Friday, November 24, 2017

" I KNOW YOU WON'T" carrie underwood

I know you don't mean to be, mean to me
'Cause when you want to you can make me feel like we belong
We belong

Well it's that time again Painesville officials getting ready to take another bit from the AMP-
OHIO apple!

Yeah we belong? To what I have no idea!

City has put in the draft 2018 budget $4.5 million for a AMI Meter System (electronic metering) project (hardware; software and administration). The project if approved by Council, will require that the city change the electro-mechanical meters on customer premises and replace them with new digital meters that can be read and shut off/on remotely.

The premise is that the cost of the new systems, which contains a monitoring site contract by AMP_OHIO over a 10 year contract period would be more cost effective than retaining the old meters; meter readers;  great more people playing cards!) reduce office administration time, and  Increasing Utility Revenues?  Wonder how that works? The only way to increase revenue is how? And don't forget we still have water meters to read?

Forget the benefit to the administration how does it benefit US, the people footing the bill?

No this is something they want to slip under the radar without input from users I guess?

Myself I won't trust AMP-OHIO for refuse pick-up. And after the 10 years who will we beholden too?

Terrible house fire on Bank Street yesterday, dog that saved man died.
Sometimes I think this city can't buy a break.

Special thanks Painesville Fire Department


At November 24, 2017 at 3:57 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Two points, who owns the meters and equipment and what charge does Amp-Ohio charge us?

At November 25, 2017 at 7:53 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Just exactly where will the $4.5 M come from?

The rate payers via their monthly bill?

Out of the ridiculously over sized electric department budget surplus that seems to have purchased a lot of new City trucks and equipment lately?

The electric fairy?

Something else?

If they go to some sort of remote reading system, will the people currently doing that task be laid off? After all, there is no work for them so there is no need to pay them to not do that job.

Where is there any benefit to the customers? Will we see a decrease in our monthly bill? If not, why not?

Just a few questions that should be asked and answered.

BTW, welcome back.

At November 25, 2017 at 2:18 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Right. Increased revenues? Has to be by cheating the residents some more -- otherwise, how does that work? I cannot believe that they are going into yet another deal with AMP. I also can't believe that everyone voted in the same people after everything that goes on with this city. How difficult would it have been to get out the old without voting in Hispanics? It seems like Tracy Montgomery would have been good, for one thing. But here we go again with more AMP. Has someone been paid off? Are they promising a kickback to the city on the backs of the residents, like our refuse deals? Again, I can't believe we don't even have one new set of eyes on council, and not one new brain to try to save us.

At November 27, 2017 at 1:29 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

2:18/7:53 No there is no electric fairy, well maybe us citizens? This is so important to hold council responsible on. First I would like transparency on the present relationship with AMP-OHIO if there is one between Monica Irelan. Second why do we need AMP-OHIO to monitor's our electric system and at what cost? In this arrangement who owns what and why?
It is our responsibility to let council realize AMP-OHIO isn't doing this out of the goodness of it's heart.
The citizens of Painesville OWN the electric department, not the city manager or the administration, council and surely not AMP-OHIO. Our relationship over the past 10 years with AMP has cost us easily 5 EXTRA MILLION DOOLLARS IN BAD INVESTMENTS AND POWER DEALS! if AMP deals had been ignored. These are the wrong people to get into bed with. Don't worry about anyone getting laid-off.

At November 27, 2017 at 6:57 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

Advantages of smart meters:
Advantages for Electric Companies
Eliminates manual monthly meter readings
Monitors the electric system much more quickly
Makes it possible to use power resources more efficiently
Provides real-time data that is useful for balancing electric loads while reducing power outages (i.e., blackouts)
Enables dynamic pricing, which raises or lowers the cost of electricity based on demand
Avoids the capital expense of building new power plants
Helps to optimize income with existing resources
Advantages for Users of Electricity
After the electric company has fully installed its advanced metering infrastructure, smart meters offer the following benefits to electricity customers:
Far greater (and more detailed) feedback regarding energy use
Enable consumers to adjust their habits in order to lower electricity bills
Reduces the number of blackouts and system-wide electricity failures
Advantages for the Environment
Prevents the need for new power plants that produce greenhouse gases that substantially creates pollution that creates health risks
Helps curb existing greenhouse gas emissions from existing power plants
Reduces pollution created by vehicles driven by meter readers

At November 28, 2017 at 1:35 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

6:57 Virtues of 'smart meters'? Not the problem.
Fine to buy stock from a broker ...if the broker isn't Bernie Madoff if you get my drift. No power plant will be closed if Painesville spends 4.5 million on smart meters and as far as vehicle pollution Painesville will still contribute with vehicles watering plants around town weak argument.
So should we quit watering flowers around town to cut down on vehicle emissions?

At November 28, 2017 at 2:14 PM , Blogger Jim said...

Spoken like a true "company" person!

I could not have come up with that many advantages to a company if a gun was held to my head but YOU did it.

Now, my question to you is, how many of them are real versus "dreams' to spin the concept??

For example "reduces the number of blackouts".
How would smart meter have anything to do with a black out??
The last time we had a blackout in the 'ville, it was the middle of winter and no meter of any kind would have changed that.

"Enable consumers to adjust their habits in order to lower electricity bills"
They can't do that with current meters?? If not, why not?

Sorry but I don't see a $4.5M advantage to the consumer.

At November 28, 2017 at 4:41 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

6:57...That all sounds like just a bunch of crap. And it will prevent the need for new power plants to be constructed? HUH? No, it won't! This is just another big mess that these bozos are going to get us into. Period.

At November 29, 2017 at 3:41 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

My electric ball has gone up A LOT. One of the "perks" to buying and living in this city was the LOW utilities. Not so much now. So, smart meters will do what? Eliminate reading meters? Great gig for the readers now, Im sure they will be kept around on the payroll "just in case" like the electric plant employees are now. How many electric plant employees have kept their jobs? How many meter readers are there? The city sounds like PCLSchools. When a job/student vacated, they were filtered into the system. PCLS needs to take a lesson from Geneva schools.

At November 29, 2017 at 11:25 AM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

3:41 it's call attrition nothing else.
4:41 not if they know we aren't interested.
2:41 Pretty good answer's to a person who has drank the "Kool Aid" No meter can stop a blackout, agree! As far as power plants we are on the hook for one for the next 35 years.
Just think Downtown Painesville Organization can now promote less vehicle emissions due to the fact you can't purchase needed stuff here!

At November 29, 2017 at 3:43 PM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

@Jim 2:14 & Term 11:25,

7:53 asked: "Where is there any benefit to the customers?" I thought: "Hmmm, good question." And so I googled "benefits of smart meters" and was directed by the first result to the site where the above benefits were listed. They also list disadvantages, but since the poster didn't ask that, and for the sake of brevity, I only copied and pasted what you read. I did not comment as to my opinion about the subject, nor will I now. For the effort of answering someone's question, I'm called a "company man" and someone who has drunk the Kool-Aid. I don't frequent this site much and until now, have never posted on it, preferring to remain in the back ground. I have noticed that rarely is there ever any research behind the dogmatic opinions the two of you are so fond of spewing. Now realizing that there is no possibility of a reasonable discussion, I shall return to my preferred status as an infrequent lurker.
Good day.

At November 30, 2017 at 5:07 AM , Anonymous Anonymous said...

NO, attrition is when retirees/vacancies aren't filled. The power plant kept the workers and placed them in other areas to work. I'd expect the same with the meter readers if their job is finished. PCLS shuffled staff around to keep their positions rather than lay them off when the job ended also.

At November 30, 2017 at 12:16 PM , Anonymous TERM>> said...

5:07/11:25 That was my point, a job for you until you retire and then it isn't filled.
3:43 Sorry it sounded like a company man as well as someone who drank the Kool-Aid! Now what exactly did YOU think of their reasons?

At November 30, 2017 at 12:51 PM , Blogger Jim said...

When you use the work of others, without giving credit, it is called plagiarism. I think you would have to agree that no one would "attack" you had you told us that this was something from a Google search and not what YOU find to be advantages. You are correct, you never commented on whether it is good or bad but, without giving credit for the work you copied, you left the impression that these were your thoughts.

Now, the question is, how much of it do you believe?

Sorry but I don't believe any of the so-called advantages put forth in such "spin" will make it worth $4.5 M to the consumer.
If that makes me dogmatic to you, so be it.

It is unfortunate that you stay hidden in the bushes. Ideas from bright people should be heard. You come across as a little thin skinned if you are offended by someone who disagrees. BTW, disagreement doesn't make one a bad person, it simply means that they have a different view.


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