term. But please, read my posts again. I stated my question several times. See it? See it again...and again? It's there -- just like Ragu -- it's in there. Instead of following Term blindly, you should probably think for yourself. Once again, I cannot reason with an unreasonable person (Term). And I wasn't asking you or him for an answer. I stated clearly that I wanted the answer from Flock, and that is my gripe in the post. When someone says anything about Flock (and a couple of other issues), Term gets so out of control that he makes no sense, and I don't normally waste my time on someone who acts so ridiculously; and I could have no respect for anyone who behaves in the manner that he behaves. It's just stupid, as I have already said.

He said in his main post that he asked Flock a question about the city, and Flock said he couldn't divulge the information. Funny, since any information about the city belongs to the citizens. Flock also has information that I need, but has chosen not to divulge that information either. And I clearly explained all my objections to that. Maybe Term doesn't mind him keeping public information private, but I do. So again, I stated very clearly what my question was, and it is quite obvious that I was not asking you or Term the answer to that question.

 
At June 27, 2013 at 7:22 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

5:36 Listen up now Ragu. The only thing hinted in you comment I believe has something to do with a Bill?
The only one trying to follow anyone blindly is me trying to figure out what your problem is.
Confidentially means just that. Have you informed Mr. Flock to discuss this with me? No. I am sure no resident want council people to talk to anyone about something even you admit to it being confidential?
The only thing I get out of control about is people
such as yourself expecting others to do what they should be doing.
Look get off your rear-end and explain yourself at a council meeting. Can't make it? Have a family member or a friend represent you at a meeting.
Your such a fan of John Murphy see if he would represent you?
Yes I respect Andy for keeping this private, As far as city business .If it was discussed in Executive Session it isn't public information.
Complain about me all you want, what are you accomplishing?
Go to a council meeting and get an answer.
I'm not sending you Bills or asking for taxes!




 
At June 27, 2013 at 7:54 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Again, I wanted to know if I was treated differently than six other residents on the same day. Period. No FBI secret, just Flock not giving me information that I should have. That was my complaint. And you say I'm expecting other people to be doing what I should be doing? Afraid not. He's my council person. It's his job. I went through the proper channels, but the Flock channel seems to be broken. My complaint was about Flock, and it still is. Period. And I didn't ask you for anything. I didn't say you sent me a bill, and I didn't say I wanted you to do anything about anything. And I clearly said AGAIN in my LAST post that I was not asking you or your friend for anything. Nothing. Wasn't asking for any answer to any question from you. Was not asking for your opinion. Nothing. Your whole insane carrying-on was for NOTHING.

And just because I endorse someone for council does not mean that Flock, therefore, does not have to do his job. THAT doesn't have anything to do with anything EITHER.

Signed, Ragu

 
At June 27, 2013 at 8:13 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

Ragu, go outside take a deep breath of AIR, then make plans to attend the next council meeting. My advise stands.
Now I'm confused was your problem with the city or Flock?
If I was him I would get caller I.D.
Oh and Ragu you came here I didn't go there?
It's fun to correspond with you. Believe it or not I do like you.
I hope you get your answer.
Out of respect for people who have to deal with your logic.

 
At June 27, 2013 at 5:28 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Okay, that's all the dumbness I can handle at this time; I am out of this "discussion."

 
At June 28, 2013 at 5:29 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

Si, Senorita!

 

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