" THESE LYIN ' EYES"
City Council meeting 04/02/09 Ordinances for Downtown Master Plan and Electronic Signs past. Resolution Final agreement with ODOT on repaving Mentor Ave. all passed with everyone voting "Yes".
City resident asked city manager if there was a problem with the people in Millstone getting therer money and goimg on with their lives bringing up a News-Herald article. The city manager stated all will be resolved within a month and the city will have the deed to the 16 acres of land. Ms. McMahon your on the clock.
Councilnan Werner showed some pictures of different ordinances being broken around town.
Councilman Becks brought up the fact she would be against the city rezoning the property at Chester and Chardon St. Also that the downtown hotel should be torn down.
Councilman Flock brought up safety concerns with the Cobblestone Apt. as to who were first responders if there was an emergency at the apts. Mr. Flock asked for letter on who would be first responder. Cobblestone seems to be in no-mans land. The city manager stated Mentor would not agree to it because they were not happy with Painesville developing Diamond Center. Grand River was having trouble staffing its station.
Right now let state that I don't think anyone cares about Mentor and Painesvilles "turf" wars only what happens if an 18 month old child is choking on something, or a 72 year old man goes into cardic arrest?
From my seat it seemed either the city manager didn't understand the concept between first responer, and mutual aid. Please prove to the councilman there an agreement or will we need a tragedy to find out.
A correction in this post I was under the impression that Councilman Flock had received the letters from the city manager concerning the other fire departments . Someone else at the meeting stated that was what the disagreement was about. The city manager stated she had sent all the information to Councilman Flock he stated he hadn't received any correspondance from her.
posted by terminator1 @ 8:17 PM
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How long would it take for a fire truck to get to the apartments? The only way there is Rt.2? 10 minutes on a good day?
CM is right about Mentor, you want to know where a lot of that "lawyer" money went? It went to defend Painesville against the lawsuit Mentor brought against us because if we connect Diamond center by road it would cause "too much traffic" on Heisley. Wasn't it amazing that Mentor kept our possible land development locked up in court until finally Wal mart agreed to build on Mentor land, then "poof" lawsuit dropped.
Becks wants the Hotel torn down, great, did any of you whiners ask her where that money will come from?, or is she immune to your complaints becauses she babbles on about meaningless stuff.
Mcmahon on the clock?, jeez, get real, the timing on that whole thing is all determined by our wonderful court system and she abides by the directives just like everyone else. Why is she on the clock?, because she actually responded to a question?, now you know why they won't answer most of you.
That land was stolen from Painesville Township in the first place. Looking at the present problem, Mentor had more right to it then Painesville. The Township probably looks on and laughs. The question do these resident have the right safety forces in place?
The city manager stated we will have the deed within a month? Maybe someone should tell her how the courts work.
G.E.
Its about time someone mentioned Ms. Becks, and some of her ideas she has a one track mind. Tear down this don't build that. Why doesn't anyone call her out? There all afraid of being called a racist. So everyone puts up with her ramblings.
"Councilnan Werner showed some pictures of different ordinances being broken around town."
Is he a cop or an inspector or a councilman? Maybe he should do HIS job and let others do theirs. You complain about selective enforcement but when a councilman you like requests SPECIFIC enforcement you commend him for it. You are a hypocrite. He can't just go out there an target whomever he wants. That is not his job. Just knowing who he is and what he is about, this question comes to mind: The violators of these ordinances - Does he have a beef with them or similarly, Are they hispanic?
"Ms. McMahon [your] on the clock."
If she does it are you going to sing her praises? Somehow I think this "placing her on the clock" thing will either fade away as if it was never said if she does it or it will turn into your biggest talking point if she doesn't. We will see your bias on this one.
Notice I said "your" bias as in the bias you possess not "you're" bias as in "you are bias", which I believe is the contraction you were attempting to write in "your" post.
I wonder how difficult it would be to connect Diamond Center Dr. / Brookstone Blvd to Jackson St or some other nearby road. It seems like there are already service roads running nearly all the way to 44.
Also, Passed and Past are not the same.
I wasn't praising Councilman Werner about thhe pictures, only that he brought them to the meeting. He didn't even give locations at the meeting.
I once had a boss who would ask me how long a fask would take. and he would always end it with, "O.K. your on the clock" no insult was intended by that statement, and I will sing her praises if its settled in a month that would be great for everyone.
Ms. Becks will not get a free pass here. I post what I get, and right now I disagree with her on the Hotel, and the vacant land on Chester St.
Anonymous complaining about Werner, are you saying that it is ok for these infractions if they are done by an hispanic? It doesn't matter who this violation is against, it is a violation, and should not be repressed just because it is hispanic. I just can't take this double standard any more. I have to obey ordinances, why don't they?
Thank you Hal Werner for trying to help the city enforce some of the ordinances. I hope some of those pictures were from my street. If more of council did things like this, maybe we would be able to clean the city up a little. I don't care whether the people who live in those houses are hispanic, black, white.... They are still required to obey the ordinances just like I am. As far as I'm concerned, it is Hal's job to help enforce the ordinances. If the city employees are not doing their job then he should step up and make the rest of council and the City Manager aware of it. After all who is the City Manger's boss. I believe it is City Council.
No they ment that the pictures were only of hispanic's, we all know how Hal feels about them,
It is a good thing someone does not bring copys of old criminal court records,to a mtg.
How much money has Painesville poured into Diamond Business Park in the last 14 years? Lawsuits, Studies, electric, water, sewer lines? Whats been our return on this investment? Yes we stole something that has turned out to be more of a burden than its worth.
Heard a rumor today one of council's old warriors may be ready to get a seat on council.
"Anonymous complaining about Werner, are you saying that it is ok for these infractions if they are done by an hispanic? It doesn't matter who this violation is against, it is a violation, and should not be repressed just because it is hispanic. I just can't take this double standard any more. I have to obey ordinances, why don't they?"
Oh learn how to read. That is not what I meant and you know it. We all know he targets hispanics. Nobody is given special leeway based on race but some people are persecuted based on race and posters on this blog and werner do just that.
"As far as I'm concerned, it is Hal's job to help enforce the ordinances. If the city employees are not doing their job then he should step up and make the rest of council and the City Manager aware of it. After all who is the City Manger's boss. I believe it is City Council."
No this is not his job. You are probably one who complained about selective enforcement before. Council people cannot target whomever they like. THey should not be given any special authority in this avenue than a normal citizen. You need a lesson in city government and separation of powers. If he has a problem he can call the police or inspectors and ask them to do something about it. He can't use his status to push around the cops or anyone else. If anyone else put their personal agenda up like this you would crucify them. You are so fake. Sure council is the boss of the city manager. But there is a separation of powers and her power to enforce is delegated to those who actually carry it out, i.e. the cops or the inspectors. Give me a break.
Nothing was stolen and it was an investment that will pay off. Go ahead and spout off about it but I would love it if you posted your name so we could all watch you eat your words later. You sure have your bias against the city that certainly twists any perception of reality you claim to have.
Could anyone explain why there is so much bad blood between Mentor and Painesville?
anonymous, yes I can read very well, thank you. And I don't know nor care if those photos are of hispanics, the fact is that they are a violation of ordinances and should be cited. The hispanic population has an inordinate number of these violations so naturally more photos would be of them. Why don't you bring some non hispanic violator photos in. I wouldn't complain. A violation is a violation.
If you didn't own something and the government body that had rightful possession wanted to keep it sorry you stole it. They changed state law over Painesvilles actions. We will end up calling it Rita's bottomless pit. Investments are purchased.
Its not bias, its watching afew run a great city into the ground.
G.E.
RE: Cobblestone and FD response times...If you guys really want to know how long it will take a fire truck or ambulance to get to Cobblestone, call the fire station and ask to speak with the chief. They keep track of their times and can probably look it up for you.
RE: Werner...I'm not wild about how he handles many issues, but at least he's doing SOMETHING and you can tell he actually drives around his ward and looks at things! That's more than I can say for Horvath, who was on auto-pilot for his last term (both in council meetings and in how he handled dealing with calls from his constituents).
Oh, and for the record, I didn't like either of them. I voted for Brad Deane.
"No this is not his job."
You are right, it is not his job to enforce the ordinances. I said "help enforce". You may have misunderstood what I was trying to say. Let me explain. Based on some pictures that Hal took, and from walking down my street and driving around the city, it is obvious that the inspector you spoke about is not doing his job. The inspector's supervisor must also not be doing their job. This continues on up to the City Manager. At this point it becomes City Council's responsibility to make sure that something is done about it. I believe Hal was just using the photos as examples. Without examples you really don't have anything to talk about.
Inspector, Inspector's supervisor, ......., City Manager, Council, please make sure these ordinances are enforced and make our city great. Thank you.
All I ever hear is what an overworked fire Dept we have most calls at one station ect. So what does the manager and the chief do? Spread them even thinner. This is total mismanagement.
Mr.Rellik
Term,
Don't know if you want this here or not ?
Just thought you should check out some new places opening in Painesville.
Yvonne's Sweet Shop on N.St Clair St. down by the Post Office (they are open)
A new Computer Service Co.
opening on S.State St. by Latamore St.
A new Cell Phone Store opening on Main St. by the Flower Shop.
If you didn't own something and the government body that had rightful possession wanted to keep it sorry you stole it.
Is this your legal determination? Are you an attorney? Because then your opinion might carry some weight.
Ok so then define "annex"
And they did not pass a law to keep people from annexing property in the future. If we got a good deal then what are you complaining about? Do you not live in the city?
"but at least he's doing SOMETHING"
But if he is trying go beyond his rightful powers as a councilman then he is abusing the position and should be removed.
He can use examples without getting so specific it amounts to selective/targeted enforcement. The appearance of impropreity has been established and should be corrected so residents don't have to fear vigilante council people. He should have checked the job description before running for office.
"So what does the manager and the chief do? Spread them even thinner."
I am afraid I don't know what you are referring to. Can you please clarify what they did?
Why the bad blood? Two words Rita McMahon she was employed by them.
How can Painesville justify being first responder to Cobblestone {past Home Depot, Gander Mountain]. Emergency vehicles have to use the freeway?
What if you needed a Policeman in a hurry? Would Mentor respond?
Whether he acted as a councilman or as a citizen of Painesville he is well within his rights. I am a citizen and I can drive around taking pictures of violations. and what does anyone have to fear if they are following the laws or ordinances. Only violators have anything to fear, and in Painesville they don't have much to fear about anything.
There's alot more people who feel the same as Hal, and are tired of the citys hands off treatment. Some people are in for a surprise in November.
Surprise in November?, Ha, this site is really only a handful of people and the bulk of this city is landlords who don't want to be bothered, white and black trash who like the hands off policies, and uneducated who think pictures of potholes is what we elect council for.
This city will never change because even if you ever have someone run for council who can understand planning and work for the future of this city that person won't be elected because everyone thinks council should be taking pictures of potholes.
Most of the people posting here have no idea how to create jobs, no idea why retail stores won't move into this city, no understanding why so much low income residents is bad.
Just keep electing the Hal s, Andys, and Arlenes, they will make sure the 50% of Painesville residents on low income government assitance are happy.
Keep electing the Joe's, Pauls, and Abbys and the rest of the people posting here will be happy that they have something to whine about.
I know a bunch of great possible candidates and none will run because the majority of the people in this city don't really want a change and it would be a waste of time and reputation.
There is nothing wrong with a councilman taking pictures of violations. The code enforcement division is a joke. My neighbor would call all the time on the most borderline violations, and I would have to respond to the City. I sent about a dozen photos to the same inspector of my neighbor's clear violations of codes (garbage piled up in backyard, dilapidated fencing, building falling down), and they did nothing. But if I happened to have a small pile of leaves, I had to remove them (unless I watered it and turned it, thus making it compost). The code enforcement is a joke!
Maybe instead of taking pictures of violations, they should fire the inspectors that clearly are not doing their jobs.
In my many years I have come to a conclusion that 1 usless man is a shame, 3 a Law Firm, and 7 or more a Council.
USELESS!
"This city will never change because even if you ever have someone run for council who can understand planning and work for the future of this city that person won't be elected because everyone thinks council should be taking pictures of potholes"
Seems to me if a city truly knew how to "plan" the streets would not be in such terrible repair.
After all what is city management about? Streets, sidewalks, trash pick up, water removal and trash removal. Seems they have a bit of trouble on all these accounts.
It certainly makes one question about if those running the city are competent.
Anonymous, I too have the same type of experience with the inspectors. If I call and complain about a major violation, they then come to my house and spend a lot of time going over everything with a magnifying glass to find anything they can cite me for, but they don't even check out the neighbor with the real violations. At least that is what the one female inspector does. I am sick and tired of this.
I call the inspectors on people all of the time not one time have they ever asked for my name, so you are full of it.
Just so everyone knows building inspectors[3] in the City of Painesville make;
18.5717
29.4964
21.4990
per hr. plus benefits. This is before the last pay hike.
Mr.Rellik
anonymous, you must be the exception to the rule, because I am not full of it and neither are many people in my study group who have the exact same problem. So count yourself lucky!
No I'm not lucky you do not have to tell them your name or where you live, to report violations, so you and your study group (or do you mean your studyhall)
have a problem ???????
What do you expect from this poorly underpaid amd overworked group?
Anonymous, you act like you know it all, but you do not know all the workings. It is selective enforcement and you seem to be a privileged one. You may be on council or other such prefered group, but your snide remarks about me and my group are uncalled for. that type of rhetoric is when someone has nothing intelligent to go on.
What Painesville administrator was seen leaving Giant Eagle Supermarket with his dry cleaning around 10:15 this morning? Must be a perk that goes with the job, right Big Bob?
Selective group,
How could there be selective enforcement, if they do not know who is calling, get real, you cry to much, and you must break a lot of rules, and I bet you got busted without a permit.
"I call the inspectors on people all of the time not one time have they ever asked for my name, so you are full of it."
Last year I called the city about the violations on my street, about 50 in total. They asked for my name and address and about 3 days later I got cited for 2 different violations. I don't have a problem with getting cited myself and I fixed the violations with my house. What does make me MAD though is that of the 50 violations I pointed out only about 5 have been fixed. That doesn't seem right.
Was he driving Moms Jag, or one of Ritas wheels?
Please tell me he wasn't buying and soup broth?
Dude, We know who you are with the 50 problems and they came down on you, got to have them big numbers, how do you like the
"For rent sign" at the end of your street, the one in Spanish ? got to love it.
thank you www. That is exactly what I am talking about. Even if you don't give a name, I think they must go the extra effort to look at the houses near the offense to see who might have called. All I know is, they (she) doesn't follow up on the original complaint, but lo and behold, she has time to check out everything else in the area.
The inspectors know if the word gets out that if you complain, They are going to check the complaintant out. Pretty soon all your doingqu for $46,000 is sitting around city hall anding to the confusion. Plus these inspectors have a certain fear of Hispanic people. Wonder why?
by punishing the one who reports an infraction, it spreads the word not to report violations. Thus it reduces the amount of the inspectors work load. Cause and effect. The female inspector should be fired. Start there.
Where, and what right do you have to post peoples wages? Maybe a call from a Lawyer would get my point across?
There are two female inspectors..which one???? One does residential and the other does businesses...
residential
Not true,
one is a building Inspector and the other is code enforcement.
Get it right before you want to fire anyone, and why fire one anyway ?
Whatever you want to call the position, the female that comes out when you make a violation complaint on a residence in north Painesville is the one that we are talking about.
I think government employee salaries are public record. BUT what kind of a number is 18.5717?
Is that an hourly rate? If it is what's with the extra 17 on the end?
Is that $185,717 and someone is bad with decimals?
I have never seen a number like this as a rate of pay.
We should fire all of them, they allowed a wild life park on Stage Ave., they should not let this go on, they should know everything, about everyone.
What do you want to bet they get in more trouble for having 10 illegal animals in their house, then if they had 10 illegal people?
This town should be called illegalville, people, animals,drugs, weapons, we got it all. The laughing stock of Northeast Ohio.
How do you know there illegal? Your not allowed to ask or profile. We'll have P.E.T.A. swarming the city calling us a bunch of hateful animal racists.
Rin Tin Tin
Will someone explain its a good thing to have "Diversity" with all the animals in the world. They came to Painesville looking for work in some kind of animal show. There doing pet tricks that our own animals don't want to do anymore. Look at the pleasure this incident most have given someone in Mentor when they opened their paper this morning. Look darling they had a zoo in Painesville no one knew about.
The city seems to take its hourly wags out 4 decimal points, thats what you get when you hire big city mouthpieces.
ASK JOE HADA ARLENE BECKS ABBY DELAMOTTE IF HEISLEY PARK IS A GOOD IDEA FOR BUILDING. at the council meeting APR 20 2009 ABBY WAS NOT PRESENT HOWEVER HADA AND BECK,S WAS BUT no support or comment,s FOR THE RESIDENT,S WHY??? I CANNOT BELEIVE THIS IS HAPPENING TO OUR RESIDENT,S and they want to be RE-ELECTED give us a break.. 6-month,s till change. [BE PATIENT..
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