"STAKEHOLDERS MEETING"
Attended Stakeholders Meeting at Painesville Senior Center Wednesday night for a presentation by City Architecture on a plan for Downtown Painesvilles future.
I was expecting "WOW" but instead it seemed those in Attendence were more "HUM". The project divides the downtown into 5 District. You can view these site plans on the Painesville City web site. It seems to be a "doable" plan. 350 homesites, 90,000 ft. of commercial buildings. 100,000 ft of new office space, All this between Erie St. on the north, High St. on the south, and the River to the east, Harvey High to the west. Who will make this investment? What will the hospital leaving do to people coming to downtown? Many more questions than answers. What do you think?
posted by terminator1 @ 1:00 PM
24 Comments
24 Comments:
Wonder who's going to supply the "COMING SOON" signs? Just think of all the good the city might have done with $86,000.00.
Alot of hard work and thought went into this proposal and you just tear it apart. Why? better yet move out, your negativity is not needed.
Sorry, I called it shareholders instead of stakeholders. Its been corrected. I really didn't feel I was negative? sorry.
Great now everyone sat around and watched this presentation. Did any of you ask about the cost? Developers interested in project? Or did we just sit around with a wish book? You people better get real.Who's going to pay to tear the hospital down? Where is all the public money coming from? I have to agree there are a lot more questions then answers.
G.E.
The main reason the hospital is moving is to get away from poor and illegal patients period....
Whos going to shop downtown Painesville? It has the lowest income in the county, keep dreaming
i'm glad we have a plan. i know from first hand experience you can't build with out plans. then once you got into the job you wished you had planned more.
i am just glad we are planning for progress and not rebuilding after a disaster like some towns have to endure. we saw some of that with the flood.
i watched a little of the old st. clair st. school come down today. my kids went to state st. so some old memories will get torn down for me there. i hope something great will go in there to replace the old schools.
maddog
The above individual should read the medical creed regarding indigant and non-insured individuals. It is posted at all hospitals. That is not the reason they are leaving at all. Healing has now become advanced in that it now takes into greater consideration that the environment that a patient is in (beauty/nature/serentity/etc) has a tremendous effect on the patients state of mind towards recovery. As the mind controls all, if the environment is cold/blank, so shall be the mind process to get you through whatever medical situation/trauma that you are experiencing. Long gone are the days of the gray/bleak environments of hospitals that looked more like forever instituitions. Usher-in sunshine to your room when it is shining,flowers/plants/trees/nature
when possible/ the ability to go or be helped to go to areas that resemble real life (as from your windows at home). Picnic tables (surrounded by nature) for family visits; instead of crowded dull colored rooms. Healing colors of the spectrum that encourage a sense of peace and tranquility.
Totally advanced medical record systems that will answer a patients/or families questions in a heartbeat.
Any type of hospital stay is traumatic and a feeling of displacement from your safe home environment. If at home you feed birds, I have seen the birds. If you garden at home, I have seen beautiful gardens. If you have pets at home, I have seen the therapy dogs and yes therapy cats amongst patients.
Medical will always be medical: it has now evolved into the environments that emulate those of the patients. Environments that assist/boost the mind-set towards a positive recovery process. This is being accomplished not only for the patient but for the patient's family.
This being said, how could it be possible for Lake East to accomplish this new environment when all you can see are parking lots/storage units/roof-tops etc.
I congratulate Lake East for realizing that healthcare is not just about body parts. Healthcare is the status of one's mind. A mind that can make or break all healing processes that they work so hard to initiate!!!!!
Is that creed you speak of, also at the Urgent Care Centers also? Or is an insurance card, or cash their creed? Who will worry about the poor,and illegal out on Auburn Road?
The medical profession has a creed to treat all that are injured or seriously ill. This has always been posted at all medical facilities.
If anyone does not have private insurance or gov't medicare/cade - they will always receive the treatment needed and have the right to negotiated progressive billing for their treatment. No one is ever ever turned away for a health-care problem. If perhaps in the negotiated billing process they cannot fulfill their obligation (for what-ever reason) this is where the medical professions end-up absorbing these non-payed services. It has been written so many many times, on financial advisements from Lake East/West/Uh/Cleve Clinic/Hillcrest et al - what $$$ they have aborbed from those that have had treatment and cannot fulfill the final obligation.
There are so many many poor/illegal that do not know that there are many many free clinics that treat normal everyday problems: colds/sore throats/hives/ingrown toenails/bee stings/dental - etc etc. The charges are income based.
Unfortunately these folks go to hospital ER areas for healthcare problems that are not of an emergency nature - and that is where they incure a higher cost and have trouble paying their liability.
You do not go to a Hospital ER when your child has a cold. You go there when your child has a broken limb.
Our ER services are now being used as a primary care physician service - not by anyone who you classify as poor, but by those who are in this country negatively and just know that they can manipulate the healthcare system.
We have seen this opportunistic manipulation many times, and it just needs to stop.
Clinical Supervisor sees this all of the time - and the Hospital is not there to treat what a regular Dr's office or free clinic can accomplish.
How many of you out there go to an ER for a cold/simple Flu symptoms/Ingrown toenails/simple rash/simple nasal drips/vegetation scratches/ etc etc???
Costs are very high - and those that manipulate the system are great contributors to the high costs because thy use the system in an absolutely wrong way.
This is not an ill-will statement. It is just a statement, based on known facts, that the healthcare systems everywhere are being manipulated by so many that have false ID numbers.
As with workers, who provide false ID numbers, the taxes that they should pay are never payed - as are the charges for healthcare never payed because they have chosen to gain false identification that cannot be tracted.
This is just the "tip of the Iceburg/Ice age" that is constantly costing this country and all of the legal citizens who work very hard - a percentage of their wages that have to be contributed (through taxes) for those that choose to skirt the system.
Sorry for what you may think is rambling - read more/investigate more - see the reality as it is. If you cannot do this, stop siding with all of those that constantly try to take advantage of any system within this great country.
We have never ever met nor spoke with any elderly person/couple that tries to take advantage nor short the healthcare systems that take very good care of them.
So, where is the big problem and the resolution???
I think that Painesviille ndeeds to be up graded. The person that did the study for $ 86,000-rally makes our city ideal. Where are these 350 new residents going to work. in the city or our 2 industries. New commeerical buildings, we don't need more vacant buildings, and office space is that going to be government builtings???
The study took $ 86,00 we could put a deposit on the new fire truck.
Our city is speding money as an endless well. We are being taxed enough, enough is enough.
The new 110 bed hospital in Concord is not in my intrest, as trying to get there with the traffic on 44, and 90, is going to be another thing. Think of an emergery during the rush hour, right now its terrible to get from the North side to the South side of 44. We the citizens of Painesville, and sourrounding communities need a hospital, let Concord have theres and we will take care of our own people, come on People lets get together.
Don't you worry about the illegals. They will find their way to Auburn road.
"I have to agree there are a lot more questions th[a]n answers."
I see this accusation on here alot, but isn't an answer only an answer if a question has already been asked? Maybe you should begin by asking the question rather than assuming wrongdoing.
Who assumd wrongdoing? If someone asks who paid for thos survey your negative. Where will the capital come from? No one askede.
Sorry not buying mom, an urgent care center and a emergency room are nowhere near the same thing. The city and the hospital system want you to believe it is but its not. Nice Try!
G.E.
Did you know the Lake Hospital Urgent Care in Madison, can't even draw blood ?
"Did you know the Lake Hospital Urgent Care in Madison, can't even draw blood?"
I don't believe you.
It does not matter whether it is an urgent care center or an emergency room - they cannot turn anyone away in their non-profit status as we have existing today!!
For some reason, urgent care hospital affiliated systems can charge a slightly higher co-pay: This needs to be changed.
As for Rescue Vehicles that are trying to go to Auburn Road during rush hour: Sirens and red lights mean move over!! There is more room to move over going in that direction than coming in the back-way to P'ville (rte 20) and even exiting Rte 2 at the P'ville exit.
Unfortunately the drivers of today are just drivers in their own little world of cell phones/shaving/reading/eating while they drive.
We have witnessed many many that try to out-run emergency vehicles (all kinds) and those folks, because of their selfish speeding ways are the ones that deter something that is so important as Rescue/Fire/Police Services from reaching their destination expediently and safely.
The rules are the rules (oh shame on me: because it is quite apparent that no one in our times thinks that they have to adhere to any rules) MOVE OVER AND STOP FOR ALL EMERGENCY VEHICLES! WHEN ANY TYPE OF POLICING AUTHORITY HAS STOPPED A VEHICLE, YOU ARE TO MOVE OVER AND AWAY FROM THEM. ALL CONSTRUCTION ZONES HAVE A LOWERED SPEED LIMIT. TRY DOING THIS IN CONSIDERATION OF THE WORKERS' SAFETY. "MOST OF ALL, ADHERE TO THE SPEED LIMITS IN SCHOOL ZONES." IN ANY OF THESE SITUATIONS, REGARDLESS OF AGE, THE SAFETY OF THE HUMAN LIFE IS "A-#1: Not anyones need to leave late for work and have to speed to get there on time. Get up in enough time to get there safely. As for your cell phones/eating, etc. Do that on the side of the road and do not create situations (already have been reported and documented)that have become the greatest traffic hazard ever.
As for the Urgent Care in Madison, your statement is totally false.
My family and others have been there; and yes they are qualified to draw blood.
Where in the heck did you drum-up this totally negative connotation????
Maybe you went there without a referral for blood tests. In that situation, they will not do this test. The referral states exactly why this test must be done and exactly what the Doctor is looking for. Can't just walk-in to a medical facility and expect them to honor your wishes.
I took my wife there around 3 weeks ago, they did not know what was wrong with her, we were told to follow up with our doctor to do blood work, they do not do it there, so the post was telling the truth
They can draw blood. I have seen them do it. However it is common with many hospitals to do they lab work else where. The hospital may have been cutting you a break and for them to do it it would probably cost you more. I had a phone to call them and sort this out right now I would. But don't sit there and imply that whatever facility is in Painesville won't be able to draw blood. You are trying to scare people. Did you learn this tactic from Cheney and Rove?
anonymous above, just shut the crap up. You were making sense until your last line and prove you are an irrational democrat who has to blame everything, including an uninformed poster, on the current administration.
My wife and I have great Insurance that would have paid 100 % of any blood work, they told us they do not draw blood there, I the same may happen in other places too, anyway sounds like to me Painesville will not have any facility anyway.
Not to worry, Painesville will always know how to draw blood. Tell me why would you want an urgent care center to draw blood? Your request just made me curious.
Term.
The Doctor wanted us to go to our doctor to draw blood, don't you read your blog. ?
What is wrong with you, we did not ask them to do it.
This is a perfect example why health care costs have skyrocketed. No one has a clue what there doing.
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