"KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE MONEY" mothley crue
Yes as we spend time on feral cats, Asian carp, what is and is not a family, carriage rides through downtown. Even ice cream competitions with another city,this item has slipped by us.
Recently on October 23, 2013 The Ohio House down in Columbus passed a measure subHB5 that is presently in the Ohio Senate Finance Committee.
Now to refresh you this subHB5 will take away the right of all municipal cities in the State of Ohio to collect their income tax. This Bill is loaded with many items that will affect the operation of Painesville.
When the city asked to send a letter this Bill was HB 601 we never sent one...again.
One item I remember is presently the city receives a check bi- monthly from RITA, if the law passes the city will only receive a checks four times a year. Try controlling your budget then. Along with the loss of close to $30,000. Look it up on the city web site. Council meeting Minutes 01/07/13 01/16/13.
If some of you remember Painesville wanted to send a Resolution to Columbus earlier this year when a certain council woman opposed sending it. Three guesses who that might be. Seems the state Chamber of Commerce wanted this change?
Look maybe losing $30,000 to some of you isn't much but how do you expect this city to operate only getting money four times a year with no knowledge what the amount will be?
Now since it is presently in committee there is a chance that it will come up for vote this month and the Governor signing it into law before the first of the year.
It's time we demand our council people do what they were elected to do,. We don't need another cheerleader or ambassador we need legislators to look out for our pocketbooks, enough already!
posted by terminator1 @ 11:31 AM
15 Comments
15 Comments:
Lori or Katie? My guess is Lori.
For a guy that believes just about nothing the city tells you, you certainly are drinking the coolaid on this one again. Go read the bill, it has nothing to do with controlling who collects the tax and when it is paid to the cities. This is part of the municipalities misinformation campaign.
2:09
drink the Kool-Aid? The city for some reason hasn't mentioned this for almost a year.
Look this Bill will cost cities and Villages in Ohio a loss of $47,000,000
in revenue in 2015?
Please explain that as well as what "casual entrant" means in this Bill that let's certain taypayers to avoid paying city taxes?
Let's look at this another way.
What if the Obama administration claimed the way all states collect state income tax is a mess, now we will change the rules? There would be screams from all over the country. State Rights. Well don't cities have rights? Who is the state to decide these things? It not there tax or business.
Please feel free to explain.
But you shouldn't worry. The council will find anoth cat or chicken issue to keep them occupied.
To amend sections 117.091, 2329.66, 2901.02, 2929.18, 2929.24, 2929.25, 2929.27, 2929.28, 2951.02, 4507.02, 4507.164, 4507.35, 4510.036, 4510.037, 4510.11, 4510.12, 4510.14, 4510.16, 4510.161, 4510.21, 4510.22, 4510.41, 4511.19, 4511.203, 4549.02, 4549.021, and 4549.03 and to enact sections 2746.01, 2746.02, 2746.03, 2746.04, 2746.05, 2746.06, 2746.07, 2746.08, 2746.09, and 4510.111 of the Revised Code to require the Ohio Judicial Conference periodically to adjust the dollar amounts specified in the general exemption statute, to provide consolidated references to Revised Code sections that establish costs and fees, other than attorney fees, in the courts of record of this state, to remove the provision specifying that an investigator appointed by the Auditor of State does not have the power and authority to carry a concealed weapon, to modify the penalties for certain offenses relating to the operation of motor vehicles, and to allow for a certificate of judgment to collect a financial reimbursement sanction in certain cases, the modification of a community control sanction, the substitution of a community control sanction for non-mandatory jail days, and the modification of a community service sentence by substituting a contribution to the local entity that funds the court.
Where's the part about cities collecting taxes? And another thing: Codes should not be written in legal-speak. They should be written as newspapers are - so a 5th grader can read it and understand. A 5th-grader from a district other than Painesville that is. If it's a 5th-grader from Painesville just give up.
Great Kathy, you just gave us HB5
Now go to subHB5, save you some time look up article in Columbus Dispatch, with concerns with sub HB5. Remember sub.
Currently cities have all the rights. Ohio is the ONLY state that has 600 taxable municipalities each with their own separate rules and regulation. Municipal taxation in Ohio has been cited time and again as the largest obstacle to economic growth in Ohio.
The state has all the right to decide how cities should operate, it is the state that grants the cities their charter. Casual entrant is relieve the complexity of requiring workers who work less than 20 days in a given municipality from being subject to that entities taxes. Think a plumber employed by a company with say 5 employees. That business is located in Mentor and they are paying 2%, if that plumber works 12 days out of the year on jobs in Painesville, he currently would be required to pay Painesville's tax. Take that one city times the number of different cities a plumber may work in during a year ( not unusual to see them work in 50-60 different cities in a year). It is a nightmare to administrate and an extremely inefficient system. The 20 day rule in HB 5 will allow a worker to work up to 20 days in a given city before being subject to that cities taxes. Keep in mind that plumber is still going to pay taxes to Mentor for any hours not allocated elsewhere.
Ahhhh! Substitute house bill! See-way too confusing. I'll read it later, when the snow is a foot deep. Sorry Term. Just did a speed read and I see it has a lot to do with annexations too.
Miss. Sak. I know several fifth graders in Painesville city schools that can read all and understand them. Your remark is very cruel and shows your stupidly ... Shame on yor
8:09 Cherry pick alittle?
Let's answer your first remark.
Joe the Plumber Inc. business location in Concord Twp. He has 5 plumbers in his employment. Everytime he gets a repair job from Painesville he sends a different employee.So in reality he could do 99 jobs in Painesville without paying Painesville income tax. Great the money was earned where? Say each job he payed the employee $150.00 thats almost $15,000 @2% that costs the city $300.00. Where if the business was in the city or another city that tax would have to be paid where the work was done.
I simplified this as much as I could but what if this was a a large corporation? oh the tricks would be aplenty.
Tell the State worry about the state they have screwed the cities enough.
12:18 Kathy, You asked for it.
Sorry Term your scenario is incorrect. Joe the plumbers company would be subject to the Painesville income tax on its company profits if worked more than 20 days during the year in Painesville. An individual employee would not be subject to the city withholding until he exceeded 20 days of working in the city.
Go talk to any accountant or payroll person you can find that has had to deal with people or companies working in multiple Ohio cities and they will tell you the same thing.
12:52 either way Painesville loses income tax under this Bill. You earned it here you pay it here.
No one dragged anyone here to make a buck.
12:52 What are you worried about?
Council won't do anything anyway. As well as the Senate is controlled by Republicans. With a Republican Governor. CHILL
I know better to think I could stop it only to inform.
Anonymous 12:18 - Cruel and stupid? Oh please give me a break. It was funny and you know it. Hey, at least I put my nme to what I say instead of hiding behind anonymous.
Ms Sak says items "should be written as newspapers are". Lets not hope written as the News Herald paper is. There are so many typo's, errors and wrong information. You should be careful what you wish for. And your slam on children was very insensitive. Since you are a city resident, and a very critical one, what schools did you and your family attend?
8:07 Yeah the News-Herald only covers what certain administrators let them. Along with charging you 75 cents for what?
I give Kathy credit for at least putting a name on comments, I agree with or not. Now you want questions answered from her yet you stay anonymous?
This with the knowledge she lives here and pays taxes and wonders if she's getting her money's worth?
Problem is over the past 20 or more years this city lacked enough critics.
Look how many outsider's would send their children to PCLS and how many send their children outside the district? presently.
As far as the blog.no one forces you here right.
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