"DOWN ON THE BUYUE"
This week a city resident informed me of his mothers property on E. Prospect St. After a normal rain her and other neighbors backyards turn into swampland. Why? A new development by the name of Asper Commons. One home is near completion with another 11 homes to follow. This is what happens when you let a developer change code, lot size and trys to put 12 houses in a space for maybe 7. Of course if an employee on your company LCDC also sit on Painesville City Council chances are only 2 or 3 council people will vote against this development, hold on! Here comes the greed , sorry I mean houses. Also along with letting this happen other builders will say Painesville, you have set a presidence here we want to do the same thing in another part of the city. Now if you feel I am "craping" on the city about this, after it rains go and look. Then post a comment that if this was your backyard you would be fine with it. While your at it try to figure out where the sidewalks will go?
posted by terminator1 @ 2:06 PM
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29 Comments:
Just a note; I told him to inform the engineering department, Asst. City Manager, and his councilman Paul Hach
Man we have lived there all of our lives and that flooding has been going on for ever it is not a new thing.
Man your right but I dont want the standing water in my yard. It hasnt been going on for ever.
Oh, I'm sorry, just 30 years.
Drainage Issue
Are you saying that the new development drains into the neighbors backyard? The development was designed to not affect surrounding properties. The geologist from Lake County Water & Soils says that for the next few years the water table will be higher than normal because of the big flood.
Prospect St is an old steet and has pre-existing drainage problems caused by - for example - lack of swale maintenance over the years.
In this case, the City is not responsible for correcting the drainage, but would help with the designing a solution.
You can call the City Engineer, 392-5800, or call me, Paul Hach, Ward 4 Councilman, 350-0157 and I'll talk to the City Engineer.
LCDC is a non-profit company and Bob Fountain no longer works for them. The LCDC is giving less priviledged families a chance to buy affordable new housing.
Thanks for answering Paul. If you go look you can see the fill that was put into that development making it higher than the surrounding properties. Could that be adding to the water in those backyards?
Mr. Fountain was an employee of LCDC when the lot sizer changes were approved [smaller] by city council. After this development is completed compare it to Lexington Commons and tell me who's getting more value for there dollars.
Paul we have a drainage problems all over the city, State St. Hine Ave. At the last council meeting a Birchwood Ln. resident in Heisley Park ask for a building moratorium because of a water problems. The city is resposible for storm water I even pay a surcharge on my utility bill every month. Yes water tables are higher but we would only be kidding ourselves if we thought this was the only problem.
Councilman Hach in which case is the city responsible for drainage problems. If not in this case whem?
Hey, Spider
I get billed for
water
sewer
KWH tax
KWH charge
Power cost factor
AND guess what
Storm Water
Who looks like an a** now.
Don't be to hard on spider alot of people aren't aware of all the little things you pay for. On your bill do you ever wonder why they just can't charge you for a KWH of electricity? power cost factor? Its like going into a gas station and seeing gas at 2.22 a gallon plus the "power factor cost". If it was cost per KWH you could easily compare it from month to month. Painesville Power is now on winter rate not summer rate?
Sorry P. Hach:
Your statement holds absolutely no water (pardon the expression).
Before you make any profound statements, we think you should solidify them with your
Dad who has mucho more knowledge than you are showing.
As for the high water table, the flood occurred in 2006, we are quickly approaching the beginning of 2009. If this were the absolute case, every single property in this city and any other community would be absolutely under water. Guess what Paul, this is not the case at all.
It appears that it is time for you to go back to "Education 101" and discover what the truly educated soil/conservation group has proved: or, have a real long one-on-one with Paul H. Sr. He knows and you do not know.
To bad we can't all put $100,000 of fill in our backyard. Right?
G.E.
A neighbor who's not to happy with you.
Help me here what is "Swale"??
city engineers come and go........
we used have a city engineer by the name of Gary Paine who realized one must keep the arteries of a city open and flowing. Gary always managed to get grants for paving streets and made it a priority.
This weekend I replaced the tie rods yet again on my vehicle. The Main Street hill is in terrible shape and has been for two years now.
Now we are cutting back on salt. I watched a
young girl in a van drive down the hill from State Street, bounce off the bridge, spin around and end up in the road to Rec Park. She sat in the vehicle crying. Another driver motioned to her two thumbs up.
The first storm two weeks ago, I met a vehicle coming down the hill sideways. I guess it's going to be a very long winter for anyone traveling east on Main St.
Water problems, salt problems, paving problems ...... it's gonna be a long winter.
Term. you have to be kidding, you don't know what a Swale is.
All this and an 85 million budget.
get a mexican landscaper over there if you want it corrected the easiest and cheapest way.
i would suggest following the yellow brick road and going to see the wizard of ozdriguez...
A swale is a shallow ditch for draining water. I just finished putting one in at my house, and it made a world of a difference, before, any rain water or melting snow would rip the gravel right off my driveway, now the problem is solved.
Just to drop you a note .Went by 458 State St. Monday morning and there were 8 cars or trucks in the driveway. Looks like you lost.
Mr.Rellik
There is also nothing to slow the progression of the water from moving freely. No plants, trees and so forth. The ground has to be a bit higher so that after a good soak it will level with the rest of the area. Ever wonder why they always mound the dirt when they back fill a ditch...got to settle a bit. That's why they fill a hole in the street, black patch it and then come back, because it most likely will settle a bit. I have seen the water there also and will say that I would not be happy, however with a new development there are always problems like this. I am sure that they will not be ignored and the right people will make things happen. I am no engineer but I have filled my fair share of holes and have seen it time and time again. Swale, yeah they work, used them myself. JT
last anonymous, where do you have the swale draining to? Sounds like something we could use at our house, but not sure where I could legally have the swail drain to.
i think it was a big improvement hey got some standing water but they got rid of **** **** stealing from their backyards. i am sure he won't be missed at the block party. i also see rellik crawled out of his hole again, he must have paid his internet bill.
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Mr. Rellik, I did all I thought anyone should do about 458 State St. its in the citys hands now. I lost? I think we all lost.
How can you insult Paul? You obviously don't know what a water table is and what it means when additional water enters the picture through rain or whatever else. The entire city would NOT be underwater. This is 9th grade geology you are missing. Study up before you insult others. Better yet - don't insult others. Neither you nor him deserve it. This is why I get angry at the posters on this site and this is why I think the site loses readers. It even may be why readers continuously fail to get the whole story here.
How can you insult Paul? Just maybe Paul insult some peoples common sense. Nothing is ever the city fault or not watching whats going on with developers. The flood of July 2006 is just now causing problems on Prospect St. Paul shouldn't be insulted he should be ashamed of the way he treats some of the people in his ward. Of course his ward is only 500 ft in any direction of his house, right?
There are now bedrooms in the attic and the basement at 458. Once this snow melts, they may need flotation devices to sleep on in the basement.
I suggest any inquiring mind to check out the following site:
http://www.dnr.state.oh.us/Portals/7/pubs/newsltrs/mwr08/mwroct08.pdf.
This is the official site for the state of Ohio regarding natural resources. Overall, the state's groundwater resources are lower than normal and Lake County's is not radically above average, thus no natural explanation for local flooding.From what I read on the Lake County Water and Soil site, there is some shared responsibility here, by both individual citizens and local government. Unfortunately, I had to dig for the info that I can do on my own, it would seem that we need better public education. Also from what I read, I do not see local officials doing what they can either. Their short-sighted view of neglecting this problem will contribute to lessened property values, which in turn means less property tax paid. Maybe if they would take a long-term view of the situation with their (our) collective wallet in mind, there would be some constructive action taken.
One further note:
Mr. Fountain is no longer listed in any capacity on the LCDC site, so we can quit beating him up for anything this organization does from here on out. If you want to remember what he was connected to in the past, then do so at the next election in his ward.
just now causing problems on prospect? Please. This has been a problem for 30 years. The flood may make it only more frequent.
hire some mexicans to dig a ditch down on prospect st. they can use the money to not be poor and go to english school.
THE BIG 4 COUNCIL POWERS NEED TO DO THEIR RESPONSIVE JOB'S GET' ER' DONE'. Fred..
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