"ONE IS THE LONELIEST NUMBER" 3 dog night
One is the saddest experience you'll ever know
two can be as sad as one
If I hadn't heard enough already today I remembered that the Painesville City School Board met tonight. It's July what possible could they have of interest on the agenda? Well it's air-conditioned and the chairs are comfortable wonder what's shaking down in the Dillard Room?
Two people in the audience the principal of Auburn Career Center Maggie Lynch , and me.
Ms. Lynch gave her presentation. Approximately 96 Harvey Junior and Senior enrolled at Auburn.
She left after the presentation, that left just me.
As I went through the agenda one item struck me.
Subject 9.11 16-165 MOU for SRO at Heritage MS
Well that was great news, but the board just couldn't pull the trigger. The proposal from the City had just arrived last Wednesday and there were questions? Good ones and the city might have been wise to have someone there to answer these question. Look for the past week all I have heard is Black people don't trust the police? Let me add for some unknown reason many educators don't seem to trust them either? I don't know why, maybe it's just having an outsider in their buildings they don't control? It's there piece of the world. Will have meeting with city soon and SRO was put on the August agenda.
Then later in the meeting;
Subject 11.2 16-167 Set Superintendent Salary
In my entire life I have never witnessed or been apart of salary negotiation's like what I witnessed last night. First off the superintendent never spoke a word and board members started to throw numbers around? 1 and a half percent two and a half percent, what does so a so make? All the time some looking at me , I guess maybe I should have thrown in a number?
Finally and awkwardly they agreed on two percent. All but board member Donley voted yes for the increase. Wonder what she knows the other's don't?
Myself "Ain't got time for that!"
In other news the News-Herald had a story on the parking garage demolition and removal in todays paper. Starting July 25, 2016 and completed by the end of August. Of interest, Trucks hauling debris from the site will travel east on W. Washington St. to S. State St.to Bank St. (at 5-point) and onto Allega Property. Seems like S. State will be moving up on the list of streets!
posted by terminator1 @ 10:54 AM
26 Comments
26 Comments:
Great news!!!
Trucks carrying debris will make the already sinking sewer and/or water lines even worse.
I invite anyone reading this (including the City Fathers) to drive down S State St, south of Walnut St, and tell us that this is a good idea.
The road is collapsing now and these trucks will not improve things at all.
Who the heck came up with this brilliant idea??
Idiots!!
BANK STREET?
That might be the straw to break the camels back. Isn't that bank in jeopardy already? I try to dodge that sinking sewer every morning. It really slows things down when schools on.
I'll explain this to ya: think back to the open meeting where 3 candidates were presented. #1. ended up in trouble (think he went to jail). #2. was the current principal at Harvey #3. became the current superintendent. Candidate 2 was clearly the employee and peoples choice but the board chose #3.Since then there have been a few new board members. Get it now?
4:50 They will only be using Bank St. to the west of State St. ((RT. 84)
5:12 And your point being? Yes and clearly that board wanted #1 didn't think #2 had experience #3 was their choice over people wanting #2. The whole people being involved was just for the visual.
After the board decision I believed we should get and give the new superintendent our full co-operation.
So what were the results?
My point was in answer to your comment post: All but board member Donley voted yes for the increase. Wonder what she knows the other's don't?" (to help explain why she may not have voted for the raise)
9:33 Maybe she see's things the other member's fail to look at?
It takes guts to vote against the majority opinion.
Maybe she actually gets out into the community and talks to enough citizens to know how they feel about the Superintendent.
Did she give a why she said no.
12:25 That's a good point.
2:13 No, but neither did the four that voted yes?
Like I said a very strange negotiation no reason for or against. It seems in today's world making it another year represents a 2% raise?... All but raising the minimum wage now that would amount to economic collapse! Strange way's how economics are viewed.
Saying no diesnt take guts saying why you say no does. Council people love to talk . Whatever It dont matter anyway.
Her no vote makes a statement, she is still in favor of the high school principal and not the current superintendent.
An assistant treasurer? whats that about. I've heard the administration is top heavy all around, guess its true. Reminds me of the early days when Beeler, Fodor, Hanlon, Grund, etc. Just how many people does it take to run this business? In addition after seeing the board minutes with kids being shipped in from other areas? Loudenville? Do you know what that says about the kids being open enrolled here? WoW.
6:47 We had an assistant treasurer that took a job in another district. Have no idea what your talking about? Loudenville?
5:47 Or, maybe she thought a wage wasn't justified. The Treasurer also received a 2% raise, I believe she approved?
7:59
Unless you have served on a Board in some capacity, I can state with 100% certainty that you have no idea what it takes to say "no" when everyone else says "yes".
The really important thing to remember is that it is business, not personal.
"Whatever It dont matter anyway."
Brilliant statement from the cheap seats.
In my opinion, we have a school board of citizens who look at it as a status symbol. Dolney is really the only member who takes a stand and who has knowledge of the district experience in education to boot. The board has failed us and we really need candidates who want to work at getting this thing right. You are right, we are top heavy. He is hiring friends who do a sub part job so they can do his job while we are need of teachers at the school level (front line). Class sizes are growing. The politics involved in our educational system here is ridiculous. Why in the world is there animosity between our superintendent and the police chief? Those are relationships that should be strong, especially with the situation at the middle school. Sheesh! It's time for a change, but he " ain't got time for that!)
11:18 It is a business and not personal.
11:40 Yes Ms. Dolney is for sure the only one who knows the enter workings of the system. It's a shame more citizens don't support her?
There are board members that look it this more than a status symbol. And there are some I guess I just don't understand? Until this system picks up and starts looking at the problem. Look we don't need all those people on Jefferson St. We need classroom teachers. Everybody knows it. Why don't the teachers complain? Well let's say your making $1,500 a week to educate second graders why jeopardies your position? and that's for 200 days a year? No control is all the administration and for the most part the board are looking at.
Animosity between the police chief and the superintendent? Best guess they don't want people in their buildings they don't control. A police officer that will write a report that not censored by the administration. Scary
Plus the PPD seems to have a better operation than the PCLS?
Dolney - Former HHS employee.
Remington -Former HHS employee. Has had children in the district.
Tackett - Has/Had children in the district.
Costell- Has/had children in the district.
Powers - Has/Had children in the district.
Just because one has not worked for PCLS does not mean they do not have the knowledge. Seems most of these people have a vested interest in this business. Just how many of you readers have ran for a position? Thought so.
7:58 Not many and rumor was Ms. Remington was a last minute addition unopposed.
That doesn't speak well of citizen involvement?
Does not mean they do not have the knowledge. Well, how many airplane trips do you make before you are a qualified pilot?
Sadly Ms. Dolney has seen the workings from the inside.
Now this is just my observation, but the administration leads the board around by the nose. The board asks many questions.
What I would encourage the board is to set reasonable goals for say a two year plan. We should be here in 2019. You can get to that goal anyway you choose just get to it. If you fail there is no more talk of contracts and/or wages. It appears for to long the PCLS have been treading water, now is the time for results. No excuses the people that pay for all this are getting restless. There is no reason this school system should be the bottom feeder's of the area. Someone at that front table demand results!
7:58
I notice that your list has three members of the Board who "has/had" children in the District.
IOW, you have no idea.
If they have children in the District, no problem.
However, I have always wondered, back to the days of Mike Cicconetti on the Twp Board, why anyone would want/need to be on the Board unless they have children in school. It always came across as a position to get to some other office.
In the case of our esteemed Judge, it was.
Now you might say that they want to improve the City and the schools. Maybe that is true, maybe not.
IOW, if they are using this as a stepping stone, they really don't care very much.
As Term said the other day, spending other people's money.
6:37 So if I don't have children in the district that would disqualify me from the board? Maybe the Judge was looking towards the future? That said as someone who has known the Judge most of my life I will tell you he has always had political aspirations. As a Muni Judge he has found his niche. As an attorney his expertise saved my a## in a civil suit. He knows his business.
From where I sit some people must have done things positive in the Riverside School District.
Back to PCLS I see NO member using their position as a stepping stone to anywhere. Being a member of that board might be a vote killer?
Term,
It is a vote killer (for them) because, as you point out, they are not very good.
Yes, IMO, not having children in the District should disqualify them. As I recall, you were all over the previous Super because he did not live in the District and his children went elsewhere. Am I not remembering correctly?
You run for the School Board?? LOL Not a chance in the world!
Regarding the current Judge, I am not being critical of him. I know that you have known him forever (as have I) but even 30+ years ago I saw what he was doing. IMO, he had very little interest in the Board other than a way to move forward. It worked for him but I still don't think it is "right".
BTW, getting your A$$ out of trouble does not make him a talent at all. Maybe he was just lucky?
Let's be realistic, if you have a stake in the game, you try to do things differently.
10:54 Well not living in the district means you don't pay the taxes you propose. If I don't have children in the system, maybe I shouldn't have to pay property taxes for the schools?
Not a chance.
First off it was a civil case and saved me lots of money. All I was saying was he was through and very capable as an attorney, just as he has proven as a Judge.
We all have a stake in the game for numerous reasons the ability to sell your home as well as that tax bill that shows up twice a year.
Has/Had meaning their children have graduated from the district. Those members having or had children in the district all are or did very well for themselves. Many are or were stellar students in academics and or sports. Outstanding children, so what difference does it make if they no longer have children in school? They've already walked the walk and on their way to be upstanding citizens. Kudos to all parents that got their children through and survived public education.
8:09 I guess my point was none. I agree completely with you?
Term: I agree. The public meeting to select a superintendent was all for show.
5:47: I heard Dolney was in favor of the HS principal. After the election, I also heard she pledged her support to the new superintendent.
Something must have changed. I don't think she'll be drinking the kool aid.
10:04 After the superintendent job was selected everyone should have supported him. No she doesn't drink the Kool-Aid in my case I received to many different stories. My thinking is the more troops you put in the building, the less generals you need at Jefferson St. Is it working or not?
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